PTI anti Pakistan and economy stance.

[ghazi52]

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[Fasbre2]

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Patwari and patwari media spin and lies… tell ns and az to bring back the looted billions and they don’t need a billion from imf.

 

[Jungibaaz]

I cant seem to recall journalists being picked up across provinces for insulting police by saying something true and being tortured for it neither do I recall 10 months old being locked behind bars with their mothers for being wives of drievers

This is the double standards that I talk about, it was okay then but it’s not okay now. So when PEMRA messed with channel rankings, banned politicians speeches, removed or messed with channel rankings like they did with ARY recently, when journalists like Asad Toor, Matiullah Jan etc were kidnapped and tortured, it either okay or you can’t seem to recall. Plenty of people were held in NAB and other forms of detention with months before even a charge was bought before a court.

At least be consistent man, what is wrong today was also wrong then.

 

[Jungibaaz]

I myself, will not send/invest my hard-earned money in Pakistan while the criminally convicted corrupt dynasties are at the helm - what else prove you need?

If you are something, what you have done on the proven cases?
I clearly expressed myself, but I am sure you will keep changing your goal posts with ifs/buts.

If you could not see yourself, no one could lend you eyes.

Proof comes first, either you have it or it’s conjecture. Your opinion is not worth burning Pakistan’s financial prospects over. You have a political view and at least in the case of MDBs I can say with personal experience that your perception of use of proceeds being eaten by corruption needs to be proven. In fact, should you come across proof of corruption in an ADB loan project for example, tip them off, they’ll take action against the perpetrators.

Your political opinions and conjecture are not enough here, sorry. And it’s nowhere near enough to justify the wholesale destruction of Pakistan’s economy by politically motivated efforts to cause harm. If IK does it today to apply pressure and create hurdles, he’ll set a dangerous precedence for others to follow in the future. None of these politicians are worth the harm to the state.

Also, you don’t really need to do much to make the economic argument to back your conjecture that corruption is the cause of economic woes. If you had an answer, you could easily share it with me. The truth is , our economic structure, our twin deficits and lack of social and economic reforms has meant that every government in the last 20 years, without exception, has needed bailouts from multilateral lenders.

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Quick question, what’s the alternative to the IMF? I bet there are lots of brow beaten economists at the MoF and SBP who would love to know your view if you know of another option.

I backed and argued in favour of Imran when he went for IMF bailouts. When it comes to this, governments have no choice in the short-term. It’s all about medium to long term, where policy efforts may help in preventing fiscal and current account imbalances.

 

[HAIDER]

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Ansar Abbasi tweet mixed with politics as usual.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1563249572016635904

This " Arstu " found in Washington streets ,,,rolling around for " something" .

 

[TacOps]

Proof comes first, either you have it or it’s conjecture. Your opinion is not worth burning Pakistan’s financial prospects over. You have a political view and at least in the case of MDBs I can say with personal experience that your perception of use of proceeds being eaten by corruption needs to be proven. In fact, should you come across proof of corruption in an ADB loan project for example, tip them off, they’ll take action against the perpetrators.

Your political opinions and conjecture are not enough here, sorry. And it’s nowhere near enough to justify the wholesale destruction of Pakistan’s economy by politically motivated efforts to cause harm. If IK does it today to apply pressure and create hurdles, he’ll set a dangerous precedence for others to follow in the future. None of these politicians are worth the harm to the state.

Also, you don’t really need to do much to make the economic argument to back your conjecture that corruption is the cause of economic woes. If you had an answer, you could easily share it with me. The truth is , our economic structure, our twin deficits and lack of social and economic reforms has meant that every government in the last 20 years, without exception, has needed bailouts from multilateral lenders.


Quick question, what’s the alternative to the IMF? I bet there are lots of brow beaten economists at the MoF and SBP who would love to know your view if you know of another option.

I backed and argued in favour of Imran when he went for IMF bailouts. When it comes to this, governments have no choice in the short-term. It’s all about medium to long term, where policy efforts may help in preventing fiscal and current account imbalances.

You talk about proof. Can you provide proof that the letter was an attempt to derail the IMF bailout? Awfully convenient: when the KP government kept trying to engage (without the issues being in the public eye), the feds kept ignoring. Eventually when the federation as a whole was about to commit and therefore things came to a head and therefore became public, the feds lose their shit. Can you answer why they didn't engage with the KP government earlier?

