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The sacrament of prenups

Deccan Chronicle | Audrey D’Mello | December 07, 2015, 07.27 am IST

indian-marriages-1_0_1_0_0__0_0_0_0.jpg

Representational image.

Maneka Gandhi, minister of women and child development, recently gave a call for prenuptial agreements to be recognised in India. According to her, if the terms for division of property, guardianship of children and spousal support are settled prior to marriage, divorces will be less acrimonious and disputes could be resolved expeditiously.

In the discussions that followed, as to whether such a step will, in fact, safeguard the rights of women, there was no mention that this concept is already rooted in Islamic law of marriage since the 7th century. The nikahnama, an Islamic marriage contract is, in fact, a prenuptial agreement that outlines the rights and responsibilities of the parties and provides for conditions to be included for safeguarding a woman’s rights upon marriage.

One wonders why a reference to the Islamic law was not made either by the minister or other experts. Married Muslim women, we find, are often on a higher and more secure footing than their counterparts from other religions. In fact, as a Christian marrying a Muslim, I chose to marry under the Muslim personal law, even over the seemingly modern Special Marriage Act, 1954, to better secure my economic rights. My mehr was a house in my name and my nikahnama includes necessary clauses to safeguard my and my children’s rights. My husband’s family members were witness to this document, which is registered and enforceable by law.

When we examine marriage laws in their historic context, it is interesting to note that the universally accepted notion that marriages are contractual rather than sacramental originates in Muslim law, which was accepted by the French law only in the 1800s and incorporated into the English law in the 1850s and became part of codified Hindu law as late as 1955. Today it appears to be the most practical way of dealing with the institution of marriage. Treating marriage as a sacrament which binds the parties for life has resulted in some of the most discriminatory practices against women such as sati and denial of right to divorce and remarriage, even in the most adverse conditions.

The cornerstone of a Muslim marriage is consent, ejab-o-qubul (proposal and acceptance) and requires the bride to accept the marriage proposal on her own free will. This freedom to consent (or refuse), which was given to Muslim women 1,400 years ago, is still not available under Hindu law since sacramental rituals such as saptapadi and kanya dan (seven steps round the nuptial fire and gifting of the bride to the groom) still form essential ceremonies of a Hindu marriage. Even after the codification of Hindu law, the notion of consent is not built into the marriage ceremonies.

The contract of marriage (nikahnama) allows for negotiated terms and conditions, it can also include the right to a delegated divorce (talaq-e-tafweez) where the woman is delegated the right to divorce her husband if any of the negotiated terms and conditions are violated.

Mehr is another unique concept of Muslim law meant to safeguard the financial future of the wife. It is an obligation, not a choice, and can be in the form of cash, valuables or securities. While there is no ceiling, a minimum amount to provide her security after marriage must be stipulated. This is a more beneficial concept than streedhan which is given by choice and usually by the natal family. In addition to Mehr, at the time of divorce, a Muslim woman has the right to fair and reasonable settlement, and this is statutorily recognised under the Muslim Women (Protection of Rights on Divorce) Act, 1986 as per the 2001 ruling of the Supreme Court in the Daniel Latifi case.

It is also important to address polygamy and triple talaq, two aspects of Muslim law which are generally used to discredit the community and argue in favour of a uniform civil code. While sharia law permits a man to have four wives (before 1956 Hindu law permitted unrestrained polygamy), it mandates equal treatment of all wives. If a man is not able to meet these conditions, he is not permitted to marry more than one woman. (Quran 4:3; Yusuf Ali’s translation)

On the other hand, though codification introduced monogamy for Hindus, the ground reality has not changed and Hindu men continue to be bigamous or polygamous. The most disturbing aspect is that while men in bigamous/adulterous relationships are allowed to go scot-free, it is the women who are made to pay the price. Women in invalid relationships with Hindu men are denied maintenance and protection and are referred to as “mistresses” and “concubines”, concepts specific to the uncodified Hindu law. Any attempt to codify Muslim law to bring in legal monogamy should not end up subjecting Muslim women to a plight similar to that of a Hindu second wife. This is an important concern which needs to be taken into account while reforming the Muslim law.

And lastly, the much maligned triple talaq or talaq-ul-biddat, which the Prophet himself considered as the most inappropriate form of divorce. Fortunately, in 2002, in Shamim Ara vs State of Uttar Pradesh & others, the Supreme Court laid down strict Quranic injunctions which must be followed at the time of pronouncing talaq, hence now fraudulent practices adopted by errant husbands (including email and SMS talaq) can no longer constitute valid talaq. Yet, after a decade and a half, very few know challenge the validity of such divorces in court as they are unaware about this ruling.

