PTI was Danger to Pakistan, Pakistan wouldn't survive with them : General Bajwa

[VCheng]

Like I told @SQ8 in another thread, this country is wired all wrong.

Or it is wired correctly. The AC runs there, and the bills go over there. Sound familiar?

 

[villageidiot]

Please ask @salarsikander for my email, if he still has it. Or any member of the administration.

I see. I suppose he was as inquisitive too?

I am staying on topic, if you kindly permit me.

Please don't let me keep you.

Allow me to end this discussion with something I am reminded of.

A marasi went to Chaudary sb's dera and asked for his daughter's hand for his own son. Ch. sb was understandably furious and had the marasi beat up.

After the beating, the marasi got up, dusted off his clothes and said:
"Chaudary sb, Fer me naa hi samjhan?"

 

[VCheng]

I see. I suppose he was as inquisitive too?

If you can guarantee no repercussions, I can share my email here. It is not like it is something many people do not already know.

 

[villageidiot]

This place hosts Pakistan’s best and brightest btw… lmfao

Who said that?

 

[ziaulislam]

Don't do this to yourselves. You have bought into a narrative that is blind to the other side's perspective.

Grant that Gen Bajwa is a thinking man. The easiest thing for him was to ride out the PTI term and retire into the sunset. Yet, there were important imperatives that were getting into the way of his peaceful retirement.

As is the case with everyone, this is not to suggest the Gen did not make mistakes, but so did Khan sahib with some that were costly to our country.

Agree everyone else are duffers
Just army men have IQ.
There superior IQ start with sir yes sir and ends with sir yes sir

Everyone else be it doctors engnr bankers economicst taxation experts It specialists all are duffers.

Our history just proves how their superior intellect has saved Pakistan beit 1947 Kashmir war, 1971, siachen, or kargil ..

what is the oath that these Pindi boises take when they become officers? And if they break their oath the are worse than the heera mandi ki rundi,
Also, it was the same begharats who tortured Mother of Natin Fatimah ali jannah, and the loser Field marshall use to call her kutti k bachi, lol same shit narrative was used back then


not his fking job to run the country. PERIOD

It's job of military to run everything as Pakistani are slaves

Also army have superior intellect

Bringing Dar and firing miftah shows how unique and superior intellect does army and their supporters have..

 

[blain2]

The quoted article and the general backhand dealings means that regardless of whether there was overt action or not - the constitution was subverted. That is akin to saying we didn’t steal from the bank with guns, we just hacked its systems.

Be it bringing PTI in, or taking it out - or interfering in the process from the get go - when you engineer a system you are not qualified to design or run just for your side benefit or even by some misplaced altruism - you cause more ruin than good.

That applies to every field - and regardless of prodigal awakenings by any Pakistani in whatever unrelated profession they are, they cannot replace education, experience and expertise in a particular field that comes from being in it.

Call Iskandar Mirza the fool who let Ayub and his follow up ruin in, but that has caused more damage to Pakistan’s military profession and capabilities than any of the Sharifs, Bhuttos or Zardaris could ever do… because even now, they can always say “mujhe kyun nikala” and wash away their sins with it.

Unless that is owned up to and regardless of how badly it impacts Pakistan(or its lack therof) in the short run.. the trust that the military and its blind followers claim to have every other forum wont return and at the end the eastern neighbor will have the ultimate victory after already beating Pakistan black and blue ok every front

You won't find me defending the bank heist. That is patently wrong and not the role of the army. I have not defended the act, only stated that we have certain ground realities at play.

The reason I called out the in/out situation is because the heist to get PTI in is all good and dandy in the minds of many here, while the one to get them out wasn't. So the issue is that these people are not defending the principle of it, rather they are opportunistic in their bashing of the establishment because things did not go in their favor (and I say this having sympathy for them/PTI as I would vote for PTI over any of the rest). But I disagree with the line of reasoning being used to criticize the military.

Agree everyone else are duffers
Just army men have IQ.
There superior IQ start with sir yes sir and ends with sir yes sir

Everyone else be it doctors engnr bankers economicst taxation experts It specialists all are duffers.

