Punitive Air Strikes on Enemy Airbases and Our Options.

[Pakistani Fighter]

we are not able to sustain war much longer currently, you want to destroy Pakistan @Syed Hammad Ahmed


And destroy ourselves, war is not problem solver its complicate things more @Syed Hammad Ahmed

Then forget that Kashmir will be ours anyday. You cant get Kashmir if you dont have war

 

[Ultima Thule]

Then forget that Kashmir will be ours anyday. You cant get Kashmir if you dont have war

if there will no Pakistan and India then what's Kashmir issue for @Syed Hammad Ahmed

 

[maverick1977]

taking out 30% assets will be a great, but if you cross 40% then victory will be yours.

 

[Tumba]

India does not have ground attack cruise missiles .. Brahmos with 220 km range may be operational in limited numbers...

Basically not more than a couple of dozen ground launched cruise missiles and 0 air launched one ... Its facing in my estimate 1000 (s) caz pak makes them in house

6 Indian Army Regiments are equipped with Brahmos Ground Attack missile system... each regiment has 72 missiles ready to be fired and same number for reload or more that’s roughly 1000 for Indian Army alone... Most of Indian Navy surface fleet are also equipped with Brahmose and Indian Airforce also has ground attack launchers with them... I say India has around 1500+ Brahmose alone ... not sure how many Russian cruise missile they has directly bought ...

 

[Mrc]

6 Indian Army Regiments are equipped with Brahmos Ground Attack missile system... each regiment has 72 missiles ready to be fired and same number for reload or more that’s roughly 1000 for Indian Army alone... Most of Indian Navy surface fleet are also equipped with Brahmose and Indian Airforce also has ground attack launchers with them... I say India has around 1500+ Brahmose alone ... not sure how many Russian cruise missile they has directly bought ...

Indian airforce has 0 functioning brahmos... Plus the version army has is 220 km range I m not sure how many operating . The figures u quote are projected after few years after full induction

Su 30 has to b modified to carry brahmos . So far only one modified for testing

 

[WarKa DaNG]

We should keep the indian attack in our mind, they are also planning to attack our bases in case of war ASAP, Better them than us !!!

 

[Tumba]

Indian airforce has 0 functioning brahmos... Plus the version army has is 220 km range I m not sure how many operating . The figures u quote are projected after few years after full induction

Su 30 has to b modified to carry brahmos . So far only one modified for testing

Indian Airforce has ground attack launchers also the recent 2 Brahmose launches were from IAF ground launchers only. The advertised range is 280 kms.. but after India became member of MTCR .. there are news coming out all Brahmos are capable of 400 kms in Top Lo Lo mode mostly used for attacks ..

 

[Mrc]

Indian Airforce has ground attack launchers also the recent 2 Brahmose launches were from IAF ground launchers only. The advertised range is 280 kms.. but after India became member of MTCR .. there are news coming out all Brahmos are capable of 400 kms in Top Lo Lo mode mostly used for attacks ..

There is one su 30 modified to carry a very heavy missile which is being used to test fires.. .

 

[FOOLS_NIGHTMARE]

Located just 30 miles from the international border in the district of Kutch in Gujrat,Bhuj has been one of the most bombed Indian Airbase in the 1965/1971 wars.

It was completely destroyed by PAF in the 1971 war.The runway was raided 35 times in 14 days with attacks by 92 bombs and 22 rockets(Indian source).Relentless bombing raids by PAF petrified the enemy as depicted in the video below(Alas there had been no plans to capture it).

Today it houses the 27 wing of IAF ,an element of South Western Air Command,,with rotations between Jaguars and Su 30MKI.

The Airbase shares its runway with the civilian airport.

Bhuj is the headquarter of Kutch district and becomes an island during high tides,surrounded by the Arabian Sea to the West,the Rann of Kutch to the North and the Gulf of Kutch to the South.

This Peninsula/island has a population of only 2 million and an area of 45,674 km2 (17,635 sq mi). Twenty five percent are non Hindus with ancestral links to Sindh. Bhuj and Jamnagar(Shurashra,Gujrat) Airbases are primarily assigned to protect the vital trading ports in the Gulf of Kutch.

Deeply concerned of the REGIONS vulnerability the Indians are always on their toes. During Kargil they shot down our unarmed Atlantic aircraft,and every other day they accuse us of sending Commandos or armed men to destabilise the economic zone.
https://www.thehindu.com/news/inter...-report-on-explosives-boat/article6751191.ece
https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/n...heightened-at-kandla-mundra-ports/824701.html

The Region cannot house heavy military equipment like Tanks and Artillery because of the nature of the terrain.

