Progression of secularism : 'Incest is no longer a taboo,' says Australian judge Garry Neilson

[Luffy 500]

Could you stop being mentally sick. Why are you bringing India into a discussion that has no relation to India.

I apologies if you felt offended. To me India is part of the secular liberal world and I am pretty sure many indians do NOT mind such categorization. But i will make sure to not include india when referring to the west. I edited my post.

 

[haviZsultan]

This is not an example of true secularism. Most people would strongly resist incest being part of their laws and culture.

 

[T-Rex]

This is fucked up, and secularism has nothing to do with it.

Suckularism has everything to do with casual sex or whatever you call it.

 

[Luffy 500]

And here we have foremost PDF advocate of secularism doing takfir on the judge. Btw Kaptaan Bhai is a very pious orthodox secularist.

"the judge ain't real secularist innit".

So you have now began to use one man as referance for a entire political philosospy? One man does not maketh a system.

Nope its NOT one man. Prominent ulemas of your religion from secular heartlands of Germany , New Zealand , Australia etc agree with this one man:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...gs-to-be-legalised-by-government-9753506.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...-fundamental-right-German-committee-says.html

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=3567929

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/29/incest-legal-german-experts_n_5900672.html

And this particular ulema used orthodox secular liberal arguments to justify his position. Not to mention he is also a firm believer in scientism and did not overlook the genetic disease aspect of it as well.

Another very prominent ulema of your religion - Lawrence Krauss also defended incest.

Your religion allows it just like it allows sodomy, adultery , fornication etc etc.

If it was:-

Would you agree with some the prescriptions adopted by Daesh?

Daesh's viewpoints contradict orthodox islam and ulemas whether saudi or non-saudi all refuted Daesh. Daesh is an extremist group just like the "progressive muslims" . Btw DAESH is lead by former secular baathist and in that sense can also be called a secular organization.

You are giving false equivalence here. While the AUS judge in question and many like him are part and parcel of the secular liberal system , Deash is a deviant heretical extremist organization according to all school of Islamic thought. SO there is absolutely NO comparison.You are comparing apples and oranges.

*or in Saudia Arabia

What prescription did saudis give? I don't get what you are talking about. But yes Saudi Arabia by the grace of Allah (swt) is a center of islamic learning. I am a muslim and like all muslims believe Islam is the only true religion and all its values and principles are perfect. I believe and defend any scholarly opinion that is based on Quran and sunnah and I defend classical orthodox positions.

I assume that you as a secularist also believe that your secularism is the correct path and thus you advocate it and even want to force it on the muslim world.


As for the pic with the propaganda caption - The person in the pic is Sh. Muhammad Saalih al-Munajjid , a respected prominent scholar of orthodoxy from Saudi Arabia.

I don't know whether the captioned translation by MEMRI (zionazi media) is authentic or not since MEMRI is known as a anti-islamic media wing. But neither do I care about what the respected Shaykh actually said. As long as its based on Quran and Sunnah i will accept what the Shaykh said and besides as a scholar who studied decades , he has the right to hold and express opinions on issues .

*Or the against polio vaccine in Pakistan

What about Polio vaccine? I don't get it. If some part of your population does NOT want to take polio , its the failure of pakistani government and secular education system NOT islam or orthodoxy . Many parts of pakistan don't even follow orthodox islam and believe in all sorts of cultural traditional pre-islamic non-sense like honor killings. Many Sindhi tribes don't even know the basic pillars of islam like how to pray. And do NOT forget secular liberal shakil Afridi has a huge part in building distrust in the minds of innocuous humble villagers of pakistan.

Saudi Arabia and the rest of the muslim world is polio free btw. Don't dare blame Islam for your secular liberal mess.

Don't use anomalies to malig a entire system. The fact is on average a larger body of humanity over large spread of geographic space over varied countries live in modicum of peace, order, fairness and order under secularism than any other system.


Maybe that is why so many Muslims are legging ( in some cases literally walking) and seeking refuge in Dar al Harb while escaping from Dar al Islam.

But you give example of the anomaly DAESH to blame islam and 1400 years of Islamic scholarship. You falsely equate Daesh with orthodox islam. You give false equivalence by posting MEMRI propaganda junk and here you are crying foul. Why the hypocrisy mr? And the AUS judge in question is NOT an anomaly but part and parcel of the secular liberal system.


And NO, larger body of humanity are NOT in west but in non-western world.

You are conveniently forgetting the fact that most muslim majority countries are de facto secular and as such , a mess including Pakistan.

Peace , order , fairness is debatable.

Muslims would NOT have gone to the west if their lands were not bombed to smithereens .

