Pride Of Pakistan: Major Fozia Parveen Serving In UN Mission Becomes An Internet Sensation

[GumNaam]

Let's be real here. Yes women have been empowered within the past decade(s) but Pakistan still lags behind in such instances. Tell me how many women you see in the streets in KP or Balochistan or even interior Sindh? Barely any! Women are still looked at as objects rather than humans by many in our society and unfortunately there is enough documented evidence to show that.

Heck, even a few people I know in the UK don't allow their wives to work even though they are "educated" and have grown up in the "west". The mindset of a Pakistani man isn't the same as the mindset of a western man where men and women are mostly viewed as being the same in terms of their rights etc.

hey I never said it was perfect and nor is the western status of women perfect. We still have quite a bit to do but within the boundries of the rights and wrongs as defined by Islam, not the western hypocrisy where the woman has to fend for herself starting at the age of 15 with no social or family safety net none what so ever.

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

Let's be real here. Yes women have been empowered within the past decade(s) but Pakistan still lags behind in such instances. Tell me how many women you see in the streets in KP or Balochistan or even interior Sindh? Barely any! Women are still looked at as objects rather than humans by many in our society and unfortunately there is enough documented evidence to show that.

Heck, even a few people I know in the UK don't allow their wives to work even though they are "educated" and have grown up in the "west". The mindset of a Pakistani man isn't the same as the mindset of a western man where men and women are mostly viewed as being the same in terms of their rights etc.

tbh in Pakistan, it seems that the higher you're on the socio-economic ladder, the more rights you have irrespective of gender, race, religion, etc. However, the poorer you are, the worse your situation if you're a minority, woman, or even child and other vulnerable person (e.g., disabled). You get cases of people just not budging on offensiveness and misogyny at the upper strata, sure, but in general, if you're poor and vulnerable, you're not in a good position. I remember seeing a lady with a PhD basically strike her cleaning lady with a slipper once -- nuts.

 

[GumNaam]

tbh in Pakistan, it seems that the higher you're on the socio-economic ladder, the more rights you have irrespective of gender, race, religion, etc. However, the poorer you are, the worse your situation if you're a minority, woman, or even child and other vulnerable person (e.g., disabled). You get cases of people just not budging on offensiveness and misogyny at the upper strata, sure, but in general, if you're poor and vulnerable, you're not in a good position. I remember seeing a lady with a PhD basically strike her cleaning lady with a slipper once -- nuts.

well? your right...all the more reason for a socio-economic uplift across the country now, yes?

 

[airmarshal]

tbh in Pakistan, it seems that the higher you're on the socio-economic ladder, the more rights you have irrespective of gender, race, religion, etc. However, the poorer you are, the worse your situation if you're a minority, woman, or even child and other vulnerable person (e.g., disabled). You get cases of people just not budging on offensiveness and misogyny at the upper strata, sure, but in general, if you're poor and vulnerable, you're not in a good position. I remember seeing a lady with a PhD basically strike her cleaning lady with a slipper once -- nuts.

Have you ever seen men and women of family working in a farm in Pakistan? How they distribute responsibilities and shoulder the burden. In some ways lower strata of social classes are more liberal than middle or higher classes.

 

[masterchief_mirza]

You answered your own question. Frankly, the article or tweet doesn't specify that it's for empowerment, but it also doesn't specify that it is because she is pretty.

So, quite honestly, it is how you look at. Foreigners will look at it with a sense of new understanding of Pakistan. Most people in Pakistan would look at it with a sense of pride. Activists would look at it as a sign of progress. Suppressed would look at it as an inspiration.

But, you... you look at it because you think she's pretty...
Her bad she's pretty, doom her, she cannot be in any pictures because it's click bait because she's pretty!


And in regards to treating both genders equally, we will start doing that when both genders have equal freedom and opportunities in country to begin with.


And... just to be a bit more direct. She's an internet sensation because there aren't as many female soldiers, specially in Islamic countries. It symbolises empowerment of these women.
Lastly, her mere presence there is already helping her country a lot than our presence on this forum.

A little appreciation is not hard to give. Leave the bitterness for something else, something actually serious instead of the pointless argument you are trying to make over something that is positive.

Hope that clears it up "Masterchief Mirza." : )

Were it so easy.

Perhaps the problem is that the article is just plain crap. Why would the Major herself even like such an article that essentially says lots of people clicked on you to look at your pic? Now you can't blame me or anyone else for looking at this article because of the insinuation that she's pretty - that is actually the only thing that one can conclude about this person because of the lack of information. I think intention was probably good, but execution was poor.

Give me something insightful to read about her or her mission and then I'm learning something new about what Pakistani females are capable of. I'm sure she is very able and capable to be a Major in the UN force. However, this rubbish marketing looks more like one of those click bait articles along the lines of.. "10 photos that prove how liberated Pakistani women are". I'd rather we show the world something better than that.

 

[R Wing]

Nothing special. She is one of the thousands of Pakistani troops serving under UN in various peace missions around the globe. Gender alone should not be a reason for any merit or demerit.

