PTI's desperate campaign for "DAWN" poll

[Gazi]

Aamir Khan probably refused to co-operate. There was evidence of Aamir Khan interacting and being involved with them. That's just what's publicly available, a lot of it is confidential.

He resisted Arrest or he didnt Allowed Rangers to check 9-0 from inside???What kind of refusal to Co-operate we are talking about really???He was Taken by Rangers by calling him their Guest and then announce his arrest. Wow what a way to handle the situation by Rangers my hats off.

No, they aren't. Unless the ASWJ, Lyari gangs, Sunni Tehreek, PPP, PAC and so on are somehow part of MQM.

None of them were Brought to media with their Confessional Statements and non of them are used for Maligning and Humiliating Campaigns like MQM workers. Do you even see how they have brought people in front of ATC which include Aamir Khan as well while others were setting free within hours. If Rangers claim to be impartial then they should drag everyone the same way and treat everyone equally.

Illegal weapons and target killing are not petty crimes.

Illegal weapons are found only under MQM while no Weapons have found under other groups. Who are you trying to teach here. Karachi had been full of weapons and it was all thanks to Zulfiqar Mirza who openly said that loudly that he distributed them to counter MQM and where is he right now????USA. How many times was he being questioned about it by Rangers???None. So spare me from this illegal weapons thing because the real Culprit is Enjoying his holidays in USA.

 

[Patriots]

Eleven criminals were charged. There was no evidence against the president so he was released.
Rangers releases pictures of arrested suspects from Sunni Tehreek center | Pakistan | Dunya News

''Qadri said, The PST believes in complete cooperation with the the law enforcement agencies."

Why should the Rangers take any further action against the president if his Sunni Tehreek is now co-operating with Law Enforcement? As long as the criminals are prosecuted, there's no problem.

So now you're moving the goal posts. You said 'land-grabbers' in general. Now you want specific ones, come on, give us a break. This is the height of propagandist bull.

If you have evidence against SSP Malir, go present it to the courts and media. Otherwise, spare us the regurgitated MQM propaganda.

I've proven that MQM isn't being targeted alone. That's the end of the victimization story.

Lol ST is cooperating but MQM didn't ... When did MQM resist against them..??? Let me know just single incident that MQM or its workers retaliate .......

 

[Patriots]

Aamir Khan probably refused to co-operate. There was evidence of Aamir Khan interacting and being involved with them. That's just what's publicly available, a lot of it is confidential.

What kind of argument this is "might have-probably"..????
Bhai Jaan if Amir Khan had resisted then you would have seen same picture as Lyari ... Cl. Tahir said that they are not arresting Amir Khan ... He was their guest ... They will just discuss him some matters regarding things which have been occurred during raid ... But very next day they presented like a criminal and later detained for 90 days .......

When did he resist in whole episode......???

 

[TankMan]

What kind of argument this is "might have-probably"..????

The exact same argument as ''the Rangers kept Aamir Khan for 90 days only because he was MQM''.
They had reasons, which are not publicly available. Any argument on that is purely speculation.

When did MQM resist against them..

Every single time there is any action taken against elements within MQM, Altaf Bhai threatens to raise an Army and close down Karachi. That is resistance.

What kind of refusal to Co-operate we are talking about really???

Whatever happened in the interrogations. Refusal to give information.

Wow what a way to handle the situation by Rangers my hats off.

Your sarcasm falls flat on its face because it was indeed a good way to handle the situation. Better than Altaf's reaction ''buy weapons and take commando training to fight the rangers''.

None of them were Brought to media with their Confessional Statements and non of them are used for Maligning and Humiliating Campaigns like MQM workers.

That's because none of them were defended by their respective parties until they confessed.

Do you even see how they have brought people in front of ATC which include Aamir Khan as well while others were setting free within hours.

They took 11 people from the Sunni Tehreek to the ATC. Just because the President was released within hours doesn't mean everyone was.

Illegal weapons are found only under MQM while no Weapons have found under other groups.

Weapons have been found under other groups and they took action against those other groups. But the leaders of those other groups did not make telephonic khitaabs giving threats to the Law Enforcement agencies after that action was taken, unlike MQM.

Karachi had been full of weapons and it was all thanks to Zulfiqar Mirza

It wasn't him alone. Who are you trying to fool by saying that? Did Zulfiqar Mirza also give MQM weapons? Yeah, I know, poor MQM got all those military-grade weapons to protect themselves from Zulfiqar Mirza. I'm sure you'll find a way to justify target killings too.