Also as for proof that corruption / lack for accountability has caused this twin deficit:

1. We rank 140/180 on corruption index. You think that foreign investors will invest knowing that? Hence the CAD deficit
2. We rank 108/190 in ease of doing business. Check how that ranking is computed. Pakistan suffers because of inability to enforce contracts, get permits, grease money involved in customs, courts and local authorities etc. Again lack of foreign investment or even local export oriented investment and CAD deficits.
3. We repeatedly snip the wings of our accountability bureaus and fbr which would otherwise discourage money laundering. Example current nab law changes and changes to tax laws to remove the requirement of NICs for transactions. Result, twin deficits.
4. We barely tax our agriculture, the biggest sector in our economy. Why? Feudalism entrenched in our politics and self serving (corruption) tax laws. Result: fiscal deficits
5. Corruption in sale land (Bahria Town/DHA sagas). Result fiscal deficits.
6. There is rampant corruption in our infrastructure spends. Just see how much we were paying per kilometer of highway construction versus what it was brought down to. Result: fiscal deficit.

If you think that even after all this the twin deficits are not a direct consequence of corruption in our systems, then you'd have to be brain dead.

 

[Jango]

This is the double standards that I talk about, it was okay then but it’s not okay now. So when PEMRA messed with channel rankings, banned politicians speeches, removed or messed with channel rankings like they did with ARY recently, when journalists like Asad Toor, Matiullah Jan etc were kidnapped and tortured, it either okay or you can’t seem to recall. Plenty of people were held in NAB and other forms of detention with months before even a charge was bought before a court.

At least be consistent man, what is wrong today was also wrong then.

I don't what direction this thread has taken from the OP, but a couple of points as a rebuttal:

1- When Asad Toor or Matiullah Jan were picked up, the state (i.e. civilian govt) was not pursuing a case against them, nor was the police pursuing both of them. Everyone knows who did it, but because no one can say a word against them, everyone remained quite out of compulsion. Hamid Mir got taken off air because of merely suggesting who did it. Imran Khan ka baap bhi us kay samnay kuch nhn kar sakta.

2- The civilian government wasn't doing 10 press conferences a day defending the arrests or owning up to them. Rather, many in the government openly came out in condemnation.

3- We all know on whose behest PEMRA works in these situations. SHC has ordered PEMRA to restore ARY, but it hasn't been done so. Take a guess why? Same is the case with Geo. Moreover, Geo's license was never cancelled. It's numbers were changed mostly in cantts.

4- As for the NAB thing, I completely agree with you, the 90 day remand is utter BS. But this is not an issue which is restricted to political cases. I know people jin ka siasat say door door tak taluq nhn but they were kept by NAB in 90 day remand and then sent judicial, all the whole the IO was pleading with them to take a plea bargain, because NAB couldn't prove jack. We tried using some contacts and approaching NAB, but all the government ministers and bureaucracy was itself afraid of going up to NAB. You know what answer we got? NAB main zyada tar fauji hain, try and approach a General who can put in a word to the DG, and that we had to do unfortunately.

5- There is a difference between 'shadows' picking up people and these things happening, and the civilian govt actually owning up to these measures.

6- But none of this means what happened to them was right. That was wrong as well.

 

[xyxmt]

Finally someone having the courage to speak out against selling Pakistanis people for 1.2 billion dollars, most of which will be "launched" to dubai or flown to London.

 

[khail007]

Proof comes first, either you have it or it’s conjecture. Your opinion is not worth burning Pakistan’s financial prospects over. You have a political view and at least in the case of MDBs I can say with personal experience that your perception of use of proceeds being eaten by corruption needs to be proven. In fact, should you come across proof of corruption in an ADB loan project for example, tip them off, they’ll take action against the perpetrators.

IMO, three-quarters of a century and billions of dollars in loans have gone down the drain, and bumping one's head for proof is not going to pay.
Very strange when someone asks for proof of the crimes of the filth of the politics, liars, convicted absconders, criminals, thugs, robbers, murderers, and thieves.
Let pass the century, and the generations will also look for proof that these vultures left some meat on the bones of Pakistan. You will be the same as beggars on the streets of the world.

