Purpose of S-400 and Rafale is to hit Pakistani aircraft inside Pakistani air space

[Tornado23]

I wanna laugh at the Brahmos comment,but I also wanna ask the Pakistanis
"Hey,how ARE you gonna shoot them down,he's right.You haven't bought a long range system yet,this whole thing's been going on for decades!"

Ly80 are capable of intercepting it at 12km+

 

[Suriya]

Ly80 are capable of intercepting it at 12km+

There will be barrage of Brahmos missiles in hundreds. How many Ly80s Pakistan got?

 

[Windjammer]

Smashed us by dropping bombs in the jungle half of which didn't even explode.

Smashed us by returning our pilot who had crossed miles into ur controlled territory after 3 days and in brand new suit.

Smashed us by firing 4 costly AMRAAMs at DMax range to avoid Su30 interception which didn't of course didn't hit Su30s at such long range.
PAF f16s shd have waited to for the Su30 to come closer before firing their AMMRAAM but I guess they paniced too early.


Most hilarious part was PAF couldn't locate Indian Mig21 before it was 20 Kms into Pakistan airspace. You know when the missile struck the Mig21, it was hit on the tail portion indicating that he was on his way out when he got shot down, still the mig21 wreckage fall 20km inside Azad kashmir, imagine the distance mig21 had entered into Azad kashmir.

As i said there should be an age limit of who can join or post on PDF but idiocy doesn't come alone hence you are no exception......all day long you are posting nonsense here because you creatures don't have any voice anywhere so PDF is your first contact with any civilisation thus you can't contain your selves.
Do you know, your Agni Pankh Patils were first claiming that IAF didn't lose any aircraft....and when Nando was shown getting treatment on PTV, you losers changed the story that his MiG-21 malfunctioned during flight and he had to eject but his parachute drifted into Pakistan but the idiots were left gobsmacked when someone questioned how did his several Ton MiG wreckage also ended up in Pakistan.
And genius where did you see as where did the missile struck the MiG.......the Tea slurping chap wasn't even aware of his location asking people on the ground if this was India....and losing his official uniform and equipment for a civilian suit was indeed a major achievement by Indian standards.
As for rest of your garbage, just look at these miserable defeated faces.....one of the largest air forces crying and complaining and showing the word how the IAF got raped.

 

[Tornado23]

There will be barrage of Brahmos missiles in hundreds. How many Ly80s Pakistan got?

How many we have? Hundreds

 

[Windjammer]

There will be barrage of Brahmos missiles in hundreds. How many Ly80s Pakistan got?

Hundreds...

Just make sure no Indian helicopters are airborne at the time.

 

[TNT]

I am surprised he didn't use the word game changer lolz.

 

[SIPRA]

There will be barrage of Brahmos missiles in hundreds. How many Ly80s Pakistan got?

How about barrage of a Million???

 

[White and Green with M/S]

There will be barrage of Brahmos missiles in hundreds. How many Ly80s Pakistan got?

Ànd in return Pakistan fired hundreds of Babar/ RAAD HYPERPOWER OF THE UNIVERSE

 

[Foinikas]

Kind of reminds me of the Turkish guy,MMM-E

"India can produce thousands of BRAHMOS missiles to wipe out PAF airbases to pieces of scrap"

and then he would add

"Nobody can match regional power Hindustan"

 

[sunny40]

Its not about technology or something but you have bad tactics and strategies that's why your equipment makes worst

oh, after loosing all wars against india, if you say so, lol

 

[Tornado23]

oh, after loosing all wars against india, if you say so, lol

Except we didnt

 

[sunny40]

Except we didnt

yeah, whole world can see that. and how can we forget your 93000 brave surrender.

 

[Tornado23]

yeah, whole world can see that. and how can we forget your 93000 brave surrender.

Oh you mean the surrender which mostly consisted of civillians rather than actual combatants? How does 34,000 + 833 + 1000 =93,000? It doesnt.


Then again how can one forget this

Or the fact they lost 2/5 of kashmir to an army which is smaller than yours

Or when all 3 assaults were stopped by a much smaller army? Or when your air force got destroyed by a significantly smaller air force

Or the fact you couldnt make any proper gains in west pakistan

Or the fact you havent taken all your peaks back in kargil? What was it? 4 peaks still in our control out of the 8 we took? Tsk tsk.

 

[Pandora]

I question intelligence of every person who thinks a strategic asset like S400 will be deployed at Pak India border. Considering its a static assets Pakistan will pound the living $hit out of it with long range missile. I doubt Indian Planners are as big of morons as some Indians on this forum. Then again this is the same moron who was holed up with Army chief when Pak dropped bombs few kilometers next to them after marking their arse .

 

[Tornado23]

about 93000 surrender -

also there's a proper documents where 93000 were written.i fyou want to see that i can show you also with your army general's signature on it.
and India never attacked any country or tried to captured anyone's territory, this is the first thing.
second your army tired to capture tiger hill but failed miserably.

