PTI-led govt will prioritise Kashmir problem: Imran Khan

[batmannow]

Ameen .

all this talk of education & making poverty finish from both countries can happen with hving nuckes also?
our nucks arent only for us?
its not pakistan is the only threat india is facing now, & its not india the only threat pakistan facing now?
with nucks in our pilles, we hve closed the doors for others to bully us on a problem like kashmir?

 

[Kompromat]

Plus you are missing the armies of both sides and hardliners in your list of usual suspects. What do you think will happen to the little kingdoms of the generals and hardliners on both sides if this issue gets solved. Will Pakistani army be such a powerful organization if India is no longer an arch enemy with a large chunk of captured territory. ? Same with Indian army.. Though significantly less political, its still extremely turf conscious and knows that China can never be made such a large threat to justify a 35 billion USD military budget.

Bravo!

And dont even get me started on the likes of Geelani, Hafiz Saeed and the Thakrey clan...

These people are, opportunists, they only come when there is uncertainty, lack of good governance, trust deficit and a power vacuum. The day both stakeholders move on, these elements will become less significant and will lose their popular agenda and would be left to bite dust.

 

[Contrarian]

Someone told me that we were very close to striking a deal with India to fix it up and then the govt changed. I, am sick of this madness and i am in no mood for being consumed in another stupid conflict based on Kashmir. I, just wish that one day the saner heads will prevail and if not us, our kids will be able to live in a free, friendly and integrated S.Asia.

Yes we were. And do you know what was that deal? It involved Zero change in territories.

I have got to ask you a simple question and answer me realistically.

No one in India gives a damn that Kashmir is still a dispute. You may(?) find it hard to believe but Kashmir is just not as big a deal in India as it is in Pakistan considering as India currently owns it and it is a small territory in a very big country. You may have heard many a times as all Indians say, India doesnt want any part of Azad Kashmir We are happy with what we have. Its just not that big a deal.

The ONLY time people get worked up is when bombs are exploding in other cities.

Now, since the people of India dont care about Kashmir altogether, let alone not being able to sleep tonight why would they want to part with a piece of territory? Because "Kashmiris want it"?
Do You think the rest give a damn?

Secondly, what benefit does India get if Kashmir is resolved. Think about it very carefully.

1. We dont get a peace divident, because our military spending is 1.9% of our GDP - the second lowest in South Asia!
2. It cannot get lower than that as we have China to compete with - regardless of Pakistan's conflict.
3.Trade? Kashmir is not that high on the trading parts of the world.
4. Economy? India has been consistently growing quite fast over the last decade and a half with full problems. What makes you think that the lure of another 1% growth will make the Indian public change their mind.

What do we get by separating from Kashmir? Nothing.

On the other hand, we gain a LOT when we have Kashmir.

1. Rivers pass through Kashmir, electricity is generated from those rivers.
2. These same rivers act as major leverage against Pakistan.
3. We get to keep a large chunk of Chinese territory separated from Pakistan - even though Pakistan already has a border with China - the logistics are extreme.
4. We get to have a border with the NW China, again strategically important.
5. We dont have yet another player in the region which may or maynot have a different strategic goal from India. Better to have fewer players in South Asia.

We have lots to gain from keeping kashmir and nothing to gain by letting it go.

Now think about these questions with this thought. We dont have dictatorships, the Govt of India cannot sign a deal giving away Kashmir either to Pakistan or to form an independent state without passing it through the Parliament with special majority. Had there been a dictator he/she could have ramrod his/her solution onto India. Since that is not the case, the only viable route is through the entire Parliament.
This is written in the Constitution, any cessation of territory has to be authorized directly by the Parliament.

Now tell me, do you think is it ever feasible to separate from Kashmir.

 

[Kompromat]

One hell of a theory, but I think eliminating local stakeholders/supporters first would be the path to take rather than blaming foreign hand first!

Even, when they come in the same glove some **** breaks loose. There has to be a deterrent otherwise, we will keep playing in the hands of international corporate interests and govts that make cash out of our misery.

 

[Kompromat]

Yes we were. And do you know what was that deal? It involved Zero change in territories.

I have got to ask you a simple question and answer me realistically.

No one in India gives a damn that Kashmir is still a dispute. You may(?) find it hard to believe but Kashmir is just not as big a deal in India as it is in Pakistan considering as India currently owns it and it is a small territory in a very big country. You may have heard many a times as all Indians say, India doesnt want any part of Azad Kashmir We are happy with what we have. Its just not that big a deal.

The ONLY time people get worked up is when bombs are exploding in other cities.

Now, since the people of India dont care about Kashmir altogether, let alone not being able to sleep tonight why would they want to part with a piece of territory? Because "Kashmiris want it"?
Do You think the rest give a damn?

Secondly, what benefit does India get if Kashmir is resolved. Think about it very carefully.

1. We dont get a peace divident, because our military spending is 1.9% of our GDP - the second lowest in South Asia!
2. It cannot get lower than that as we have China to compete with - regardless of Pakistan's conflict.
3.Trade? Kashmir is not that high on the trading parts of the world.
4. Economy? India has been consistently growing quite fast over the last decade and a half with full problems. What makes you think that the lure of another 1% growth will make the Indian public change their mind.

What do we get by separating from Kashmir? Nothing.

On the other hand, we gain a LOT when we have Kashmir.

1. Rivers pass through Kashmir, electricity is generated from those rivers.
2. These same rivers act as major leverage against Pakistan.
3. We get to keep a large chunk of Chinese territory separated from Pakistan - even though Pakistan already has a border with China - the logistics are extreme.
4. We get to have a border with the NW China, again strategically important.
5. We dont have yet another player in the region which may or maynot have a different strategic goal from India. Better to have fewer players in South Asia.

We have lots to gain from keeping kashmir and nothing to gain by letting it go.

Now think about these questions with this thought. We dont have dictatorships, the Govt of India cannot sign a deal giving away Kashmir either to Pakistan or to form an independent state without passing it through the Parliament with special majority. Had there been a dictator he/she could have ramrod his/her solution onto India. Since that is not the case, the only viable route is through the entire Parliament.
This is written in the Constitution, any cessation of territory has to be authorized directly by the Parliament.

Now tell me, do you think is it ever feasible to separate from Kashmir.

Thanks for such an articulated post. I, do get your point and it all makes sense, but i have to say that it brings us again back to square zero. I, believe regional harmony and pace of mind amongst 3 big countries, will set everyone flying high. A regional approach based on mutual interests will yield more benefits for all than instability and a constant threat of obliteration, driven specifically by nut jobs on all sides. Lastly, i have made it clear that Kashmirs can decide their own fate, with a greater degree of autonomy and an arrangement that suits everyone. Resolutions only come, when all perspectives are taken aboard, stubborn ostrich mentality leads to conflict. I will repeat again, that i hope one day saner heads will prevail.

 

[Contrarian]

I can list the reasons why Pakistan doesn't want an independent Kashmir either. It's simply a no go for Pakistan as well.

The only solution to Kashmir is more autonomy within Indian union and free movement of goods and people between the two kashmirs.

 

[karan.1970]

I can list the reasons why Pakistan doesn't want an independent Kashmir either. It's simply a no go for Pakistan as well.

The only solution to Kashmir is more autonomy within Indian union and free movement of goods and people between the two kashmirs.

Think of it.. Jingoism aside, can anyone list a single downside of the above solution.. ? specially from where we stand today...