Though Muslim law stipulates many different ways to end a marriage, including a woman’s right to dissolve her marriage (khula), divorce by mutual consent (mubarra), delegated divorce (talaq-e-tafweez), judicial divorce (fasq) and dissolution under Muslim Marriage Act, yet the one that is most often discussed or resorted to is the triple talaq without the consent of the woman, violating the stipulations of the Shamim Ara ruling which has invalidated such hasty divorces.

Many would argue that while Muslim law may be progressive on paper, it is often misused and Muslims women’s rights are violated. But enacting a new law (which can also be violated) each time the legal mandate fails in its implementation, is not a solution to the problem at hand. We need to collectively put our might behind creating awareness about the positive aspects of these laws and, more importantly, help women secure their rights when they are violated.

The writer is the programme director of Majlis, a legal centre that provides socio-legal support to women survivors of violence

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jamahir's comment - for anyone who can look at things in a calm and unbiased manner, it would be visible that islam indirectly influenced those laws in india, that on paper at least, promised progressive rights and freedoms to the female citizens of india, yet it is tragic that the simplicity and sophistication of true islami facilities available 1400 years ago to muslim ladies, are not available to most female citizens of india in 2015.

if one must mention, prophet muhammad was the first feminist and it would be a fool that would disagree with that... yet we have ignorants and reactionaries like kamlesh tiwari of the "akhil bharatiya hindu mahasabha" group insulting prophet muhammad... they deserve punishment of course, not for a nonsense thing called blasphemy but for being anti-human and for daring to stand against historical fact and common sense.

the above article is from sunday last week and i wanted to post it sooner, but seems my delay has been timely in context of progressing events.

t is frustrating that despite me and a few other members posting the practical and socialist aspects of true islam time and again, for example the wedding and marriage laws, there still are the robotic sanghi members who refuse to acknowledge that respect to true islam is overdue.

however, despite the sophistication and simplicity of islami laws, i again speak for design of a "uniform civil code" to be immediately taken up by the progressives and socialists... this would be a interim step until modern socialism isn't established in india.
 
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indeed, ucc is the need of the hour, for the rest, I'll get banned if I try and debate :P
 
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hell yes, it is.. get rid of everyone's "religious" laws.. hindu undivided, xtian inheritance, muslim sharia... throw them all in the garbage bin and flush them out forever.

I'm highly critical of the Sharia system, more than willing to take it on the chin and debate it but it's not allowed here so..

leave it, man.. they banned me for a month last, not even sure what for.. pdf
 
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I'm highly critical of the Sharia system, more than willing to take it on the chin and debate it but it's not allowed here so..

leave it, man.. they banned me for a month last, not even sure what for.. pdf

it is sad that despite the article speaking at length about the progressiveness of the real sharia and despite by own extension of the article, you chose to remain critical.

but as you wish.
 
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it is sad that despite the article speaking at length about the progressiveness of the real sharia and despite by own extension of the article, you chose to remain critical.

but as you wish.
I would indulge you if it wasn't haram on this forum to do so
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with you on UCC though, let the cavemen cry mommy all they want.
 
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The sacrament of prenups

Deccan Chronicle | Audrey D’Mello | December 07, 2015, 07.27 am IST

indian-marriages-1_0_1_0_0__0_0_0_0.jpg

Representational image.

Maneka Gandhi, minister of women and child development, recently gave a call for prenuptial agreements to be recognised in India. According to her, if the terms for division of property, guardianship of children and spousal support are settled prior to marriage, divorces will be less acrimonious and disputes could be resolved expeditiously.

In the discussions that followed, as to whether such a step will, in fact, safeguard the rights of women, there was no mention that this concept is already rooted in Islamic law of marriage since the 7th century. The nikahnama, an Islamic marriage contract is, in fact, a prenuptial agreement that outlines the rights and responsibilities of the parties and provides for conditions to be included for safeguarding a woman’s rights upon marriage.

One wonders why a reference to the Islamic law was not made either by the minister or other experts. Married Muslim women, we find, are often on a higher and more secure footing than their counterparts from other religions. In fact, as a Christian marrying a Muslim, I chose to marry under the Muslim personal law, even over the seemingly modern Special Marriage Act, 1954, to better secure my economic rights. My mehr was a house in my name and my nikahnama includes necessary clauses to safeguard my and my children’s rights. My husband’s family members were witness to this document, which is registered and enforceable by law.

When we examine marriage laws in their historic context, it is interesting to note that the universally accepted notion that marriages are contractual rather than sacramental originates in Muslim law, which was accepted by the French law only in the 1800s and incorporated into the English law in the 1850s and became part of codified Hindu law as late as 1955. Today it appears to be the most practical way of dealing with the institution of marriage. Treating marriage as a sacrament which binds the parties for life has resulted in some of the most discriminatory practices against women such as sati and denial of right to divorce and remarriage, even in the most adverse conditions.

