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LAHORE: The Punjab government has decided to establish a new gas power plant with 1,200 megawatts production capacity to meet energy needs of the future, provincial chief minister said on Friday.

Chief Minister Shehbaz Sharif, during a meeting with a delegation from Germany, said this energy project has been devised keeping in view the emerging energy challenges and needs of the country.

Sharif said every moment is precious and matters pertaining to this project should expeditiously be settled.

He added numerous energy projects have been completed in a record time while some projects are speedily being carried out.

Chief Minister said load shedding decreased due to completion of energy projects. “As much as Rs168 billion has been saved in gas projects of 3,600-megawatt, while 1,320-megawatt Sahiwal Coal Power Plant has been completed in a record time,” he added.

Minister Sharif said the projects of such a capacity were not even completed in China in such a short span.

He said energy projects are initiatives for development and prosperity of the country as these projects will remove darkness and the people will be benefitted by the completion of these projects. German experts assured the provincial government of providing technical cooperation for the new gas power project.
https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/219660-Punjab-to-establish-1200MW-power-plant
 
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Gunah bhai,

At least that part of Pakistan which is ruled by the PMLN/Sharif family will continue to see vikas.

Regards
 
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Gunah bhai,

At least that part of Pakistan which is ruled by the PMLN/Sharif family will continue to see vikas.

Regards
Vikas ... these stupids do not have gas we are already in shortage and again a gas power plant ... they are nuts and work for commission only ...

We are sitting on largest cold reserves on sindh rather than capitalising on those they installed imported coal base power plant ... rather than working on dam they are importing gas as they will get commission from the selling country ...
 
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Vikas ... these stupids do not have gas we are already in shortage and again a gas power plant ... they are nuts and work for commission only ...

We are sitting on largest cold reserves on sindh rather than capitalising on those they installed imported coal base power plant ... rather than working on dam they are importing gas as they will get commission from the selling country ...

If you are short of power as Pakistan is, what are the options?

Whether it is gas based, coal based or oil based, fuel for the power plant will be imported. Combined cycle gas plants are cheapest (about $1-milion per MW) are less pollutant and have thermal efficiency of about 55%.

Additionally annualized power factor of all the gas based plants in the US was about 56% per cent. Only nuclear plants have the higher power factor. This plant will probably use gas imported as LNG.

I repeat again. THAR COAL IS NOT POWER COAL. It cannot be used for power generation as it is. It will be a long time before we have large enough capacity for processing Thar coal to make it suitable for generating power for all our needs.

Should Pakistan continue to suffer from power shortage until that time?
 
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Niaz sb,

Thanks. That was quite useful. Off Topic but Wud love to hear from you on the latest political karnamey in Pak.

Regards

To get back to That Coal, if what you are saying is correct does it mean that the power plant which is coming up there is in deep trouble- it cannot use Thar Coal, presumably it cannot use high grade coal from RSA/AUZ either. And will have to use 3500-4500 KCal type coal from Indonesia, hopefully they have designed the plant to handle that coal!
 
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If you are short of power as Pakistan is, what are the options?

Whether it is gas based, coal based or oil based, fuel for the power plant will be imported. Combined cycle gas plants are cheapest (about $1-milion per MW) are less pollutant and have thermal efficiency of about 55%.

Additionally annualized power factor of all the gas based plants in the US was about 56% per cent. Only nuclear plants have the higher power factor. This plant will probably use gas imported as LNG.

I repeat again. THAR COAL IS NOT POWER COAL. It cannot be used for power generation as it is. It will be a long time before we have large enough capacity for processing Thar coal to make it suitable for generating power for all our needs.

Should Pakistan continue to suffer from power shortage until that time?

:hitwall::hitwall::hitwall:

Brother if you study power shortage is not because of shortage of installed capacity but also due to incapacity to pay for expensive fuel ...

Have you ever wondered what is circular debt and why it keep increasing ... one of the factor in circular debt is the differnce between the electricity cost charged to public and electicity cost at which is purchased ...

Brother thar coal is totally feasible ... engro power gen is about to start production of electricity chinese are also working on it ... are you suggesting that they are stupid and investing billions of dollars for nothing ?