Full story-

The Marpo La ridge originates from the Pakistani side of the Line of Control and consists of a succession of mountain peaks that overlook the Mashkoh and Dras valleys in the Indian-administered Kashmir. It dominates the entire Dras sector. Point 5353 is a prominent peak on this ridge, overlooking the strategic National Highway 1 of India linking Srinagar to Leh. It is at an aeral distance of 12 km from Dras, which lies on the National Highway 1.

In 1999, Pakistani forces occupied the high peaks that the Indian army had vacated with the onset of the winter in the region and directed artillery fire at the highway, which led to Indian retaliation and the Kargil War.The Indian Army fought to regain control of peaks it had lost to the intruders on its side of the LoC. These included Tiger Hill and Tololing peaks and ridgelines, which posed a more direct threat to the highway. Point 5353 was not cleared during the war. Its status, along with that of the nearby peaks—Points 5165 and 5240—was settled during the negotiations after the end of hostilities.The two sides had then agreed to leave Point 5353 as well Points 5165 and 5240, the heights which surround it on either side on the Marpola ridge, unoccupied, based on the consensus that had been reached during the negotiations. However, the consensus did not survive the immediate post-Kargil period. The Indians reoccupied Point 5240, besides Point 5165, in August 1999, while the Pakistanis, in turn, took control of Point 5353;

For Pakistan, the strategic significance and their purpose for holding onto this feature lie in the fact that it provides them a view of the strategically important Marpo La pass, which India dominates. According to one assessment, without Point 5353, they had been finding it difficult to do so.Even before the Kargil war, the Pakistani military planners had been becoming increasingly concerned about their vulnerabilities in this region, having lost posts on the LoC at Marpo La to India before in the pre-Kargil period.To the south of the feature on the Pakistani side, however, lies a strongly glaciated tract, rendering the terrain inhospitable to the Pakistani army, which as a result has been pushed 5-6 km at the back, along the Shingo river, for building defences. This, as a result, has greatly degraded the tactical usefulness of this feature.

India, in turns, controls Point 5070, a strategically important peak along the Marpo La pass. It lies on the Pakistani side of the LoC, about 10 km west of Point 5353. The rest of the area in this region is glaciated, including what is called the Pariyon Ka Talab (literally meaning, "the pond of fairies").Whereas the Indian supplies are moved along a path hugging the Sando nullah, Pakistani supplies are moved through the Palawar-Bunyal road, which runs along the Shingo river. Their supplies are first off-loaded in nearby villages such as Gultari and Farnshat, then sent to frontline positions including Point 5353.

The Indian deployment on the 18,400 feet (5608 metres) mountain feature in the Kaksar sector along the LoC assumes significance in this context, for this feature overlooks the Shingo river valley in Pakistan. Sitting at this height, the Indian troops can subject the Palawar-Bunyal road to artillery fire at their convenience. Indian troops are also deployed on the adjacent Point 5240, which is another important feature that allows observation of the area.
kargil war Casualties and losses -

Indian official figures 527 killed 1,363 wounded 1 POW 1 fighter jet shot down 1 helicopter shot down

Independent figures 1000–4000 killed Pakistani figures 2,700–4,000 killed (according to Nawaz Sharif) 3,000 killed (PML-N White Paper) 8 POWs Indian claims 1,200 killed (at least 249 dead bodies recovered in Indian territory) 1000+ wounded

i did not talked about 1965 and1947-48 yet.

Regarding the surrender

93,000 Pakistani soldiers did not surrender in 1971 because....?

Dr. Junaid Ahmad| December 16, 1971, was an ominous day for Pakistan, because the Pakistani army’s scattered divisions sandwiched between an internal insurgency supported by Indian war machine and Indian army columns finally decided to surrender. To this day popular imagination and rhetoric is...

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“The total fighting strength available to me [Gen Naizi] was forty-five thousand – 34,000 from the army, plus 11,000 from CAF and West Pakistan civilian police and armed non-combatants”who were fighting against the insurgents. Even if the strength of HL, MLA, depots, training institutes, workshops, factories, nurses and lady doctors, non-combatants like barbers, cooks, shoemakers and sweepers are added, even then the total comes to only 55,000.

Air Marshal Rahim khan, CNC Pakistan Air Force (1969-1972), had stated:

“The number of regular Pakistani troops in East Pakistan never exceeded 33,000-34,000. The rest is just propaganda by India and the Awami League, to magnify their success….”

Air Marshal Zulfiqar Ali Khan, who commended Eastern Wing of Pakistan Air Forces had asserted the same in these words:

“At the maximum, our regular fighting force in East Pakistan in December 1971 stood at 34,000. This figure does not include paramilitary personnel, military police, etc. Even if you include the auxiliaries, the total does not cross 45,000”.