The cornerstone of a Muslim marriage is consent, ejab-o-qubul (proposal and acceptance) and requires the bride to accept the marriage proposal on her own free will. This freedom to consent (or refuse), which was given to Muslim women 1,400 years ago, is still not available under Hindu law since sacramental rituals such as saptapadi and kanya dan (seven steps round the nuptial fire and gifting of the bride to the groom) still form essential ceremonies of a Hindu marriage. Even after the codification of Hindu law, the notion of consent is not built into the marriage ceremonies.

The contract of marriage (nikahnama) allows for negotiated terms and conditions, it can also include the right to a delegated divorce (talaq-e-tafweez) where the woman is delegated the right to divorce her husband if any of the negotiated terms and conditions are violated.

Mehr is another unique concept of Muslim law meant to safeguard the financial future of the wife. It is an obligation, not a choice, and can be in the form of cash, valuables or securities. While there is no ceiling, a minimum amount to provide her security after marriage must be stipulated. This is a more beneficial concept than streedhan which is given by choice and usually by the natal family. In addition to Mehr, at the time of divorce, a Muslim woman has the right to fair and reasonable settlement, and this is statutorily recognised under the Muslim Women (Protection of Rights on Divorce) Act, 1986 as per the 2001 ruling of the Supreme Court in the Daniel Latifi case.

It is also important to address polygamy and triple talaq, two aspects of Muslim law which are generally used to discredit the community and argue in favour of a uniform civil code. While sharia law permits a man to have four wives (before 1956 Hindu law permitted unrestrained polygamy), it mandates equal treatment of all wives. If a man is not able to meet these conditions, he is not permitted to marry more than one woman. (Quran 4:3; Yusuf Ali’s translation)

On the other hand, though codification introduced monogamy for Hindus, the ground reality has not changed and Hindu men continue to be bigamous or polygamous. The most disturbing aspect is that while men in bigamous/adulterous relationships are allowed to go scot-free, it is the women who are made to pay the price. Women in invalid relationships with Hindu men are denied maintenance and protection and are referred to as “mistresses” and “concubines”, concepts specific to the uncodified Hindu law. Any attempt to codify Muslim law to bring in legal monogamy should not end up subjecting Muslim women to a plight similar to that of a Hindu second wife. This is an important concern which needs to be taken into account while reforming the Muslim law.

And lastly, the much maligned triple talaq or talaq-ul-biddat, which the Prophet himself considered as the most inappropriate form of divorce. Fortunately, in 2002, in Shamim Ara vs State of Uttar Pradesh & others, the Supreme Court laid down strict Quranic injunctions which must be followed at the time of pronouncing talaq, hence now fraudulent practices adopted by errant husbands (including email and SMS talaq) can no longer constitute valid talaq. Yet, after a decade and a half, very few know challenge the validity of such divorces in court as they are unaware about this ruling.

Though Muslim law stipulates many different ways to end a marriage, including a woman’s right to dissolve her marriage (khula), divorce by mutual consent (mubarra), delegated divorce (talaq-e-tafweez), judicial divorce (fasq) and dissolution under Muslim Marriage Act, yet the one that is most often discussed or resorted to is the triple talaq without the consent of the woman, violating the stipulations of the Shamim Ara ruling which has invalidated such hasty divorces.

Many would argue that while Muslim law may be progressive on paper, it is often misused and Muslims women’s rights are violated. But enacting a new law (which can also be violated) each time the legal mandate fails in its implementation, is not a solution to the problem at hand. We need to collectively put our might behind creating awareness about the positive aspects of these laws and, more importantly, help women secure their rights when they are violated.

The writer is the programme director of Majlis, a legal centre that provides socio-legal support to women survivors of violence

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jamahir's comment - for anyone who can look at things in a calm and unbiased manner, it would be visible that islam indirectly influenced those laws in india, that on paper at least, promised progressive rights and freedoms to the female citizens of india, yet it is tragic that the simplicity and sophistication of true islami facilities available 1400 years ago to muslim ladies, are not available to most female citizens of india in 2015.

if one must mention, prophet muhammad was the first feminist and it would be a fool that would disagree with that... yet we have ignorants and reactionaries like kamlesh tiwari of the "akhil bharatiya hindu mahasabha" group insulting prophet muhammad... they deserve punishment of course, not for a nonsense thing called blasphemy but for being anti-human and for daring to stand against historical fact and common sense.

the above article is from sunday last week and i wanted to post it sooner, but seems my delay has been timely in context of progressing events.

t is frustrating that despite me and a few other members posting the practical and socialist aspects of true islam time and again, for example the wedding and marriage laws, there still are the robotic sanghi members who refuse to acknowledge that respect to true islam is overdue.

however, despite the sophistication and simplicity of islami laws, i again speak for design of a "uniform civil code" to be immediately taken up by the progressives and socialists... this would be a interim step until modern socialism isn't established in india.