Today fuel is at lower cost and therefore gas is affordable but what about fuel prices gets to normal down the line in next 5 to 10 years ? Then how will you pay ? You cost of energy is already highest in the region ... with thar coal even if cost is close to gas based but still the money remains within the economy and price will not fluctuate with international prices which will not come down and are expectex to go up only ...

For short term achievement you are ruining the long term at risk ... differnce between coal and gas could not be more than a year in completion but your 25 to 30 years get secured but PMLN do not work on long term objective as short term involves kick back ... local production would have involved very few kick backs

Niaz sb,

Thanks. That was quite useful. Off Topic but Wud love to hear from you on the latest political karnamey in Pak.

Regards

To get back to That Coal, if what you are saying is correct does it mean that the power plant which is coming up there is in deep trouble- it cannot use Thar Coal, presumably it cannot use high grade coal from RSA/AUZ either. And will have to use 3500-4500 KCal type coal from Indonesia, hopefully they have designed the plant to handle that coal!
http://www.engropowergen.com/businesses/sindh-engro-coal-mining-company/
Seems like all the consultants of world most reknown organization and Pakistan's most professional business conglomerate Engro group is wrong when they sold their cash cow Engro Foods to invest in highly profitable energy business but mr. @niaz is correct ...
 
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:hitwall::hitwall::hitwall:

Brother if you study power shortage is not because of shortage of installed capacity but also due to incapacity to pay for expensive fuel ...

Have you ever wondered what is circular debt and why it keep increasing ... one of the factor in circular debt is the differnce between the electricity cost charged to public and electicity cost at which is purchased ...

Brother thar coal is totally feasible ... engro power gen is about to start production of electricity chinese are also working on it ... are you suggesting that they are stupid and investing billions of dollars for nothing ?

Today fuel is at lower cost and therefore gas is affordable but what about fuel prices gets to normal down the line in next 5 to 10 years ? Then how will you pay ? You cost of energy is already highest in the region ... with thar coal even if cost is close to gas based but still the money remains within the economy and price will not fluctuate with international prices which will not come down and are expectex to go up only ...

For short term achievement you are ruining the long term at risk ... differnce between coal and gas could not be more than a year in completion but your 25 to 30 years get secured but PMLN do not work on long term objective as short term involves kick back ... local production would have involved very few kick backs


http://www.engropowergen.com/businesses/sindh-engro-coal-mining-company/
Seems like all the consultants of world most reknown organization and Pakistan's most professional business conglomerate Engro group is wrong when they sold their cash cow Engro Foods to invest in highly profitable energy business but mr. @niaz is correct ...

There are many many reasons for power shortages

Main 2 reasons are

1) Most IPPs use very expensive fuel, though we have 22-23GW capacity but its not affordable in longer run bec of circular debt
2) Transmission lines are not capable to handle more than 16-17GW contentiously. So they have to shut down grids to cool it down.

So currently to over come the best way is
for Short-Medium Term
1) Coal Plants
2) gas Plants

Bec they takes very short time. If u r talking about fuel cost in 5-10 years there is no chance for price increae.
Long run
1) Hydro-power Plants
2) Nuclear Power

In addition to that we can install Wind power.

:hitwall::hitwall::hitwall:

http://www.engropowergen.com/businesses/sindh-engro-coal-mining-company/
Seems like all the consultants of world most reknown organization and Pakistan's most professional business conglomerate Engro group is wrong when they sold their cash cow Engro Foods to invest in highly profitable energy business but mr. @niaz is correct ...

Its about cost and time. Let me know when they will instal plants in GW over there. It will take alot of time. 2nd u can transport that coal and if u usethat coal to supply in all over Pakistan it will b not b possible bec of line losses at longer distances. I would love to discuss if u back ur things with facts with examples from different countries. look at china and india and let me know from whr they are getting max power and wat sort of fuel they are using.
 
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There are many many reasons for power shortages

Main 2 reasons are

1) Most IPPs use very expensive fuel, though we have 22-23GW capacity but its not affordable in longer run bec of circular debt
2) Transmission lines are not capable to handle more than 16-17GW contentiously. So they have to shut down grids to cool it down.

So currently to over come the best way is
for Short-Medium Term
1) Coal Plants
2) gas Plants

Bec they takes very short time. If u r talking about fuel cost in 5-10 years there is no chance for price increae.
Long run
1) Hydro-power Plants
2) Nuclear Power

In addition to that we can install Wind power.



