PTI Leadership Has No Clue What It’s Doing

[Olympus81]

Some of you guys need to understand diplomacy. We look at the world with a myopic binary view, and that’s the downfall.

Few examples, post Cold War, we refused to engage Russia, with alliance with China, we refuse to engage Taiwan, with Kashmir issue, we refuse to engage India and the list goes on.

China and India don’t get along and have border skirmishes, but they have good trade relations. Same with India Russia US. Or Israel UAE, China Japan, China Philippines, China Vietnam, I can go on and on.

Coming back to the topic of absolutely not. The answer to if bases would be provided to US. Imran Khan was correct in answering that as that has been a cornerstone of his policy. Now does ‘absolutely not’ means, we won’t have trade relations with you or cater to your interests in Afghanistan or hound you out of Pakistan? No it does not. Please understand the difference.

Yes the RCO happened, and the US state department clerk words are embossed in the MoM. On IK side, he has made anti US statements and blurted out idiotic statements post Afghan withdrawal (Afghans breaking the shackles of slavery etc) but does that mean IK and US become eternal enemies? TF, NO. The US is a global power, and Pakistan needs to engage US. In the same token US needs to engage Pakistan. There are many avenues where both can benefit.

 

[VCheng]

he is future figure as pm if election happens.

So you believe. Pehlay elekshun honey tau do.

Question is why cipher never see the light of court? when he kept asking court.

The real question is why he waited until he was out of office to ask for the cypher to be made public, when he himself could have done so when he had the authority.

If election happens anti american narative always get more votes but Its just relationship should be neutralize based on equality and this he made cleared on may 2022 in jalsa

So IK is anti-American to get more votes from the public he misleads, and then in private he wants to pursue a just relationship with them in private? Why should Americans be okay with that approach? Let him say and do whatever he feels like, but then hold hm to his views. IK cannot have his cake and eat it too.

You are mixing a few things here. There has been no reversal on question of bases or his so called narrative of not ‘supporting foreign’ wars. The conspiracy theory has taken a back stage - he has neither denied US role or propagated his old stance as well. People in Pakistan know well who did what now. Countries work together at the end of the day based on their mutual interests- not long ago PA was openly accused of deaths of US soldiers, yet Asim Munir and Bajwa are well received now. This shall pass too.

All I can agree with here is that this shall pass too. Including IK. He is history as well.

Now does ‘absolutely not’ means, we won’t have trade relations with you or cater to your interests in Afghanistan or hound you out of Pakistan? No it does not.

Right. And why should Americans help with trade and aid without getting the maximum advantage from Pakistan in return? See how that works? IK is not the only one who can set such an agenda. It is a two way street.

 

[AZ1]

So you believe. Pehlay elekshun honey tau do.



The real question is why he waited until he was out of office to ask for the cypher to be made public, when he himself could have done so when he had the authority.



So IK is anti-American to get more votes from the public he misleads, and then in private he wants to pursue a just relationship with them in private? Why should Americans be okay with that approach? Let him say and do whatever he feels like, but then hold hm to his views. IK cannot have his cake and eat it too.



All I can agree with here is that this shall pass too. Including IK. He is history as well.



Right. And why should Americans help with trade and aid without getting the maximum advantage from Pakistan in return? See how that works? IK is not the only one who can set such an agenda. It is a two way street.

your response nearly a person who knows nothing what happened that time. Its been said over and over many speeches, its been shown to all navy, army cheif etc meeting and they all agreed upon it and also made conference that indeed its real one, minutes records etc.



Either you enjoying posting against imran khan for fun or You have bughz imrani nothing else and those who have bughz are beyond repair.

Regarding election wo jab bhi ho result tou ajayega

 

[VCheng]

Regarding election wo jab bhi ho result tou ajayega

We agree then. It would be best to resume this discussion only after those results are actually out.

 

[Olympus81]

Right. And why should Americans help with trade and aid without getting the maximum advantage from Pakistan in return? See how that works? IK is not the only one who can set such an agenda. It is a two way street.

That’s the art of diplomacy. The Americans have alot more interest in Pakistan than just getting access to Pakistani airbases from which they fly drones. Its not a zero sum discussion.

The Americans and Pakistanis have a variety of things to offer each other for a mutually beneficial relationship. Of course Pakistan has a lot less things to offer. Trade, market access is a good start.

 

[VCheng]

That’s the art of diplomacy.

Agreed, but that art appears to totally elude IK. He is blunt and direct, and therefore rather undiplomatic even when there is no need to be so. Perhaps that is one of his charms to his followers.

 

[Olympus81]

Agreed, but that art appears to be totally elude IK. He is blunt and direct, and therefore rather undiplomatic even when there is no need to be so. Perhaps that is one of his charms to his followers.

Yes in some instances he should have controlled his tongue.

But my opinion, in the instance of a journalist asking if Pakistani bases would be provided, a resounding absolutely not was a good answer.

 

[alphapak]

Some idiots don't understand the difference between Friendship and trade against
a Master slave relationship.

Do you want money to get your own people killed, handed over to American or drone striked?
or do you want to deal with them on equal terms?

 

[VCheng]

Yes in some instances he should have controlled his tongue.

But my opinion, in the instance of a journalist asking if Pakistani bases would be provided, a resounding absolutely not was a good answer.

I respect your right to hold whatever opinion you wish to hold, of course. But thank you for admitting that in some instances IK should not say the things he says.

 

[Olympus81]

I respect your right to hold whatever opinion you wish to hold, of course. But thank you for admitting that in some instances IK should not say the things he says.

Thanks for your observation. I hope we continue to observe.

 

[VCheng]

Thanks for your observation. I hope we continue to observe.

Always.

 

[TheDarkKnight]

All I can agree with here is that this shall pass too. Including IK. He is history as well.

Hazaar khawahishain aisi. Anyway time will tell if IK is history yet or has more role to make.

 

[VCheng]

Hazaar khawahishain aisi. Anyway time will tell if IK is history yet or has more role to make.

Not really. His first prime ministership is indeed in the past i.e. history. All the claims of his comeback are just that for now - claims. I have no issues if he wins again in a landslide, but I will wait for actual results to see when that happens as claimed. He is on the far side of 70 years of age already, and nobody is getting any younger.

 

[Imran Khan]

hafiz is a slave of nawaz family and that is why things are worse then bajwa times

nawaz family purchase everything army SC admins civil servants everything .

asim munir is serving sharif family day and night and destroying pakistan .

 

[TheDarkKnight]

Not really. His first prime ministership is indeed in the past i.e. history. All the claims of his comeback are just that for now - claims. I have no issues if he wins again in a landslide, but I will wait for actual results to see when that happens as claimed. He is on the far side of 70 years of age already, and nobody is getting any younger.

70 is the new 60 I have seen so many predictions, even my own, about a specific politician being out/history - only to be proven wrong. Elections will be held in Pakistan and while IK isn’t getting young, PDM and establishment are not getting popular as well. Ultimately people will cast their votes, even if it gets delayed by years. US and west may not like IK, but are not going to support an undemocratic setup like in place Punjab and KPK for too long.