Jamahir,Hindus dont have the concept of Divorce then why have pre nup?

Hindu law never polygamy,Hindu men always have only one wife,the second one becomes a rakhel or an illegal one.

Thats the case today also,second you want to talk of Mehr,Arabic society treated women as commodity and thats you have the concept of money being paid to buy the wife,in india the girl takes the liquid cash and gold with her as a part of her inheritance,whereas the brothers get the immovable property which is often never sold.

Why should any woman have a child with a married man out of wedlock,he should first divorce before marrying another woman.

Even in muslim households,the first wife and her children deeply resent the second wife and step siblings,then how is it justice for the woman?

If a woman falls for a married man,it is her problem and sin,it is not the problem of the first wife,she ll always retain her rights?

I have no comments on Muhammad as thats your troll bait.
 
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Jamahir,Hindus dont have the concept of Divorce then why have pre nup?

not having divorce system is a negative point.

but irrespective of what hindu traditions offer or not offer, wedding by consent, facility to divorce, having alimony arrangement and right to inheritance of parental property should have been human rights in 1947... traditions cannot be allowed to quash universal human rights.

nevertheless, the "uniform civil code" when designed by progressives/socialists should be able to take care of all family-related situations, not just of marriage.

and pre-nups, whether implemented as part of ucc or whether brought as law by themselves, are really a concept derived from islam as indicated in the op... that must be acknowledged as a simple matter of fact.

Hindu law never polygamy,Hindu men always have only one wife,the second one becomes a rakhel or an illegal one.

not always true... in fact, it polygamy in form of bigamy is more among hindus than in muslims[1]
In 1974, a government survey found Muslims to account for 5.6% of all bigamous marriages and upper-caste Hindus accounting for 5.8%. The difference may appear to be small but it is big, in real terms. The 1971 census records 45.3 crore Hindus and six crore Muslims. Allowing for women and children to make up 65% of each group, as many as one crore Hindu men had more than one wife in 1971, compared to 12 lakh Muslim men.

The trend continues, says sociologist Asghar Ali Engineer, head of Mumbai's Institute of Islamic Studies. "The survey was conducted on a large sample in all parts of India and the report wasn't made public. Further, polygamy was higher in South India than in the north, and more so among rich and middle-class Hindus than the poorer sections.
Bigamy disadvantages Hindu women more than Muslim, says Chandigarh sociologist Nirmal Sharma. This, because a Hindu man will desert his lawfully wedded wife to live with another, while the multiple wives of Muslim men are entitled to equal legal and social rights. "Closet bigamy in Hindus is worse than open polygamy among Muslims," he says.
Supreme Court lawyer Praveen Agarwal cautions that Hindu bigamists often go scot free because "the courts can do little until there's a formal complaint." And this is not always possible because in many cases, the two wives don't even know of each other's existence, says Agarwal. He adds that it is relatively easy for a Hindu man to remarry because temples don't hold records. "However, if the matter goes to court, the second marriage is declared null and void."

Take the case of K Suryanarayana, the Indian engineer killed in Afghanistan, who left behind a second wife and daughter. Though she laid claim to compensation from the government, the court ruled in favour of the first wife.

Thats the case today also,second you want to talk of Mehr,Arabic society treated women as commodity and thats you have the concept of money being paid to buy the wife,

money being paid to buy the wife?? how??

mehr is like alimony and not a bride price... please read the op again.

in india the girl takes the liquid cash and gold with her as a part of her inheritance

by "in india" you really are talking about hindu traditions, yes?? :)

in the general hindu society, that is the dowry given by her parents who are told by traditions to consider the daughter as burden and they essentially pay a bribe to her in-laws to rid themselves ( the parents ) of her... after all, one of the wedding rituals is the "kanya daan" which essentially is a formalized abandoning of her to the whims of the husband and in-laws... the liquid cash is traditionally confiscated by the in-laws and so is most of the gold leaving a few items to be worn by the bride and in case of abandonment by the husband these items she has ( if not taken away by in-laws ) won't be able to sustain her.

not to mention that the bridal bribe has other things too - car, motorcycle, sometimes promise of a house etc, and these become property of the husband or in-laws, leaving nothing to the new wife.

remember, in hindu traditions, a marriage is for "saath janam" ( seven lifetimes ) which means that in a troubled married life ( trouble from husband or in-laws ) the wife has no recourse to divorce ( the concept not existent ), neither is there legal help for her codified in religion, so she either must endure the cruelty of the in-laws or husband until death or risk being thrown out of the house with no economic safety net or suicide or go mad.