Its about cost and time. Let me know when they will instal plants in GW over there. It will take alot of time. 2nd u can transport that coal and if u usethat coal to supply in all over Pakistan it will b not b possible bec of line losses at longer distances. I would love to discuss if u back ur things with facts with examples from different countries. look at china and india and let me know from whr they are getting max power and wat sort of fuel they are using.

And from where are we getting the gas ? Whats is transportation cost of gas ? And how can you say that fuel prices are not going to increase in medium term ? Fuel prices are like this from last 6 to 7 decades ... currently investment in new plants in canada and america is not being done as they are not feasible at current prices and soon we are going to witness decline in supply of shale gas ...

I dont have time right now to put the figures here but we are far behind in use of coal as a source of energy from all developed economies like usa europ india and china ... even in terms of nuclear power we are far behind ...

This is not about short term goals ... if you keep on consuimng all the resources how will you get the budget for long term solutions ?

Same mistake was done by Musharaf we had ample energy at that time but the moment fuel became expensive we were in no position to run the plant ...
 
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Niaz is right. First 330MW thar plant will come online by end of 2019. Thar may produce 2000MW by 2023. That's long time to wait just for 2000MW.
 
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:hitwall::hitwall::hitwall:

Brother if you study power shortage is not because of shortage of installed capacity but also due to incapacity to pay for expensive fuel ...

Have you ever wondered what is circular debt and why it keep increasing ... one of the factor in circular debt is the differnce between the electricity cost charged to public and electicity cost at which is purchased ...

Brother thar coal is totally feasible ... engro power gen is about to start production of electricity chinese are also working on it ... are you suggesting that they are stupid and investing billions of dollars for nothing ?

Today fuel is at lower cost and therefore gas is affordable but what about fuel prices gets to normal down the line in next 5 to 10 years ? Then how will you pay ? You cost of energy is already highest in the region ... with thar coal even if cost is close to gas based but still the money remains within the economy and price will not fluctuate with international prices which will not come down and are expectex to go up only ...

For short term achievement you are ruining the long term at risk ... differnce between coal and gas could not be more than a year in completion but your 25 to 30 years get secured but PMLN do not work on long term objective as short term involves kick back ... local production would have involved very few kick backs


http://www.engropowergen.com/businesses/sindh-engro-coal-mining-company/
Seems like all the consultants of world most reknown organization and Pakistan's most professional business conglomerate Engro group is wrong when they sold their cash cow Engro Foods to invest in highly profitable energy business but mr. @niaz is correct ...


Honourable Sir,

I would humbly request you to read all of my rather large post before you start banging your head against the wall.

Problem is that most of my compatriots form opinions based upon what they read in the press written by journalist’s majority of who have little or no knowledge about energy.

I don’t claim to be an expert but I have done a study for the optimum fuel use for the 'Jamaica Power' back in the 1990’s. Most Consultancy companies have a list of experts in their field. Whenever they land a Consultancy job, jobs requiring specialized knowledge are subcontracted to the experts. I have been making a living doing piecemeal work for these large companies for the last 5 years;particularly in the field of petroleum refining, I certainly know as much as most of the international consultants. However this requires that I should keep myself up to date by surfing the internet and reading the industry journals accessible to me thru the library of American Institute of chemical Engineers of which I am a senior member.

I can therefore claim to know a little more about power generation than majority of the fellow members. This not because I am more intelligent but simply because I have a lot more info available with me. For example I came across the following article a few years ago on Thar coal.


"Chasing a pipe dream: Three reasons why Thar coal will not save Pakistan



By Fouad Khan

Published: January 23, 2012

To borrow and contort a famous turn of phrase from Matt Taibi’s now legendary piece of investigative journalism about Goldman Sachs, “the first thing you need to know about [global energy conglomerates] is that [they are] everywhere. The world’s most powerful [industry] is a great vampire squid wrapped around the face of [earth], relentlessly jamming its blood funnel into anything that smells like [fossil fuels].”