The bitter truth is as follows - now the USA is no more offering you any support funds as was in pasts but some alums as you could not cope with the self inflicted calamity:

Your political opinions and conjecture are not enough here, sorry. And it’s nowhere near enough to justify the wholesale destruction of Pakistan’s economy by politically motivated efforts to cause harm. If IK does it today to apply pressure and create hurdles, he’ll set a dangerous precedence for others to follow in the future. None of these politicians are worth the harm to the state.

Maybe for you, corruption does not matter, but it is the foremost issue in Pakistan. Even if you herd your role model Crime Minister 'main mangnay nahin aya' but the world is very much aware that where and how the money of Pakistan is stashed by these filthy politicos.
The world now no more offers alums to Pakistan but loans and at very tough conditions. Why? They know where it will go.
If one wants to live as a beggar on alums, his choice and not everyone in Pakistan - May ALLAH SWT bless those for that path which their soul likes.

Also, you don’t really need to do much to make the economic argument to back your conjecture that corruption is the cause of economic woes. If you had an answer, you could easily share it with me. The truth is , our economic structure, our twin deficits and lack of social and economic reforms has meant that every government in the last 20 years, without exception, has needed bailouts from multilateral lenders.

The gymnastic of economic woes, deficits, and blah blah won't work anymore. Every business of these filthy politicos flourishes but Pakistan is always in deficit. The present biggest filthy bunch came to power with a promise to field the most 'experienced team of experts' - a normal person could easily elaborate what they have done to Pakistan.

 

[Jango]

Asked whether he or his ministry took up the letter issue with the IMF, Mr Ismail replied there was no need for it. “We have not shared it,” he said, adding it would be shared if need be.

Meanwhile, sources at the IMF said Mr Jhagra’s letter “will not affect” the deal Pakistan is negotiating with the lender.

Miftah, Jhagra to seek resolution of KP surplus row

IMF sources say Jhagra’s letter ‘will not affect’ deal.

www.dawn.com

All the propaganda down in shambles. Isi liay kehte hain, don't go for paid twitter journalists such as Asad Toor or anonymous Twitter accounts...jinhon nay kal say asman sar par utha lia tha is baat par and were playing politics.

Moreover, amazing how pehle after repeated invites Miftah couldn't sit down with KP but now after this letter and media hoobla he immediately does.

 

[IceCold]

At least be consistent man, what is wrong today was also wrong then.

Nobody was stripping Journalists, political workers naked and sexually assaulting them. There is no comparison.

 

[Finer]

Nobody was stripping Journalists, political workers naked and sexually assaulting them. There is no comparison.

Based on their words. Truth is we have no idea. Unfortunately, the investigation is being carried at the hands of what may suspect to be questionable mark so we can’t assume anything while journalists are known to play with words.

It is either that or the allegation makes no sense in regards to them being alive after all the abuses. How are they alive if we are to believe the allegation? How are they alive? Stripping their honours serve what purpose only adds more questions.

Something is not right.

 

[IceCold]

Based on their words. Truth is we have no idea. Unfortunately, the investigation is being carried at the hands of what may suspect to be questionable mark so we can’t assume anything while journalists are known to play with words.

It is either that or the allegation makes no sense in regards to them being alive after all the abuses. How are they alive if we are to believe the allegation? How are they alive? Stripping their honours serve what purpose only adds more questions.

Something is not right.

Maybe but then again nobody is going to come on camera and say hey we are being sexually abused, I mean no man anyway. Other accusations may be questionable but sexual assault or abuse I mean even North Korea or China with their authoritarian regimes would not do something like that, forget any democracy. We have touched a new low under neutrals.

 

[python-000]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1563122443417718784

Literally no shame. From shehbaz gill to fawad chaudhry everyone is a stupid clown. Politics on economy is the worst thing.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1563123963944849411

Oh yes zardari & Nawaz are the greatest leaders of Pakistan because they are imported...

 

[Zibago]

PEMRA messed with channel rankings,

Thats not even comparable to an outright ban

banned politicians speeches

Convict disqualified for life and out of fake medical bail

when journalists like Asad Toor, Matiullah Jan etc were kidnapped and tortured

As per the definition given by the current able regime they are not journalists but just youtubers and also they werent arrested by police or forced to go through police custody without a trial
Voldemort's minions attacked them and went on their way
If they really want to go against Voldemort they should show courage and do it

Plenty of people were held in NAB and other forms of detention with months before even a charge was bought before a cour

So how many of them were tortured and stripped or kept in cellars? Should I share with you pictures of their luxurious cells where they even had mushakatis (servants) to do things for them?