and how many hindu parents help their daughter when she is being tortured by her in-laws for more dowry or other reasons?? after all, the parents have already abandoned her by having done "kanya daan" at the wedding time... her parents, traditions and society tell her to consider her husband's house as her only house until death, with the parental home being mostly off-limits to her except for the fakery of returning for attending religious festivals, rituals, brothers' baby-naming ceremonies, weddings and the like.

and that is depicted by this case[2] from last year...
Bengaluru: In a shocking example of the way women are treated in our society, a 27-year-old mother of two was allegedly branded mentally unstable by her own family, for filing a domestic violence and dowry harassment complaint against her husband. Shalini (name changed for privacy) was made to spend five days in a psychiatric ward at a prominent facility in the city on the behest of her parents and husband, who claimed that she was prone to angry outbursts. The case was brought to light by prominent advocate Pramila Nesargi, who has intervened on Shalini's behalf.

Shalini, 27, who has a young daughter and a son was reportedly frequently beaten by her husband. According to her advocate, Basavaraj Patel GK, the father had promised the husband a piece of land. "Because that hadn't happened, he would come home every night and abuse her mentally and physically," said Basavaraj.

On June 28, unable to deal with this any longer, Shalini took her two small children and checked into Shakti Dhama in Mysore, an organisation that works with women in distress. She remained there for a week, until July 5, when her husband and father allegedly came to take her back on the promise that all the torture would come to an end.

When her husband continued to ill treat her, she approached Basavaraju, who helped her file a case in an MMTC Court in Bangalore rural on July 17, 2014. One week later, she filed for divorce at a family court in the city, on grounds of cruelty. As the abuse continued unabated, Shalini filed a complaint at the Kumbalgod police station on August 10. "The FIR was lodged and police visited her house for an enquiry," said Basavaraj.

"The husband conspired with his in-laws, which Nandini has mentioned in the FIR," said Pramila Nesargi. "He managed to convince his in-laws that she had a psychiatric disorder." Shalini, in the end, was admitted to a psychiatric facility in the city last week, where she remained for a period of five days.

"Her parents brought her to the hospital, saying she had anger issues," said the psychiatrist who treated her, on condition of anonymity. "When we counseled her, we realized that she was having marital problems, so we asked the couple to come in for joint counseling. We managed to sort out the problem amicably, they wrote apology letters to each other and she was even willing to withdraw the complaint by the time she was discharged," he said. "We explained to her that her life would be very difficult, being unemployed and uneducated, with two small children in a male-dominated society," he added.

While the issue seems to have been wrapped up neatly, the story has not come to an end just yet for Nandini. While her advocate Basavaraj agrees that there are plans to withdraw the complaint, he also received an alarming phone call from the victim on Thursday morning. "She called me from a different number and said that her family had forbidden her from having any contact with people outside the family," he said. Shalini has stated that she fears for her safety as well as that of her children, but it seems as if her nightmare will continue, if she is forced to break contact with her advocate and the activists who are currently fighting her cause.

so her parents abandoned her to the cruel and greedy husband via have done "kanya daan", the husband beat her frequently for what her father promised to him and her husband beat her despite she having borne him two children, and when she quite naturally tried to fight back against this injustice ( as is her right ) and took her children away, her husband and her parents branded her mad !!

and these fake-doctors called psychiatrists are only the new version of the "neem hakim" quacks and charlatan babas in the villages... the indian education system legitimizes these quacks.

most times, only after the daughter has suicided or been murdered will her parents file a police complaint against the husband/in-laws and that too in recent years.

and since there is no concept of divorce in hinduism, there won't be facility of remarriage of the female, including of a widow... and that brings us to the mention of sati, formerly a highly-respected institution in hindu tradtions... sati means to burn alive a widow on the funeral pyre of her husband... the last publicly known case of sati was that of roop kanwar in rajasthan in 1987... now, whatever "liquid cash and gold" ( as you said ) her parents had given to her husband and in-laws at the time of wedding wasn't quite given back to her, eh?? the in-laws kept the money and gold and burnt her alive. :)

surely, you will acknowledge what a unjust, oppressive and anti-human system this has been since 900 bc.

hard socialism is the only way to bring much of indian society into civilization.

whereas the brothers get the immovable property which is often never sold.

why should that be?? why the discrimination against the daughters??

and neither would the "liquid cash and gold given to the daughter" at the time of her wedding be as much worth as a son's property share nor would be that "liquid cash and gold" be available to her in reality.

Why should any woman have a child with a married man out of wedlock,he should first divorce before marrying another woman.

why are you mentioning this here??

besides, as you said, divorce is not part of the hindu traditions, unless you mean the husband simply abandons the wife.