That is the image you need to wrap your minds around if you want to understand why Thar coal is not the lamp that will summon the jinn, to fix all of Pakistan’s energy and economic problems if only rubbed the right way by that right clean, patriotic leadership of lore. You need to envision this monster squid sticking its tentacles down every hole that smells even remotely of juice and then you need to ask yourself, doesn’t the brandished juiciness of Thar’s coal reserves sound succulent enough for that behemoth to have stuck its arms deep into it by now. After all, it’s already here, not even miles away from Thar in gas fields from Bhit to Qadirpur, quietly sucking up fossil fuels from in numerous holes. If BP, Eni, MOL and others can find a way to drill, build and operate in Sindh, why haven’t Peabody Energy got a whiff of all that solid black gold buried underground yet and come looking for it. The answer to that question, unfortunately for Pakistan, is that, unlike the gas and the oil, and the copper to the west in Balochistan, the coal simply isn’t worth it. It isn’t worth the trouble, worth the bureaucratic hassles, worth braving the security risks, worth going half-way around the world for. It isn’t worth it in terms of bare dollar amounts, in terms of ecological economics or in terms of energy return on energy input. Now, don’t make a mistake here. There’s significant amount of energy to be had from Thar’s coal reserves, but in the national context. Not in the global context. If someone tells you Thar’s coal reserves are the largest, or the second largest, or even in the top ten in the world, ask them for their sources. They are wrong.

Why the numbers don’t add up

According to the World Energy Council, Pakistan has a little more than 2,000 million tons of proven recoverable coal reserves. That number is supported by British Petroleum’s similar estimates and contrasts with the Sindh Government’s total predicted estimates of about 2,357 million tons (this number does not include ‘indicated’ and ‘inferred’ reserves). This compared with Germany’s lignite reserves of about 40,600 million tons and India’s reserves of about 4,500 million tons seems small. Pakistan’s coal reserves are in effect only the 134th largest coal reserves in the world. But if you want to know what a resource is really worth, you need to rely on the word of someone who’s willing to pay for it. The last company that was willing to invest in Thar’s coal reserves, the Shenhua Group China, estimated that they could produce about 3.5 million tons of coal per year from the mines, which they translated into 600 MW of power generation. Pakistan’s energy shortage is now in the thousands of megawatt per day.

It is important to measure the potential of Thar coal in terms of megawatts of power per day because the kind of coal that Thar has, is of little use besides conversion to electricity onsite. Lignite, which is the least energy intensive form of coal, according to some definitions, is not coal at all. In fact, it is considered a dirty energy source lying somewhere on the spectrum between coal and peat with carbon content between 25% to 35%. The fixed carbon content of Thar coal is less than 22%. The low carbon content translates into low energy generation capacity, which means that if energy is invested into transporting the lignite from source to point of consumption, the net energy output of the mining, extraction, transportation and conversion process becomes less than zero; you end up investing more energy making energy out of coal than you get out of it in terms of megawatts. In order to get any energy out of lignite, it has to be converted into electricity almost entirely onsite; where it is being mined. Which brings us to the first reason why Thar coal will not save Pakistan.

There isn’t enough water

The methodology of getting lignite out of ground is called strip mining. You basically dig a big hole in the ground and the more coal you get out, the bigger the hole gets. Strip mining requires extensive amounts of water depending on the methodology used with estimates varying from 10 to 150 gallons of water for one ton of coal mined. Assuming minimum water requirement, mining 3.5 million tons of coal per year would require 35 million gallons of water per year or roughly about 100,000 gallons of water per day. Power production has further extensive water requirements. Sindh government is assuring investors an eventual water supply of about 300,000 gallons of water per day. Where is this water going to come from? Pakistan is a “water stressed” country on the verge of “water scarcity”, with the people of Thar being the most deprived in a nation of water deprived people. Yes, we are an energy starved nation, but more so than that we are a thirsty nation, who’ve let one of the richest water resource regimes in the world go to waste through lack of development and irresponsible usage. Make no mistake about it, the energy gained through Thar coal will come at a cost of water loss to the people who least can afford it. What complicates the matter even more is the fact that mining for coal in an area where the primary source of drinking water is subsurface aquifer, can end up contaminating the water supply of a very vulnerable population. Especially when, as in Thar, there are connected aquifers, above, within and below the coal zone.

Magic bullets don’t work

The impracticality of the water situation has led some in Pakistan’s scientific elite to consider unproven technologies. Underground Coal Gasification (UCG) is one such technology.