Most of the border fencing light poles are non functional .

https://zeenews.india.com/india/of-...al-along-gujarat-pakistan-border-2165842.html

Between the Border and the Bhuj Airbase is a place called Kala Dungar,458m above sea level. It is the highest point in Kutch where the international border and Bhuj Airbase can be viewed.Surely a vantage point for any foe(Pakistan) seeking to take area dominance.

On 7 September 1965, the PAF parachuted 135 para commandos at three Indian airfields (Halwara, Pathankot and Adampur). The daring attempt proved to be an "unmitigated disaster" as these troops landed in residential areas.Well things have changed exponentially since then, a full Division of SSW(Special Service Wing)is fully operational,where each commando is trained for multiple tasks.They are occasionally sent to the United States for advanced training with the 1st Special Forces Group and the 75th Ranger Regiment in Fort Lewis, Fort Bragg and Fort Benning.

Apart from other numerous skills SSW can take over or construct an airstrip, set up navigational equipment, and direct airplanes and helicopters to a safe landing without the use of a tower or elaborate communications system. They can also control air attacks of fixed- and rotary-wing aircraft from all military services.

In the event of hostilities our Naval Marines can compliment our SSW to fill in the numbers, provide alternative sea extraction routes,support logistics and other offensive duties.

In all the war scenarios capturing Bhuj Airbase is the most viable option and i am sure the surprise we are told about can be this one as well. Nature has made the REGION a weak defending ground,and the amount of territory at grabs can be a good trade off with the Kashmir Valley!!!!
On a sarcastic note Bollywood is making a movie of our hammering of Bhuj ,with Ajay Devgan as its beleaguered base commander in 1971.

 

[Arsalan 345]

I absolutely agree with your opinion. I am sure our top brass must have thoroughly thought about it since 1971. They simply cannot allow a numerically and qualitatively superior foe take the advantage of striking us first,we just cannot afford it.
I am sure our CCS must have devised a strategy in line with"OPERATION FOCUS" where the Israelis annihilated the entire Egyptian and Arab air forces by noon,450 aircraft were destroyed along with 18 airfields disabled.
Our pilots have better skills than most of the Israeli pilots,surely with same the equipment they can perform even a better spectacular feat.
Indian airbases within 30 miles to the border can be a good MLRS target.

Indian entire coastline airbases and other installations can be taken care off by our submarine launched Cruise/ballistic missiles.

There are lots of factors.one factor is diplomacy.in any future war,we can't predict number of enemies and number of allies.things are changing fast.i believe China is our only hope but I believe they will not intervene.they can provide us weapons but will never intervene.this condition is against us.india have many friends and Russia is old friend of India.

We can decimate nearby indian bases but going deep isn't possible.we lack everything,I mean number of fighter jets,number of submarines and even number of soldiers.this situation is not good for pakistan.pakistan didn't pay attention to Navy but now after gwadar,we need big Navy and presence in indian ocean.right now, situation supports India and we shouldn't start a war now.may be sometime later but not now.i think we really need China in this game.with involvement of friendly countries,we can easily defeat India and even annex Kashmir but I think we trusted ourselves and we think that we can defeat them.we can't.they have numerical superiority.

Planning to involve China in battlefield was probably not considered.pakistan can fight well but for how long? 10 days,2 months? We will collapse and indians know this fact.they call Kashmir bilateral because they don't want to involve China in this disputed.trust me,they fear Chinese involvement in any conflict.nuclear missiles is the end of this region but even with nuclear missiles,there is no guarantee that we can destroy entire India.india is big and deep.this is perfect condition for any country.all our airbases and military installations are the primary indian Target.we can't rule out their ability to retaliate.they have almost 270 su-30. We don't stand a chance.we need time and proper strategy.if we want Kashmir,we must involve China.india is a big country.we must be realistic.passion is good but facing reality is a different thing.if we really care about decimating India,we should involve friends in this game otherwise there is no chance.

 

[khanmubashir]

Did India win the war?
At least three independent authors believed India had an upper hand in the war:

• Retired American diplomat Dennis Kux: "Although both sides lost heavily in men and material, and neither gained a decisive military advantage, India had the better of the war. Delhi achieved its basic goal of thwarting Pakistan's attempt to seize Kashmir by force. Pakistan gained nothing from a conflict which it had instigated."
• English historian John Keay: "The war lasted barely a month. Pakistan made gains in the Rajasthan desert but its main push against India's Jammu-Srinagar road link was repulsed and Indian tanks advanced to within a sight of Lahore. Both sides claimed victory but India had most to celebrate."
• American author Stanley Wolpert: "The war ended in what appeared to be a draw when the embargo placed by Washington on US ammunition and replacements for both armies forced cessation of conflict before either side won a clear victory. India, however, was in a position to inflict grave damage to, if not capture, Pakistan's capital of the Punjab when the ceasefire was called, and controlled Kashmir's strategic Uri-Poonch bulge, much to [Pakistani president] Ayub's chagrin."