Even in muslim households,the first wife and her children deeply resent the second wife and step siblings,then how is it justice for the woman?

polygamy may be allowed in islam but there are conditions - only if the husband can provide equal/equitable love to all his wives and keep them materially happy, and since a divorce means payment by him of mahr and since the islami rules of inheritance means him making a will promising proper distribution to all wives and children of wives, it all combines to discourage polygamy in reality.

but to take up the point about the rules of inheritance, the structure of it also seeks to make people consider step siblings in a normal and natural manner.

as a side point, the females of the family get the highest priority in the inheritance rules, contrary to anti-islam propaganda.

as another side point, the person doing the inheritance, meaning property owner, can be male or female.

contrast the second last with hinduism where the daughter traditionally never got anything from her father ( mother doesn't own property ) as inheritance but some minor changes were decades ago but progress got stuck[3]...
New Delhi: In a major setback for many women across the country, the Supreme Court has said that a daughter's right to ancestral property does not arise if the father died before the amendment to Hindu law came into force in 2005.

The apex court held that amended provisions of the Hindu Succession (Amendment) Act, 2005, do not have retrospective effect. The father would have to be alive on September 09, 2005, if the daughter were to become a co-sharer with her male siblings.

A bench of Justices Anil R Dave and Adarsh K Goel held that the date of a daughter becoming coparcener is on and from the commencement of the Act.

On September 9, 2005 the landmark amendment to The Hindu Succession Act of 1956, which originally denied women the right to inherit ancestral property, ruled that a Hindu woman or a girl will have equal property rights along with her male relatives for any partition made in ancestral property.

Earlier, women could only ask for sustenance from a joint Hindu family. The only restriction in force after the passage of this amendment was that women could not ask for a share if the property had been alienated or partitioned before December 20, 2004, the date the Bill was introduced. But now the Supreme Court has added this new restriction.

If a woman falls for a married man,it is her problem and sin,it is not the problem of the first wife,she ll always retain her rights?

but as we saw above, the wife doesn't have much rights.

and since you are talking about sin, what do you saying of parents, especially the mother, killing their daughter for "honor"??

I have no comments on Muhammad as thats your troll bait.

no, that's because you seem to want to continue hating him instead of respecting the many simple social/economic/political/spiritual advances he brought to the world. :)

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[1] Bigamy: An issue of one too many - The Times of India

[2] Husband declares his wife ‘mad’ for filing harassment complaint! | Deccan Chronicle

[3] indian supreme court's mistake about hindu ladies' right to property
 
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That will only cause in some marriages to be cancelled, people will fall out of love and self preservation will take precedence. There will be more life long bachelors and spinsters. Nonetheless good move.
 
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The sacrament of prenups

Deccan Chronicle | Audrey D’Mello | December 07, 2015, 07.27 am IST

indian-marriages-1_0_1_0_0__0_0_0_0.jpg

Representational image.

Maneka Gandhi, minister of women and child development, recently gave a call for prenuptial agreements to be recognised in India. According to her, if the terms for division of property, guardianship of children and spousal support are settled prior to marriage, divorces will be less acrimonious and disputes could be resolved expeditiously.

In the discussions that followed, as to whether such a step will, in fact, safeguard the rights of women, there was no mention that this concept is already rooted in Islamic law of marriage since the 7th century. The nikahnama, an Islamic marriage contract is, in fact, a prenuptial agreement that outlines the rights and responsibilities of the parties and provides for conditions to be included for safeguarding a woman’s rights upon marriage.

One wonders why a reference to the Islamic law was not made either by the minister or other experts. Married Muslim women, we find, are often on a higher and more secure footing than their counterparts from other religions. In fact, as a Christian marrying a Muslim, I chose to marry under the Muslim personal law, even over the seemingly modern Special Marriage Act, 1954, to better secure my economic rights. My mehr was a house in my name and my nikahnama includes necessary clauses to safeguard my and my children’s rights. My husband’s family members were witness to this document, which is registered and enforceable by law.

When we examine marriage laws in their historic context, it is interesting to note that the universally accepted notion that marriages are contractual rather than sacramental originates in Muslim law, which was accepted by the French law only in the 1800s and incorporated into the English law in the 1850s and became part of codified Hindu law as late as 1955. Today it appears to be the most practical way of dealing with the institution of marriage. Treating marriage as a sacrament which binds the parties for life has resulted in some of the most discriminatory practices against women such as sati and denial of right to divorce and remarriage, even in the most adverse conditions.

The cornerstone of a Muslim marriage is consent, ejab-o-qubul (proposal and acceptance) and requires the bride to accept the marriage proposal on her own free will. This freedom to consent (or refuse), which was given to Muslim women 1,400 years ago, is still not available under Hindu law since sacramental rituals such as saptapadi and kanya dan (seven steps round the nuptial fire and gifting of the bride to the groom) still form essential ceremonies of a Hindu marriage. Even after the codification of Hindu law, the notion of consent is not built into the marriage ceremonies.