General Akhtar Abdul Rehman. Former Vice Chief of Army Staff, speaking on the 1971 conundrum stated

“It was impossible for the 34,000 Pakistani troops in East Pakistan or for that matter any army in the world to fight against the combined strength of 200,000 Indian army and 170,000 Mukti Bahini, If not more, that too in a hostile environment 1200 miles away from West Pakistan …… Keeping into account all this, if the Indians still feel that they achieved a stunning military victory against Pakistan, I can only say they have fallen prey to their own propaganda”.

US congressman, Charles Wilson (famous for Charlie Wilson’s War) in a discussion with Pakistani diplomats in Washington DC remarked.

“……In 1971, it was certainly not possible for the 35,000 Pakistani troops in Dhaka to fight against the combined strength of 200,000 Indian army and the more than 100,000 Indian-trained Bengali guerillas.”

Another US congressman, Stephen Solarz, commenting on the War of 1971 in June 1989, remarked,

“Pakistanis are energetic, vibrant, and resilient. We must not be misled by 1971. It was certainly not possible for the 40,000 odd Pakistani army in Dhaka to fight against much larger Indian army and Indian-trained Bengali Bahinis in a hostile territory ….”

K C Pant, Indian former Defense Minister in September, 1994 during a discussion on Indo-Pak relations held in New Delhi, said

“Peace is important between Pakistan and India. We respect the professional competence of the Pakistani soldier. Had democracy continued in Pakistan, Islamabad would not have suffered the debacle resulting in the surrender of its 40,000 military personnel to India in East Pakistan”.

Sarmila Bose, the famous Indian Bengali writer and Associate Researcher at Oxford University in her book Dead Reckoning published in 2011, asserts

“…… t appears that while the total figure in Indian custody is about right, to state that 93,000 soldiers were taken prisoner is wrong, and creates confusions by greatly inflating the Pakistani fighting force in East Pakistan”.

Javed Jabbar, former Pakistani Minister of Information in his article, Estranged siblings-Pakistan and Bangladesh, 40 years later, wrote

“Pakistan’s armed forces did not exceed 45,000 troops at optimal levels. The 90,000 prisoners-of-war held by India included over 50,000 non- combatant, unarmed West Pakistani civilians.”

S. M. Hali, a well-known Pakistani analyst in his article, Breaking myths of 1971 Pak-India war writes,

“The total strength of Pakistan Army in East Pakistan (in 1971) was 40,000….”

Regarding kargil

PAKISTAN soldiers perched at peak 5353, on the strategic Marpo La Ridge had a grandstand view of this year's Vijay Diwas celebrations, marking the official end of the Kargil war. At least some of them must had wry smiles on their faces, for although peak 5353 metres is inside the Indian side of the Line of Control (LoC), Pakistani troops held the mountain through the Kargil war and continue to do so today.

Pakistani occupation of point 5353 means Operation Vijay's core objective in Drass, securing the highway, in effect failed. Officials in New Delhi attempt to argue that point 5353 is in an ambiguous location on the Line of Control, and that there are two peaks of the same height which are being confused, claims debunked by copies of the Army's own maps which are in Business Line's possession.

In mid-August, 1999, his efforts to bring about a deal bore fruit. Extended negotiations between the Brigadier and a Pakistani interlocutor, who called himself Colonel Saqlain, led to both sides committing themselves to leave points 5353, 5240, 4251 and 4875 unoccupied.

Both Indian and Pakistani troops were now pulled back to their pre-Kargil position, leaving an arial distance of about a kilometre between the armies along most of the Marpo La ridge. The deal wasn't ideal, for point 5353 was of enormously more strategic importance to India than either 4251 or 4875 were for Pakistan, but it was better than nothing.

Towards the end of October, things began to go horribly wrong. Commander Aul tasked the 16 Grenadiers to take point 5240 and the 1-3 Gurkha Rifles to occupy 5353, choosing to violate the August agreement rather than risk the prospect that Pakistan might reoccupy these positions again. While the 16 Grenadiers attack proceeded as planned, despite bad weather, the 1-3 Gurkha Rifles, for reasons which are still not clear, never made their way up 5353. When Pakistani troops detected the Indian presence on 52 40, they promptly launched a counter assault on 5353. Seven days later, in early November, the Grenadiers unit on 5240 watched Pakistan take up positions on the more important peak.

Pakistan moved rapidly to consolidate its position on 5353. Concrete bunkers came up on the peak, and a road was constructed to the base of the peak from Benazir Post, Pakistan's most important permanent position in the area. In the meanwhile, Commander Aul considered plans to retake the peak. He didn't have much choice. India's positions on 5240 were under threat, along with positions of the 2 Naga in Mushkoh, the 2 Grenadiers in Drass, and the 8 Sikh in Bhimbet. Offensives were discussed in January an d February this year, and again in May and August, but had to be abandoned each time because of the risks involved.

Pakistan still occupies key Drass point

Praveen Swami DRASS, Aug. 10 PAKISTAN soldiers perched at peak 5,353 metres, on the strategic Marpo La Ridge had a grandstand view of this year's Vijay Diwas celebrations, marking the

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What does rk anand say about kargil?

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Also lmao at using wikipedia as your source