 

[Gazi]

The exact same argument as ''the Rangers kept Aamir Khan for 90 days only because he was MQM''.
They had reasons, which are not publicly available. Any argument on that is purely speculation.

Then apply same so called REASONS to Sarwat Ijaz Qadri, Aurengzaib Farooqui and Zardari as well otherwise Questions would be arise and reaction would come in aggressive manner.

Every single time there is any action taken against elements within MQM, Altaf Bhai threatens to raise an Army and close down Karachi. That is resistance.

Altaf wants Communication to understand the Rangers point of view and to tell them their Point of View as well if this is not granted then he is known for reacting Aggressively and overdoing things while creating a mess as well. So Complications need to be resolved through communications that is all.

Whatever happened in the interrogations. Refusal to give information.

Sarwat Ijaz Qadri spit out names of every individual within few hours and Rangers got convinced and let him go while Aamir Khan was Brought to ATC Chained and Blindfolded and he said nothing. I think me and you both knows what Happens in Interrogations.

Your sarcasm falls flat on its face because it was indeed a good way to handle the situation. Better than Altaf's reaction ''buy weapons and take commando training to fight the rangers''.

He has Habit of Overdoing things and its well known habit if Rangers are actually CONCERNED with peace then they should have also avoided creating this mess as well as long as they dont want to and their Actual Target is MQM on whatever basis they find.

That's because none of them were defended by their respective parties until they confessed.

Confession Statements came during NA 246 By Elections and when that was over no Confessional Statements got leaked except for Rao Anwaar's BS. I dont know what would you call it but for me it was Politically Motivated to target MQM for NA 246 By elections.

They took 11 people from the Sunni Tehreek to the ATC. Just because the President was released within hours doesn't mean everyone was.

Treatment should have been Equal to both as both were SUSPECT and taken in Custody otherwise EXPLANATION is due on Rangers in that scenario.

Weapons have been found under other groups and they took action against those other groups. But the leaders of those other groups did not make telephonic khitaabs giving threats to the Law Enforcement agencies after that action was taken, unlike MQM.

Did they figure out who Provided them???A person who CLAIMED openly without any pressure that he distributed them is sitting in USA right now not once Questioned for his Involvement while MQM which actually Provided Licenses of those weapons are still facing everything. So tell me it isnt one sided.

It wasn't him alone. Who are you trying to fool by saying that? Did Zulfiqar Mirza also give MQM weapons? Yeah, I know, poor MQM got all those military-grade weapons to protect themselves from Zulfiqar Mirza. I'm sure you'll find a way to justify target killings too.

He Himself Claimed Openly and Confidently that he supplied Weapons to COUNTER MQM. If this is why MQM had weapons then they were Justified to have one because they were under threat from Zulfiqar Mirza's people using weapons against them and also against Taliban as their Presence in Karachi is well known especially after SWAT IDPs comes to Karachi.

 

[TankMan]

Then apply same so called REASONS to Sarwat Ijaz Qadri, Aurengzaib Farooqui and Zardari

How can I apply them if we're assuming that those reasons don't exist in these cases? You're stumbling over your own, or maybe it's @Patriots ' argument.

otherwise Questions would be arise and reaction would come in aggressive manner.

Is that supposed to be a typical MQM threat?

Altaf wants Communication to understand the Rangers point of view and to tell them their Point of View as well if this is not granted then he is known for reacting Aggressively and overdoing things while creating a mess as well. So Complications need to be resolved through communications that is all.

And how is making an inflammatory telephonic khitab considered ''communications''? MQM can use official channels if they want communication, or speak directly to the Rangers authorities.

No need to start raising an Army and getting commando training. That's not communication, that's incitement to violence.

they should have also avoided creating this mess as well

How? By letting MQM criminals roam free?

their Actual Target is MQM

Their target is criminals. If MQM will continue to shelter criminals, then yes, their target will be MQM.

Confession Statements came during NA 246 By Elections and when that was over no Confessional Statements got leaked except for Rao Anwaar's BS.

Weren't Saulat Mirza's first confessional statements leaked long before anyone even dreamed of the NA-246 by elections?

And why are you dismissing the confessional statements presented by Rao Anwar? Only to prove your point - that's called intellectual dishonesty.

Treatment should have been Equal to both as both were SUSPECT and taken in Custody otherwise EXPLANATION is due on Rangers in that scenario.