The contract of marriage (nikahnama) allows for negotiated terms and conditions, it can also include the right to a delegated divorce (talaq-e-tafweez) where the woman is delegated the right to divorce her husband if any of the negotiated terms and conditions are violated.

Mehr is another unique concept of Muslim law meant to safeguard the financial future of the wife. It is an obligation, not a choice, and can be in the form of cash, valuables or securities. While there is no ceiling, a minimum amount to provide her security after marriage must be stipulated. This is a more beneficial concept than streedhan which is given by choice and usually by the natal family. In addition to Mehr, at the time of divorce, a Muslim woman has the right to fair and reasonable settlement, and this is statutorily recognised under the Muslim Women (Protection of Rights on Divorce) Act, 1986 as per the 2001 ruling of the Supreme Court in the Daniel Latifi case.

It is also important to address polygamy and triple talaq, two aspects of Muslim law which are generally used to discredit the community and argue in favour of a uniform civil code. While sharia law permits a man to have four wives (before 1956 Hindu law permitted unrestrained polygamy), it mandates equal treatment of all wives. If a man is not able to meet these conditions, he is not permitted to marry more than one woman. (Quran 4:3; Yusuf Ali’s translation)

On the other hand, though codification introduced monogamy for Hindus, the ground reality has not changed and Hindu men continue to be bigamous or polygamous. The most disturbing aspect is that while men in bigamous/adulterous relationships are allowed to go scot-free, it is the women who are made to pay the price. Women in invalid relationships with Hindu men are denied maintenance and protection and are referred to as “mistresses” and “concubines”, concepts specific to the uncodified Hindu law. Any attempt to codify Muslim law to bring in legal monogamy should not end up subjecting Muslim women to a plight similar to that of a Hindu second wife. This is an important concern which needs to be taken into account while reforming the Muslim law.

And lastly, the much maligned triple talaq or talaq-ul-biddat, which the Prophet himself considered as the most inappropriate form of divorce. Fortunately, in 2002, in Shamim Ara vs State of Uttar Pradesh & others, the Supreme Court laid down strict Quranic injunctions which must be followed at the time of pronouncing talaq, hence now fraudulent practices adopted by errant husbands (including email and SMS talaq) can no longer constitute valid talaq. Yet, after a decade and a half, very few know challenge the validity of such divorces in court as they are unaware about this ruling.

Though Muslim law stipulates many different ways to end a marriage, including a woman’s right to dissolve her marriage (khula), divorce by mutual consent (mubarra), delegated divorce (talaq-e-tafweez), judicial divorce (fasq) and dissolution under Muslim Marriage Act, yet the one that is most often discussed or resorted to is the triple talaq without the consent of the woman, violating the stipulations of the Shamim Ara ruling which has invalidated such hasty divorces.

Many would argue that while Muslim law may be progressive on paper, it is often misused and Muslims women’s rights are violated. But enacting a new law (which can also be violated) each time the legal mandate fails in its implementation, is not a solution to the problem at hand. We need to collectively put our might behind creating awareness about the positive aspects of these laws and, more importantly, help women secure their rights when they are violated.

The writer is the programme director of Majlis, a legal centre that provides socio-legal support to women survivors of violence

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jamahir's comment - for anyone who can look at things in a calm and unbiased manner, it would be visible that islam indirectly influenced those laws in india, that on paper at least, promised progressive rights and freedoms to the female citizens of india, yet it is tragic that the simplicity and sophistication of true islami facilities available 1400 years ago to muslim ladies, are not available to most female citizens of india in 2015.

if one must mention, prophet muhammad was the first feminist and it would be a fool that would disagree with that... yet we have ignorants and reactionaries like kamlesh tiwari of the "akhil bharatiya hindu mahasabha" group insulting prophet muhammad... they deserve punishment of course, not for a nonsense thing called blasphemy but for being anti-human and for daring to stand against historical fact and common sense.

the above article is from sunday last week and i wanted to post it sooner, but seems my delay has been timely in context of progressing events.

t is frustrating that despite me and a few other members posting the practical and socialist aspects of true islam time and again, for example the wedding and marriage laws, there still are the robotic sanghi members who refuse to acknowledge that respect to true islam is overdue.

however, despite the sophistication and simplicity of islami laws, i again speak for design of a "uniform civil code" to be immediately taken up by the progressives and socialists... this would be a interim step until modern socialism isn't established in india.

Hence in the West, more people do not marry now. They just live together. No marriage No Divorce. Simple. Problem Solved.
 