This is my long answer. My short answer inspired by people like you is "the judge ain't real secularist innit".

SO he is a heretic secular ? Apparently you secularists can decide who is a secular and who is not , but muslims can't decide who is from them and who is not? Remember this thread :

https://defence.pk/threads/tolerance-and-the-first-muslim-mayor-in-europe.431167/

The Op is only b*tching because he wants to have the right to define what a Muslim is and what a extremist is. Tough. You don't get to decide. And on the subject of tolerance if Bangladesh elects a gay/Christian Mayor than you can lecture others on tolerance. Until than buzz off.

 

[Fireurimagination]

Yucks, but what has it go to do with secularism or religion? It's just loose moral character of some

 

[Zibago]

Here we have a pious fundamentalist secular liberal doing Jihad in saudi arabia and pakistan:




While here we have a non-practicing irreligious secular liberal doing soft jihad in pakistan :

Soft Jihad

 

[Luffy 500]

And here we have haviZsultan bhai , a very confused advocate of secularism. He himself is not sure what he advocates.

This is not an example of true secularism. Most people would strongly resist incest being part of their laws and culture.

 

[Mentee]

And here we have haviZsultan bhai , a very confused advocate of secularism. He himself is not sure what he advocates.

And here we have a bangla polar bear, wait what? A bangla polar bear

 

[EasyNow]

Lolz did you even read the article? The same 'suckular' press goes on to label incest as abhorrent. The reason this is a story is that it's a shocking thing for a judge to say. I wonder how many of your Islamqa.com demagogues make disgusting suggestions all the time (eg. Should be legal to marry a 12 year old) and no one even raises a peep.

Ps what's this got to do with secularism anyway? A man living in a secular society makes a comment and that's somehow a reflection on the entire philosophy? You're seriously brainwashed kid.

 

[Gandh brandi]

In mouth: Disgusting secular liberal pigs! Go bone your mother if you're that desperate and while you're at it bang your daughter too.

In mind: Hummm... so if I move to Australia or Germany maybe I can finally defend my cousin's honour by marrying her. Maybe my sister too. I swear she gives me those looks when we're fighting *shivers*

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

 

[T-Rex]

Official name of India is Republic of India, not Hindu Republic of India.
And Hindus, being the majority in India, will always influence the way our country works, but that does mean minority rights and beliefs will be trampled upon.

Hogwash!

 

[My-Analogous]

Official name of India is Republic of India, not Hindu Republic of India.
And Hindus, being the majority in India, will always influence the way our country works, but that does mean minority rights and beliefs will be trampled upon.

When i come to eat beef then?, What is the news about changing Muhammedian Law? Why in India every must have to give test to prove him self an Indian?. Please give solid references to deny my post,because i do have links to prove my above statement right

 

[TMA]

Majority will not agree with the judge. Incest is heinous, and anyone who say it is ok should visit a doctor.

Watch this. From California.

So you have now began to use one man as referance for a entire political philosospy? One man does not maketh a system. If it was:-


*Would you agree with some the prescriptions adopted by Daesh?

*or in Saudia Arabia

*Or the against polio vaccine in Pakistan

Don't use anomalies to malig a entire system. The fact is on average a larger body of humanity over large spread of geographic space over varied countries live in modicum of peace, order, fairness and order under secularism than any other system.

Maybe that is why so many Muslims are legging ( in some cases literally walking) and seeking refuge in Dar al Harb while escaping from Dar al Islam.

This is my long answer. My short answer inspired by people like you is "the judge ain't real secularist innit".

Well technically there is no Dar Al Islam (in today's world) to escape from.
Also Daesh/ISIS have been covertly supported by many nations in "Dar Al harb".

This is not an example of true secularism. Most people would strongly resist incest being part of their laws and culture.

Most people would strongly resist homosexual marriage being part of their laws and culture (if we were living in the 1950's).
A sophisticated agenda has been at work, first by decriminalizing homosexuality and then by making it acceptable in social culture with the use of TV/Movies and then enacted legislation after society has accepted it.

If the powers that be decide to do the same thing with incest, who knows in 50 years time, maybe a mother and son or even a mother and daughter may end up wedded?

@Luffy 500

 

[Djinn]

@Luffy 500 there are other things on their priority list as well. Bestiality and special brothels for that, cannibalism as a fetish, wide spread naturism and last but not the least orgy conventions and parades.

 

[T-Rex]

@Luffy 500 there are other things on their priority list as well. Bestiality and special brothels for that, cannibalism as a fetish, wide spread naturism and last but not the least orgy conventions and parades.

Yes those ideas are associated with suckularism in its purest form.