The difference is that some of them were no longer considered suspects, while the others remained suspects. That's how it works with Law Enforcement all over the world.

It appears MQM has a problem with the very idea of Law Enforcement.

Did they figure out who Provided them???

Yes, in many cases, small-time weapon dealers and weapon smugglers were arrested.

MQM which actually Provided Licenses of those weapons are still facing everything.

How did MQM manage to provide licenses for weapons that are illegal for civilian possession and can not be licensed?

He Himself Claimed Openly and Confidently that he supplied Weapons to COUNTER MQM. If this is why MQM had weapons then they were Justified to have one because they were under threat from Zulfiqar Mirza's people using weapons against them and also against Taliban as their Presence in Karachi is well known especially after SWAT IDPs comes to Karachi.

MQM having illegal weapons is not justified by others having illegal weapons. If I was to gather weapons to fight MQM and say that it's justified because MQM has them, would you say the same?

As for your link, first of all, why do you consider that confessional statement to be credible but not Saulat Mirza's or the ones provided by Rao Anwar? Hypocrisy? And this exact same confessional statement that you have linked to also says:

It is very clear that the MQM is not a political party; it is a mafia that controls the city in the same manner. The MQM has different wings in its organizational structure. Its so-called political wing blackmailed government to secure their illegal activities. A large number of terrorists of the MQM got training in other countries like India, Sri Lanka etc.

So, do you agree with this? If not, then that means you don't consider this to be credible - so either you accept the allegations about MQM, or your argument collapses.

Secondly, that is about the Peoples' Aman Committee, which has been targeted extensively. And, by the way, Uzair Baloch has been questioned multiple times.

 

[Gazi]

How can I apply them if we're assuming that those reasons don't exist in these cases? You're stumbling over your own, or maybe it's @Patriots ' argument.

Oh yes they dont have any Target Killers or Bhatta collector in them they are as clean from all sides. Good Joke. If MQM leaders can be Detained for Three months without any FIR or without Charges then same thing can also be applied to them because in the end they are SUSPECTS.

Is that supposed to be a typical MQM threat?

Threat or Reaction whatever it is but it is coming after Maligning, Humiliating Campaigns and Allegedly Torturing people to accept Crimes they might have not Committed.

And how is making an inflammatory telephonic khitab considered ''communications''? MQM can use official channels if they want communication, or speak directly to the Rangers authorities.

No need to start raising an Army and getting commando training. That's not communication, that's incitement to violence.

You heard the Phrase agar ghee seedhi Ungli say na niklay etc. he is doing same thing because what is happening to MQM is believe to be unfair and he asking for Explanation for this unfair attitude. No MQM member is part of current Apax Committee despite having Opposition leader in Sindh Assembly and representing a city where this operation is in progress so its Rangers which has shut down lines of Communication not MQM.

How? By letting MQM criminals roam free?

Communicate why they are Arresting XYZ, ABC people and taking MQM in Confidence regarding their Agenda.

Weren't Saulat Mirza's first confessional statements leaked long before anyone even dreamed of the NA-246 by elections?

And why are you dismissing the confessional statements presented by Rao Anwar? Only to prove your point - that's called intellectual dishonesty.

Nabile gabol Resigned two days before 9-0 Raid and Dates of NA 246 By elections were Announced before 21-3-15 when Saulat Mirza Statement came to surface.

Rao Anwaar is Corrupt officer and he is well known throughout Karachi for Fake Encounters(Mostly Pashtun people and Land Owners in Malir) and Land Grabbing as well so he is already way more dirty himself to claim something on the first place.

The difference is that some of them were no longer considered suspects, while the others remained suspects. That's how it works with Law Enforcement all over the world.

It appears MQM has a problem with the very idea of Law Enforcement.

On what basis they cant be considered Suspect???No Target killers found, No Weapons Found, they are in GOOD BOOKS of Rangers for any reason unknown or they are part of some kind of Scheme like PTI??

Yes, in many cases, small-time weapon dealers and weapon smugglers were arrested.

Have you checked the link???It mentioned 300,000 Licensed Weapons who would arrange something of that level without Govt. Approvals???I dont thing Arms Dealers can provide that much at least.

How did MQM manage to provide licenses for weapons that are illegal for civilian possession and can not be licensed?

They got Permits and Licenses from Govt. agencies most probably by citing Taliban, Banned Sectarian Outfits, Gangwar threats if they were Fake then MQM should have been asked about them but so far nothing has been done.