Of course it shouldn't --- but we can all agree that in certain roles, it takes a lot more for a woman to shine. To be at the frontline, whether in a fighter jet or on a UN peacekeeping mission, is pretty impressive.

 

[GumNaam]

Of course it shouldn't --- but we can all agree that in certain roles, it takes a lot more for a woman to shine. To be at the frontline, whether in a fighter jet or on a UN peacekeeping mission, is pretty impressive.

Agreed...unlike western militaries, Pakistan Armed Forces don't cut women any slack during training, they need to meet the same rigorous academic and physical standards that men need to meet.

 

[Pakhtoon yum]

Have you ever seen men and women of family working in a farm in Pakistan? How they distribute responsibilities and shoulder the burden. In some ways lower strata of social classes are more liberal than middle or higher classes.

That is culture and has nothing to do with equality. Go ask a women if she wants to work on a farm, you would be laughed at.

 

[Numerous]

Let's be real here. Yes women have been empowered within the past decade(s) but Pakistan still lags behind in such instances. Tell me how many women you see in the streets in KP or Balochistan or even interior Sindh? Barely any! Women are still looked at as objects rather than humans by many in our society and unfortunately there is enough documented evidence to show that.

Heck, even a few people I know in the UK don't allow their wives to work even though they are "educated" and have grown up in the "west". The mindset of a Pakistani man isn't the same as the mindset of a western man where men and women are mostly viewed as being the same in terms of their rights etc.

Nothing wrong with wanting to marry a housewife. It's best that we don't adopt the mentality of western men, especially with regards to wives etc, it's not a good mindset to adopt.

 

[Rakesh]

Well said

You answered your own question. Frankly, the article or tweet doesn't specify that it's for empowerment, but it also doesn't specify that it is because she is pretty.

So, quite honestly, it is how you look at. Foreigners will look at it with a sense of new understanding of Pakistan. Most people in Pakistan would look at it with a sense of pride. Activists would look at it as a sign of progress. Suppressed would look at it as an inspiration.

But, you... you look at it because you think she's pretty...
Her bad she's pretty, doom her, she cannot be in any pictures because it's click bait because she's pretty!


And in regards to treating both genders equally, we will start doing that when both genders have equal freedom and opportunities in country to begin with.


And... just to be a bit more direct. She's an internet sensation because there aren't as many female soldiers, specially in Islamic countries. It symbolises empowerment of these women.
Lastly, her mere presence there is already helping her country a lot than our presence on this forum.

A little appreciation is not hard to give. Leave the bitterness for something else, something actually serious instead of the pointless argument you are trying to make over something that is positive.

Hope that clears it up "Masterchief Mirza." : )

Well said. Lot many people have skewed understanding of gender equality.

 

[GumNaam]

That is culture and has nothing to do with equality. Go ask a women if she wants to work on a farm, you would be laughed at.

That IS actually very true. It is a part of our culture where a lot of women look forward to settling down and house wives and home makers...unlike the western world, where the woman is literally FORCED to fend for herself from the tender age of 15, our society accommodates and accepts this as a woman's God given right that she wants to be a home maker and take care of family in general and children in particular. the feminist west can go to hell in a hand basket for all I care, the fact that our society accepts and accommodates this is truly a blessing for women where they work if they want to but don't HAVE to. In shaa Allah, this will permeate.

 

[Super Falcon]

Goodbut why only fozia parween there are many

 

[gutto786]

Free Cyprus
The blood of innocents is not going to be wasted
We want referendum in cyprus as per UN resolution from 1850s
We are with our brothers and sisters in Cyprus
Zaid Hamid: Gazwa e Cyprus is about to happen

 

[Lincoln]

Were it so easy.

Perhaps the problem is that the article is just plain crap. Why would the Major herself even like such an article that essentially says lots of people clicked on you to look at your pic? Now you can't blame me or anyone else for looking at this article because of the insinuation that she's pretty - that is actually the only thing that one can conclude about this person because of the lack of information. I think intention was probably good, but execution was poor.

Give me something insightful to read about her or her mission and then I'm learning something new about what Pakistani females are capable of. I'm sure she is very able and capable to be a Major in the UN force. However, this rubbish marketing looks more like one of those click bait articles along the lines of.. "10 photos that prove how liberated Pakistani women are". I'd rather we show the world something better than that.

The point is very simple. I will be brutally honest.

She's a female in the Armed Forces, and in a shitty country that Pakistan currently is for women, that's a rare sight.

You're the one who thinks that people will click on it because you think she's pretty. Freaking hell, understand that. You think that way, most sane people don't.

To make it more simple. They are appreciating her because she's a female in the armed forces, not because of her looks.

She's pretty and since you and many other people on this forum are so insecure af, they think it's because she's getting that appreciation because she's pretty, not because what she has achieved is a feet in itself.

Goodbut why only fozia parween there are many

Let's snap photos of 1000 others. Right : )
Understand, the symbolism behind it.

There are many beggars in streets, why do you give money to only one?

 

[Baby Leone]

why peace mission in cyprus? there is no war in cyprus i guess