Our history just proves how their superior intellect has saved Pakistan beit 1947 Kashmir war, 1971, siachen, or kargil ..


It's job of military to run everything as Pakistani are slaves

Also army have superior intellect
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Bringing Dar and firing miftah shows how unique and superior intellect does army and their supporters have..

Done venting?

 

[villageidiot]

If you can guarantee no repercussions, I can share my email here. It is not like it is something many people do not already know.

Thank you but I can't prevent spam bots nor anyone on this forum with a bone to pick with you from misusing it.

It's okay though. We can have a discussion on any thread if you feel like digressing from the topic.

It's late. I'll get our of your hair now. See you around. Good day.

 

[El Sidd]

I never knew Javed Chowdary had so much credibility here in the forum and amongst fans.

Maybe Geo and Express have won the hearts of the fans and not-fans alike.

 

[Riz]

This was the danger
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He deserves nishan e begairat for successfully saving us from the dangerous imran khan and PTI

 

[TigerOfMysore]

Pathetic attempt to muddy the waters.
Bajwa and his lot has intrinsically changed Pakistan. And they are not done.
The Army as an institution especially in the leadership has generally accepted that the Egypt model (with some modifications) is the model they are going to follow. They are not doing this out of their love for Pakistan. They are doing it to save their skins. Current senior positions are still concerned around accountability around the Government (Cipher) and late night termination. That is an Article 6 event. Second they are concerned deeply about the Arshad Shareef killing and being held accountable for it. For them it is literally a matter of survival and they will cling on till the end. Any expectation that the Army will change is only in the minds of those who really dont understand how regimented the Pak Army is. They will follow their leaders over the edge.

You combine that with the general system of patronage and money within the system and you can see that everyone is invested in sustaining this limping process. IK fault is he has revolutionary thinking, but acts in a liberal democratic western minded fashion. HE WILL LOSE THIS FIGHT.

Now these guys who are making these decisions are not smart. I say this because I know their types (having spent time in many settings) - personally, and their span of thinking, analysis, breath of knowledge that is so limited (even in their own domains - barring exceptions) it will shock you. So they will think this is the right thing they are doing. But what they are doing is making the eventual fall harder and rougher.

IK or PTI can in large measure be broken and controlled. Eventually IK will have a heart attack or an accident. But what they will do is give rise to harsher forces, and turn the country totally into a subservient stooge. As the ruling elite straddles the US lines, expect the Chinese to draw their conclusion. And then expect the real fireworks to go off. Pakistan will be the looser in the end of this, as these small men, will grab their belongings and their families and enjoy the comforts of their assets in Australia, Belgium, UK and the US.

 

[nahtanbob]

please Uncle Sam has nothing to do with your internal shit show

Is there any factual evidence of Bajwa's personal wealth?

I need validated facts, not hearsay.

100 Papa John pizza franchises is all I have heard

 

[HAIDER]

If you can guarantee no repercussions, I can share my email here. It is not like it is something many people do not already know.

I know you email address... cheech&cheng@hotmail.com..lol

please Uncle Sam has nothing to do with your internal shit show



100 Papa John pizza franchises is all I have heard

lol

There are only two sides to this question. Every man must be for the United States or against it. There can be no neutrals in this war; only patriots and traitors.

Stephen Douglas

 

[Sayfullah]

Thanks for posting. Before the general is condemned with the usual, people should pay heed to some of this. It cannot be all wrong. Some missteps were costly, some immature and some outright stupidity.

Army is not allowed to interfere with the civil government and interfere in its matters. Even if bajwa was a patriot, he’s a traitor for interfering with the democratic process of the country and getting involved in things that don’t concern him. I’m amazed how your openly defending such treachery which undermined the democracy of Pakistan. Secondly, pdm, pmln and ppp are all defenders of Pakistani interests and muhafiz of Pakistan? Was PTI worse than this pdm set up?
You talk about pti supporters being a cult. Maybe you should look at all your previous posts on pdf since IK lost power. You have become a cult follower of bajwa who defends him no matter what the case is because apparently bajwa cannot be wrong.