Unfortunately though, the risk of aquifer contamination is highest in UCG of all the techniques of extracting energy from underground coal. UCG is an experimental methodology where coal is not mined but sparked underground and the gas generated through this combustion is collected through wells. While this methodology does not have the high surface footprint and risks of strip mining, it offers extensive water contamination opportunities as the gas generated through combustion underground is hard to control. It can never be guaranteed to not mix with the subsurface water. But that’s the least of the problems with UCG. The experimental nature of UCG means that there are very few places in the world where this technology has been successfully implemented. No commercial UCG production wells exist and there are very few experts; individuals or companies who are competent enough to execute UCG projects flawlessly. UCG projects are economically feasible only if the coal reserves cannot be reached through traditional means and that is not the case here. Also, UCG is only recommended in coal beds which are isolated from aquifers. That is not the case in Thar either. So let’s recap; UCG is an experimental methodology that people at the helm of the UCG project in Thar have no expertise or experience in, there is no need to implement UCG in Thar and the technology if implemented will most certainly contaminate the only water source of a very vulnerable population.

The reason some of the claims of the UCG project leadership about potential of the project sound too good to be true, is because they are. The key to remember here is this; magic bullets don’t work. And miracle cures, more often than not, turn out to be nothing more than snake oil.

Thar coal is not a sustainable energy source

There is a litany of environmental problems associated with coal mining and electricity generation, with coal being the “dirtiest” of all fossil fuel sources, but environmental problems are not the real reason why Thar coal will not save Pakistan.

Thar coal cannot solve our energy problems, balance our budget, put food on every deprived Sindhi household’s table or lift Pakistan out of poverty, because coal is a fossil fuel and a finite resource. To understand the significance of this statement, think about this. When Sui gas was discovered in 1952 it was estimated that this energy source will last us for at least a hundred years. We were all set for three generations. For a hundred years we knew our stoves will stay warm, literally. Then, growth happened. Lots of it. Suddenly, unbelievable as it may have seemed once, we’d run out of gas. Gas was gone.

In terms of net energy, Thar’s reserves are a fraction of the embarrassment of riches that was found in Sui six decades ago. At current growth rates, they will last us no longer than twenty five years. What then?

This is not to say that we shouldn’t exploit Thar’s energy potential. By all means, we need to tap that resource as soon as possible — giving due consideration to environmental concerns of course — and exploit as much of it as we can without hindering on the water rights of the locals. But we must not forget that despite being a potential medium term respite, Thar coal is no solution to Pakistan’s long term energy problems. Pakistan has extensive wind and hydel renewable potential. Small dams along the stretch of Indus and the sprouting of wind farms along our beautiful jagged coast are the only truly sustainable options that can secure Pakistan’s energy future.

The writer is an energy, environment and water resources consultant based in Hungary.

Published in The Express Tribune, January 23rd, 2012."


https://tribune.com.pk/story/325560...reasons-why-thar-coal-will-not-save-pakistan/

The figures quoted about the total amount of Thar lignite in place is incorrect.I think Fouad Khan is using the deposits in one block as the total deposits because:

“Block-II of Thar contained two billion tons of lignite reserves, out of which 1.57 billion tons were exploitable, the official disclosed. The SECMC had established a subsidiary — the Thar Power Company — to set up a 600 megawatt power plant utilising coal from Thar block-I.”

https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/85967-Thar-coal-fields-Block-II-achieves-financial-close

However the limitation of water is a fact and a major impediment in the full exploitation of Thar coal.

“ Ministry of Water and Power, in its comments stated that three blocks of Thar-coal are included in the CPEC and in order to provide economies of scale, each block must achieve a capacity of more than 15-20 million tons per annum which means generation of around 7,500-9,000 MW cumulatively. At present, tariff on Thar coal is available to projects of around 3,600 MWs.”

http://fp.brecorder.com/2017/03/20170328158738/


Based upon the above even one block would need at least half a million gallons of water per day to dig up the coal alone. Requirement for the steam generation is addition to that. In my opinion Thar coal fired power plants would be forced to use ‘Dry Cooling’ that is, employing air cooled condensers for cooling instead of water.

I stand by my assertion that it would be very long time before we can rely on Thar coal alone. Even after reading the post if you would still like to hit your head against the wall, please go ahead I promise not to stand in your way.
 
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Honourable Sir,

I would humbly request you to read all of my rather large post before you start banging your head against the wall.