MQM having illegal weapons is not justified by others having illegal weapons. If I was to gather weapons to fight MQM and say that it's justified because MQM has them, would you say the same?

As for your link, first of all, why do you consider that confessional statement to be credible but not Saulat Mirza's or the ones provided by Rao Anwar? Hypocrisy? And this exact same confessional statement that you have linked to also says:

MQM weapons licenses and Permits were Submitted and Checked probably by know and if something is missing then Provide the details of missing weapons with Judicial Magistrate Signature who is in charge of Raid then ask to submit the document.

Zulfiqar Mirza's Confessional Statement was NOT given under Custody or under any Influence of any kind like Saulat Mirza or others he was Free and Powerful man during his time serving as Interior Minister Sindh and most IMPORTANTLY standing alongside Uzair Baluch if I remember correctly.

So, do you agree with this? If not, then that means you don't consider this to be credible - so either you accept the allegations about MQM, or your argument collapses.

Secondly, that is about the Peoples' Aman Committee, which has been targeted extensively. And, by the way, Uzair Baloch has been questioned multiple times.

He can always go to Court and PROVE MQM Guilty in Court and I wish him best of Luck for that if he Likes to otherwise Empty Allegations cant feed anyone for long. BTW how about this explosive revelation in the same article:

“I released the killers because I wanted to see Pakistan flourish,” Mirza said to an enthralled audience.

Secondly, that is about the Peoples' Aman Committee, which has been targeted extensively. And, by the way, Uzair Baloch has been questioned multiple times.

Was Mirza Questioned so far????It is Mirza who is real Culprit in distributing Weapons not Uzair Baluch because Uzair Baluch was BENEFICIARY of that only. It was actually because of Mirza whole Target Killing went to Record Level after he became Interior Minister of Sindh otherwise Karachi was Relatively PEACEFUL during whole Musharraf's period except for infamous 12 May2007 and 27Dec.2007.

 

[Cent4]

Why is this tread still open? Poll is closed isnt it?

 

[Patriots]

The exact same argument as ''the Rangers kept Aamir Khan for 90 days only because he was MQM''.
They had reasons, which are not publicly available. Any argument on that is purely speculation.

Childish argument ... Each n everything rangers disclose but reason don 't ... Good going .......

Every single time there is any action taken against elements within MQM, Altaf Bhai threatens to raise an Army and close down Karachi. That is resistance.

My dear TT ... You should know the difference between protest and retaliation ... I am using the word "resistence" for "retaliation" not for protest ........

Wouldn't you people allow peaceful protest now

 

[TankMan]

Childish argument ... Each n everything rangers disclose but reason don 't ... Good going .......

The whole point of keeping things undisclosed is that the public wouldn't know about it. How would you know that they haven't kept things other than their reasons undisclosed?

My dear TT ... You should know the difference between protest and retaliation ... I am using the word "resistence" for "retaliation" not for protest ........

My dear Senior Member, you should know that you can't just decide to use words for things other than their meanings.

I am using the word ''resistance'' for ''resistance'', not for completely different things like ''retaliation'' or ''protest''. If I meant 'retaliation' or 'protest', I would use the words 'retaliation' and 'protest'.

But both retaliation and protest are forms of resistance.

The line of thinking of MQMers never fails to surprise - what do you even mean by 'retaliation'? How can a political party even think of 'retaliating' against its own nation's Law Enforcement? Then you people complain about lawlessness.

And this is supposed to be the ''most educated'' and ''most civilized'' party.

Wouldn't you people allow peaceful protest now

It would be allowed but won't be seen as co-operation. It is still resistance, though it is legal resistance.

However, Altaf's hate speech and incitement to violence is not 'peaceful'.

 

[Patriots]

The whole point of keeping things undisclosed is that the public wouldn't know about it. How would you know that they haven't kept things other than their reasons undisclosed?

I am just curios that they disclose to media each n every update about MQM's arrested people ... But reason is the only thing which should not to be disclosed .....

You are just arguing for the sake of argument ........

My dear Senior Member, you should know that you can't just decide to use words for things other than their meanings.

I am using the word ''resistance'' for ''resistance'', not for completely different things like ''retaliation'' or ''protest''. If I meant 'retaliation' or 'protest', I would use the words 'retaliation' and 'protest'.

But both retaliation and protest are forms of resistance.