Cherry picking few so called independent but actually biased scholars Sonny ??? islamophobia and Pak phobia is a sure shit way to sell books and get backers these so called experts also gave multiple deadlines for Pakistan end all of expired without realization

Did India win the war?
At least three independent authors believed India had an upper hand in the war:

• Retired American diplomat Dennis Kux: "Although both sides lost heavily in men and material, and neither gained a decisive military advantage, India had the better of the war. Delhi achieved its basic goal of thwarting Pakistan's attempt to seize Kashmir by force. Pakistan gained nothing from a conflict which it had instigated."
• English historian John Keay: "The war lasted barely a month. Pakistan made gains in the Rajasthan desert but its main push against India's Jammu-Srinagar road link was repulsed and Indian tanks advanced to within a sight of Lahore. Both sides claimed victory but India had most to celebrate."
• American author Stanley Wolpert: "The war ended in what appeared to be a draw when the embargo placed by Washington on US ammunition and replacements for both armies forced cessation of conflict before either side won a clear victory. India, however, was in a position to inflict grave damage to, if not capture, Pakistan's capital of the Punjab when the ceasefire was called, and controlled Kashmir's strategic Uri-Poonch bulge, much to [Pakistani president] Ayub's chagrin."

Pak a 5 x smaller nation managed to cause heavy damage to Indian Even they were the ones to start surprise offensive on international border so much so that their sugar daddy Soviets had to come to save Indian arse and shastri died of broken heart and all was left was Indians to manipulate facts in it's bs propaganda and paid experts on poor. Indian people money like they spin bs bs for chutya bhkats after 27 Feb but unfortunately it's much more difficult to sell bs to other then chutya bhakts my child

 

[Mujahid Memon]

PAF in the past wars of 1965 and 1971 surprised the enemy on many occasions by conducting daring air raids on their airbases and radar installations. The main targets were the Indian Airbases of Amritsar, Ambala, Agra, Awantipur, Bikaner, Halwara, Jodhpur, Jaisalmer, Pathankot, Bhuj, Srinagar and Uttarlai and air defence radars at Amritsar and Faridkot. The PAF's strikes were based on the strategy of pre-emptive neutralization of enemy air capability. However the heroic efforts of our pilots were compromised, because only a limited section of the PAF's strike capability was employed by our planners,thus enabling the enemy to regroup.

PAF has always implied the methodology that it has to strike the enemy first and hard.Hence the slogan/motto of "Kill the Enemy before it kills you".
With our limited resources available PAF must have a strategy at hand to NEUTRALIZE the enemy, prior to it taking any action.!!!Today PAFs task is more arduous than what its predecessors had. Can Army Strategic Forces Command collaborate and coordinate its missions with the PAF.? I think with the outbreak of hostilities Strategic force command will be our first strike option to soften the enemy airbases with non nuclear munitions.In this field Pakistan enjoys a vast qualitative and quantitative superiority over its enemy.
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Although the enemy is constantly in the hunt for more powerful air defence systems,to date its still vulnerable.Hopefully we will soon find other alternatives like the Ababeel MIRV.

After the initial volley of Ballistic missiles our SOWs (H2 andH4),Cruise missiles,REK bombs, MARs and others can come into play to finish the designated targets.

Following Indian Airbases have undergone major upgrades recently
after their humiliation earlier this year and can be good targets.

We should not discount the role of Sea/submarine launched cruise/ballistic missiles,striking/neutralising enemy air bases. Getting support from sister services for a common goal will be a matter of pride for all Pakistanis. Next time when our motherland calls us ELIMINATION OF ALL ENEMY AIR ASSETS QUICKLY WILL BE THE GOAL.

Cheap decoy drones with intentionally large RCS comparable to an F16 or Jf17 to waste their precious SAM missiles

 

[FOOLS_NIGHTMARE]

Our Knights from Masroor paid regular visits to Bhuj and Jamnagar .

 

[Joe1351]

Cherry picking few so called independent but actually biased scholars Sonny ??? islamophobia and Pak phobia is a sure shit way to sell books and get backers these so called experts also gave multiple deadlines for Pakistan end all of expired without realization


Pak a 5 x smaller nation managed to cause heavy damage to Indian Even they were the ones to start surprise offensive on international border so much so that their sugar daddy Soviets had to come to save Indian arse and shastri died of broken heart and all was left was Indians to manipulate facts in it's bs propaganda and paid experts on poor. Indian people money like they spin bs bs for chutya bhkats after 27 Feb but unfortunately it's much more difficult to sell bs to other then chutya bhakts my child

Whatever makes you happy but the stated objective of war for Pak offensive was to take JK, which it failed. So...

 

[Bossman]

Not punitive but preemptive.