Problem is that most of my compatriots form opinions based upon what they read in the press written by journalist’s majority of who have little or no knowledge about energy.

I don’t claim to be an expert but I have done a study for the optimum fuel use for the 'Jamaica Power' back in the 1990’s. Most Consultancy companies have a list of experts in their field. Whenever they land a Consultancy job, jobs requiring specialized knowledge are subcontracted to the experts. I have been making a living doing piecemeal work for these large companies for the last 5 years;particularly in the field of petroleum refining, I certainly know as much as most of the international consultants. However this requires that I should keep myself up to date by surfing the internet and reading the industry journals accessible to me thru the library of American Institute of chemical Engineers of which I am a senior member.

I can therefore claim to know a little more about power generation than majority of the fellow members. This not because I am more intelligent but simply because I have a lot more info available with me. For example I came across the following article a few years ago on Thar coal.


"Chasing a pipe dream: Three reasons why Thar coal will not save Pakistan



By Fouad Khan

Published: January 23, 2012

To borrow and contort a famous turn of phrase from Matt Taibi’s now legendary piece of investigative journalism about Goldman Sachs, “the first thing you need to know about [global energy conglomerates] is that [they are] everywhere. The world’s most powerful [industry] is a great vampire squid wrapped around the face of [earth], relentlessly jamming its blood funnel into anything that smells like [fossil fuels].”

That is the image you need to wrap your minds around if you want to understand why Thar coal is not the lamp that will summon the jinn, to fix all of Pakistan’s energy and economic problems if only rubbed the right way by that right clean, patriotic leadership of lore. You need to envision this monster squid sticking its tentacles down every hole that smells even remotely of juice and then you need to ask yourself, doesn’t the brandished juiciness of Thar’s coal reserves sound succulent enough for that behemoth to have stuck its arms deep into it by now. After all, it’s already here, not even miles away from Thar in gas fields from Bhit to Qadirpur, quietly sucking up fossil fuels from in numerous holes. If BP, Eni, MOL and others can find a way to drill, build and operate in Sindh, why haven’t Peabody Energy got a whiff of all that solid black gold buried underground yet and come looking for it. The answer to that question, unfortunately for Pakistan, is that, unlike the gas and the oil, and the copper to the west in Balochistan, the coal simply isn’t worth it. It isn’t worth the trouble, worth the bureaucratic hassles, worth braving the security risks, worth going half-way around the world for. It isn’t worth it in terms of bare dollar amounts, in terms of ecological economics or in terms of energy return on energy input. Now, don’t make a mistake here. There’s significant amount of energy to be had from Thar’s coal reserves, but in the national context. Not in the global context. If someone tells you Thar’s coal reserves are the largest, or the second largest, or even in the top ten in the world, ask them for their sources. They are wrong.

Why the numbers don’t add up

According to the World Energy Council, Pakistan has a little more than 2,000 million tons of proven recoverable coal reserves. That number is supported by British Petroleum’s similar estimates and contrasts with the Sindh Government’s total predicted estimates of about 2,357 million tons (this number does not include ‘indicated’ and ‘inferred’ reserves). This compared with Germany’s lignite reserves of about 40,600 million tons and India’s reserves of about 4,500 million tons seems small. Pakistan’s coal reserves are in effect only the 134th largest coal reserves in the world. But if you want to know what a resource is really worth, you need to rely on the word of someone who’s willing to pay for it. The last company that was willing to invest in Thar’s coal reserves, the Shenhua Group China, estimated that they could produce about 3.5 million tons of coal per year from the mines, which they translated into 600 MW of power generation. Pakistan’s energy shortage is now in the thousands of megawatt per day.

It is important to measure the potential of Thar coal in terms of megawatts of power per day because the kind of coal that Thar has, is of little use besides conversion to electricity onsite. Lignite, which is the least energy intensive form of coal, according to some definitions, is not coal at all. In fact, it is considered a dirty energy source lying somewhere on the spectrum between coal and peat with carbon content between 25% to 35%. The fixed carbon content of Thar coal is less than 22%. The low carbon content translates into low energy generation capacity, which means that if energy is invested into transporting the lignite from source to point of consumption, the net energy output of the mining, extraction, transportation and conversion process becomes less than zero; you end up investing more energy making energy out of coal than you get out of it in terms of megawatts. In order to get any energy out of lignite, it has to be converted into electricity almost entirely onsite; where it is being mined. Which brings us to the first reason why Thar coal will not save Pakistan.