The line of thinking of MQMers never fails to surprise - what do you even mean by 'retaliation'? How can a political party even think of 'retaliating' against its own nation's Law Enforcement? Then you people complain about lawlessness.

And this is supposed to be the ''most educated'' and ''most civilized'' party.

See what I wrote in my previous post .....

Lol ST is cooperating but MQM didn't ... When did MQM resist against them..??? Let me know just single incident that MQM or its workers retaliate .......

Yup I was talking about retaliation ... That if MQM not cooperative then there must had retaliation like Lyari .....
And yes MQM is a political party that is why they didn't do so ... But protest could not be called "NON COOPERATION" .......

It would be allowed but won't be seen as co-operation. It is still resistance, though it is legal resistance.

If they had formed monitoring committee then you wouldn't have seen protests .......

 

[taimur12]

mqm is a reality and like all other political parties it has its strengths and its weaknesses. maligning mqm as traitors, raw agents, target killers, or bhatta mafia is very naive.

 

[WAJsal]

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This is impartial operation...?? Really...?????

Feel like banging my head on the wall, you genius this is what a criminal is saying in Rangers custody. It has nothing to do with what Rangers are saying.

 

[Gazi]

Feel like banging my head on the wall, you genius this is what a criminal is saying in Rangers custody. It has nothing to do with what Rangers are saying.

According to Rangers Investigation MQM was involved while after Investigation it was Safora Goth Incident perpetrators. Confusion from every side who to trust and whom not to. They have mishandled Everything already.

 

[TankMan]

I am just curios that they disclose to media each n every update about MQM's arrested people ... But reason is the only thing which should not to be disclosed .....

There is a big difference in disclosing that people have been arrested and disclosing the details of the whole case and why they have been arrested.

up I was talking about retaliation ... That if MQM not cooperative then there must had retaliation like Lyari .....

You were talking about retaliation and I was talking about resistance and non-cooperation. No, there would be no retaliation if MQM was non-cooperative. Simply protesting and making such statements is non-cooperation.

But protest could not be called "NON COOPERATION"

Look up the definition of 'non-cooperation'. Yes, the protest is non-cooperation.

MQM is resisting Law Enforcement. It is not co-operative.

Allegedly Torturing people to accept Crimes they might have not Committed.

Allegedly. That's the keyword. MQM is presenting it as actually, when they are purely allegations. Therefore, unless MQM can prove their allegations, they are lying.

You heard the Phrase agar ghee seedhi Ungli say na niklay etc. he is doing same thing because what is happening to MQM is believe to be unfair and he asking for Explanation for this unfair attitude.

He is not asking for any explanation. He is trying to raise an army and threatening to start a terrorist Civil War campaign to break Pakistan. That is not just 'ungli'.

Dates of NA 246 By elections were Announced before 21-3-15 when Saulat Mirza Statement came to surface.

I said Saulat Mirza's OLD video.
The one below was uploaded in 2013. I'm not sure when it surfaced, but it was long before 21-3-15.

They got Permits and Licenses from Govt. agencies most probably by citing Taliban, Banned Sectarian Outfits, Gangwar threats if they were Fake then MQM should have been asked about them but so far nothing has been done.

I didn't know you can break the law and just 'get permits' by 'citing Taliban etc threats'.
Nothing has been done? The weapons have been ceased.

Pehle kehte ho ziyada karwai ho rahi hai phir kehte ho ''nothing has been done'', ajeeb admi ho meray bhai.

Zulfiqar Mirza's Confessional Statement was NOT given under Custody or under any Influence of any kind like Saulat Mirza or others he was Free and Powerful man

And the same is true for Rao Anwar, or Zulfiqar Mirza's statements against MQM.

You can't just say ''all the confessions against MQM are wrong but all the confession against other people are right''.
That's called double standards.

He can always go to Court and PROVE MQM Guilty in Court

Then I will say the exact same thing about MQM : MQM can go to court and prove the Army, Rangers, ISI, BBC, Scotland Yard and so on guilty in court.

On what basis they cant be considered Suspect???No Target killers found, No Weapons Found, they are in GOOD BOOKS of Rangers for any reason unknown or they are part of some kind of Scheme like PTI??

No weapons found. Read the article:
''There was no report about the recovery of weapons or other illegal items during the raid.''
''the raid was conducted after receiving information on the possible presence of suspects.''

No need for MQM propagandist conspiracy theories.