 

[Gripen9]

Pathetic attempt to muddy the waters.
Bajwa and his lot has intrinsically changed Pakistan. And they are not done.
The Army as an institution especially in the leadership has generally accepted that the Egypt model is the model they are going to follow. They are not doing this out of their love for Pakistan. They are doing it to save their skins. Current senior positions are still concerned around accountability around the Government (Cipher) and late night termination. That is an Article 6 event. Second they are concerned deeply about the Arshad Shareef killing and being held accountable for it. For them it is literally a matter of survival and they will cling on till the end. Any expectation that the Army will change is only in the minds of those who really dont understand how regimented the Pak Army is. They will follow their leaders over the edge.

You combine that with the general system of patronage and money within the system and you can see that everyone is invested in sustaining this limping process. IK fault is he has revolutionary thinking, but acts in a liberal democratic western minded fashion. HE WILL LOSE THIS FIGHT.

Now these guys who are making these decisions are not smart. I say this because I know their types (having spent time in many settings) - personally, and their span of thinking, analysis, breath of knowledge that is so limited (even in their own domains) it will shock you. So they will think this is the right thing they are doing. But what they are doing is making the eventual fall harder and rougher.

IK or PTI can in large measure be broken and controlled. Eventually IK will have a heart attack or an accident. But what they will do is give rise to harsher forces, and turn the country totally into a subservient stooge. As the ruling elite straddles the US lines, expect the Chinese to draw their conclusion. And then expect the real fireworks to go off. Pakistan will be the looser in the end of this, as these small men, will grab their belongings and their families and enjoy the comforts of their assets in Australia, Belgium, UK and the US.

My sentiments exactly. You have succinctly explained the situation. Grab a tiger by its tail, beware of its claws. These jokers are now riding a hungry tiger, only way they can stay alive is to kill it otherwise will be eaten alive.

@blain2 had stated earlier, the IK made massive blunders that would have destroyed the country. Would you care to elaborate on those?

Here are some data points that I have been told about:
6% increase in GDP for 2 years even during COVID
10% increase in Large Scale Manufacturing
Record increase in agri production.
Foreign Remittances at record levels
Tax revenue increased to over 6000 B rupees.
Nascent IT sector (freelancing) taking off due to tax breaks provided.

yes there was inflation which is a global phenomenon at the moment. But people had some revenues. I have friends in the Kasur area who said Punjab Gov actively helped getting seeds and diesel to farmers for timely crop production and increasing yields.

My biggest gripe with PTI government was with such open and shut money laundering cases against Shahbaz n sons as well as Zardari ala omni group, why weren't they even indicted let alone convicted. We now know that Voldermort & Co were pulling the strings from behind the curtains. to keep them as counter weight to IK.

Another trope that is trotted out is, that PTI was brought in power by the military in 2018. People tell me it is the other way around. RTS was brought down and PTI that was winning on atleast 18 seats in Punjab lost those and hence did not have outright majority. Yes they then engineered (or steered) MQM, BAP, the South Punjab independents to join PTI and form coalition (read hobbled) government which they can "legally" dismiss whenever they wanted to. I am from Karachi. Army didn't help PTI stuff ballots, rather it made sure MQM and PPP goons didn't do exactly that. PTI won those seats because people voted for their candidates.
And the solution to save Pakistan was to bring these corrupt and inept jokers under PDM into power who have ground the country's economy into the ground.


As you have mentioned, Army senior leadership has subrogated the constitution and prime candidate for Article 6 proceedings. When these jokers openly accept and say, we used to meddle in politics but now we don't... full stop go to jail straight without collecting $200.

 

[VCheng]

Thank you but I can't prevent spam bots nor anyone on this forum with a bone to pick with you from misusing it.

It's okay though. We can have a discussion on any thread if you feel like digressing from the topic.

It's late. I'll get our of your hair now. See you around. Good day.

Or seriously, ask @SQ8 or @AgNoStiC MuSliM for that info. I would hate for you to think meri taraf sey naa thi with reference to your joke above.