There isn’t enough water

The methodology of getting lignite out of ground is called strip mining. You basically dig a big hole in the ground and the more coal you get out, the bigger the hole gets. Strip mining requires extensive amounts of water depending on the methodology used with estimates varying from 10 to 150 gallons of water for one ton of coal mined. Assuming minimum water requirement, mining 3.5 million tons of coal per year would require 35 million gallons of water per year or roughly about 100,000 gallons of water per day. Power production has further extensive water requirements. Sindh government is assuring investors an eventual water supply of about 300,000 gallons of water per day. Where is this water going to come from? Pakistan is a “water stressed” country on the verge of “water scarcity”, with the people of Thar being the most deprived in a nation of water deprived people. Yes, we are an energy starved nation, but more so than that we are a thirsty nation, who’ve let one of the richest water resource regimes in the world go to waste through lack of development and irresponsible usage. Make no mistake about it, the energy gained through Thar coal will come at a cost of water loss to the people who least can afford it. What complicates the matter even more is the fact that mining for coal in an area where the primary source of drinking water is subsurface aquifer, can end up contaminating the water supply of a very vulnerable population. Especially when, as in Thar, there are connected aquifers, above, within and below the coal zone.

Magic bullets don’t work

The impracticality of the water situation has led some in Pakistan’s scientific elite to consider unproven technologies. Underground Coal Gasification (UCG) is one such technology.

Unfortunately though, the risk of aquifer contamination is highest in UCG of all the techniques of extracting energy from underground coal. UCG is an experimental methodology where coal is not mined but sparked underground and the gas generated through this combustion is collected through wells. While this methodology does not have the high surface footprint and risks of strip mining, it offers extensive water contamination opportunities as the gas generated through combustion underground is hard to control. It can never be guaranteed to not mix with the subsurface water. But that’s the least of the problems with UCG. The experimental nature of UCG means that there are very few places in the world where this technology has been successfully implemented. No commercial UCG production wells exist and there are very few experts; individuals or companies who are competent enough to execute UCG projects flawlessly. UCG projects are economically feasible only if the coal reserves cannot be reached through traditional means and that is not the case here. Also, UCG is only recommended in coal beds which are isolated from aquifers. That is not the case in Thar either. So let’s recap; UCG is an experimental methodology that people at the helm of the UCG project in Thar have no expertise or experience in, there is no need to implement UCG in Thar and the technology if implemented will most certainly contaminate the only water source of a very vulnerable population.

The reason some of the claims of the UCG project leadership about potential of the project sound too good to be true, is because they are. The key to remember here is this; magic bullets don’t work. And miracle cures, more often than not, turn out to be nothing more than snake oil.

Thar coal is not a sustainable energy source

There is a litany of environmental problems associated with coal mining and electricity generation, with coal being the “dirtiest” of all fossil fuel sources, but environmental problems are not the real reason why Thar coal will not save Pakistan.

Thar coal cannot solve our energy problems, balance our budget, put food on every deprived Sindhi household’s table or lift Pakistan out of poverty, because coal is a fossil fuel and a finite resource. To understand the significance of this statement, think about this. When Sui gas was discovered in 1952 it was estimated that this energy source will last us for at least a hundred years. We were all set for three generations. For a hundred years we knew our stoves will stay warm, literally. Then, growth happened. Lots of it. Suddenly, unbelievable as it may have seemed once, we’d run out of gas. Gas was gone.

In terms of net energy, Thar’s reserves are a fraction of the embarrassment of riches that was found in Sui six decades ago. At current growth rates, they will last us no longer than twenty five years. What then?

This is not to say that we shouldn’t exploit Thar’s energy potential. By all means, we need to tap that resource as soon as possible — giving due consideration to environmental concerns of course — and exploit as much of it as we can without hindering on the water rights of the locals. But we must not forget that despite being a potential medium term respite, Thar coal is no solution to Pakistan’s long term energy problems. Pakistan has extensive wind and hydel renewable potential. Small dams along the stretch of Indus and the sprouting of wind farms along our beautiful jagged coast are the only truly sustainable options that can secure Pakistan’s energy future.

The writer is an energy, environment and water resources consultant based in Hungary.

Published in The Express Tribune, January 23rd, 2012."


https://tribune.com.pk/story/325560...reasons-why-thar-coal-will-not-save-pakistan/

The figures quoted about the total amount of Thar lignite in place is incorrect.I think Fouad Khan is using the deposits in one block as the total deposits because:

“Block-II of Thar contained two billion tons of lignite reserves, out of which 1.57 billion tons were exploitable, the official disclosed. The SECMC had established a subsidiary — the Thar Power Company — to set up a 600 megawatt power plant utilising coal from Thar block-I.”

https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/85967-Thar-coal-fields-Block-II-achieves-financial-close

However the limitation of water is a fact a major impediment in the full exploitation of Thar coal.

“ Ministry of Water and Power, in its comments stated that three blocks of Thar-coal are included in the CPEC and in order to provide economies of scale, each block must achieve a capacity of more than 15-20 million tons per annum which means generation of around 7,500-9,000 MW cumulatively. At present, tariff on Thar coal is available to projects of around 3,600 MWs.”

http://fp.brecorder.com/2017/03/20170328158738/


Based upon the above even one block would need at least half a million of water per day to dig up the coal alone. Requirement for the steam generation is addition to that. In my opinion Thar coal fired power plants would be forced to use ‘Dry Cooling’ that is, employing air cooled condensers for cooling instead of water.

I stand by my assertion that it would be very long time before we can rely on Thar coal alone. Even after reading the post if you would still like to hit your head against the wall, please go ahead I promise not to stand in your way.

Nepra has cut Thar coal upfront tariff by 18.5%

Islamabad - The National Electric Power Regulatory Authority (Nepra) on Thursday announced a fresh upfront tariff for Thar coal power generation project and set an upfront tariff of 7.23 cents per unit for wet-cooling based double units on foreign financing and 7.32 cents per unit on local financing.

In its fresh decision, after taking the opinion of all the stakeholders, the Nepra has reduced the rate of return and attempted to attract super-critical technology and said the new tariff will remain effective for two years or a maximum of 5000 MW of generation capacity, whichever came first.

http://nation.com.pk/business/28-Jul-2017/nepra-cuts-upfront-tariff-for-thar-coal-project

Let's see if more investors come forward now.
 
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Nepra has cut Thar coal upfront tariff by 18.5%

Islamabad - The National Electric Power Regulatory Authority (Nepra) on Thursday announced a fresh upfront tariff for Thar coal power generation project and set an upfront tariff of 7.23 cents per unit for wet-cooling based double units on foreign financing and 7.32 cents per unit on local financing.

In its fresh decision, after taking the opinion of all the stakeholders, the Nepra has reduced the rate of return and attempted to attract super-critical technology and said the new tariff will remain effective for two years or a maximum of 5000 MW of generation capacity, whichever came first.

http://nation.com.pk/business/28-Jul-2017/nepra-cuts-upfront-tariff-for-thar-coal-project

Let's see if more investors come forward now.

Thats correct but its a long term plan we cant base our current energy needs on this. We need power NOW? i do agree with @niaz

Asan engineer i am following power developments in Pakistan. Here mostly journalists dont even know the basics they just talk bullsht and people just follow them
 
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Niaz is right. First 330MW thar plant will come online by end of 2019. Thar may produce 2000MW by 2023. That's long time to wait just for 2000MW.
Shame the budget is at a tiny $45B, one can't do too much with this........ hopeful Pak could over 50GW by 2020??
 
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Shame the budget is at a tiny $45B, one can't do too much with this........ hopeful Pak could over 50GW by 2020??

By 2018-19 it will be around 35GW. and 50 GW will be by 2022-23. At that time we will have 2-3 Hyrdro Pwoer plant and Nuclear Plants ready.

Shame the budget is at a tiny $45B, one can't do too much with this........ hopeful Pak could over 50GW by 2020??

I thi its the time e should start paying taxes and then start asking the govt where they are spending it. When it self we are thief so of course our leader will be thieves too.
 
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For energy here and now, one option could be link Pak Grid to India, which is capable of generating surplus power using its unutilised coal based thermal generation. You just have to put an HVDC link from Indian Punjab to Pak Punjab, or from Gujarat to Sind- can be implemented in 2-3 years, almost the same time as it takes to set up a gas based unit.

Regards
 
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