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The sacrament of prenups

Deccan Chronicle | Audrey D’Mello | December 07, 2015, 07.27 am IST

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Representational image.

Maneka Gandhi, minister of women and child development, recently gave a call for prenuptial agreements to be recognised in India. According to her, if the terms for division of property, guardianship of children and spousal support are settled prior to marriage, divorces will be less acrimonious and disputes could be resolved expeditiously.

In the discussions that followed, as to whether such a step will, in fact, safeguard the rights of women, there was no mention that this concept is already rooted in Islamic law of marriage since the 7th century. The nikahnama, an Islamic marriage contract is, in fact, a prenuptial agreement that outlines the rights and responsibilities of the parties and provides for conditions to be included for safeguarding a woman’s rights upon marriage.

One wonders why a reference to the Islamic law was not made either by the minister or other experts. Married Muslim women, we find, are often on a higher and more secure footing than their counterparts from other religions. In fact, as a Christian marrying a Muslim, I chose to marry under the Muslim personal law, even over the seemingly modern Special Marriage Act, 1954, to better secure my economic rights. My mehr was a house in my name and my nikahnama includes necessary clauses to safeguard my and my children’s rights. My husband’s family members were witness to this document, which is registered and enforceable by law.

When we examine marriage laws in their historic context, it is interesting to note that the universally accepted notion that marriages are contractual rather than sacramental originates in Muslim law, which was accepted by the French law only in the 1800s and incorporated into the English law in the 1850s and became part of codified Hindu law as late as 1955. Today it appears to be the most practical way of dealing with the institution of marriage. Treating marriage as a sacrament which binds the parties for life has resulted in some of the most discriminatory practices against women such as sati and denial of right to divorce and remarriage, even in the most adverse conditions.

The cornerstone of a Muslim marriage is consent, ejab-o-qubul (proposal and acceptance) and requires the bride to accept the marriage proposal on her own free will. This freedom to consent (or refuse), which was given to Muslim women 1,400 years ago, is still not available under Hindu law since sacramental rituals such as saptapadi and kanya dan (seven steps round the nuptial fire and gifting of the bride to the groom) still form essential ceremonies of a Hindu marriage. Even after the codification of Hindu law, the notion of consent is not built into the marriage ceremonies.

The contract of marriage (nikahnama) allows for negotiated terms and conditions, it can also include the right to a delegated divorce (talaq-e-tafweez) where the woman is delegated the right to divorce her husband if any of the negotiated terms and conditions are violated.

Mehr is another unique concept of Muslim law meant to safeguard the financial future of the wife. It is an obligation, not a choice, and can be in the form of cash, valuables or securities. While there is no ceiling, a minimum amount to provide her security after marriage must be stipulated. This is a more beneficial concept than streedhan which is given by choice and usually by the natal family. In addition to Mehr, at the time of divorce, a Muslim woman has the right to fair and reasonable settlement, and this is statutorily recognised under the Muslim Women (Protection of Rights on Divorce) Act, 1986 as per the 2001 ruling of the Supreme Court in the Daniel Latifi case.

It is also important to address polygamy and triple talaq, two aspects of Muslim law which are generally used to discredit the community and argue in favour of a uniform civil code. While sharia law permits a man to have four wives (before 1956 Hindu law permitted unrestrained polygamy), it mandates equal treatment of all wives. If a man is not able to meet these conditions, he is not permitted to marry more than one woman. (Quran 4:3; Yusuf Ali’s translation)

On the other hand, though codification introduced monogamy for Hindus, the ground reality has not changed and Hindu men continue to be bigamous or polygamous. The most disturbing aspect is that while men in bigamous/adulterous relationships are allowed to go scot-free, it is the women who are made to pay the price. Women in invalid relationships with Hindu men are denied maintenance and protection and are referred to as “mistresses” and “concubines”, concepts specific to the uncodified Hindu law. Any attempt to codify Muslim law to bring in legal monogamy should not end up subjecting Muslim women to a plight similar to that of a Hindu second wife. This is an important concern which needs to be taken into account while reforming the Muslim law.

And lastly, the much maligned triple talaq or talaq-ul-biddat, which the Prophet himself considered as the most inappropriate form of divorce. Fortunately, in 2002, in Shamim Ara vs State of Uttar Pradesh & others, the Supreme Court laid down strict Quranic injunctions which must be followed at the time of pronouncing talaq, hence now fraudulent practices adopted by errant husbands (including email and SMS talaq) can no longer constitute valid talaq. Yet, after a decade and a half, very few know challenge the validity of such divorces in court as they are unaware about this ruling.

Though Muslim law stipulates many different ways to end a marriage, including a woman’s right to dissolve her marriage (khula), divorce by mutual consent (mubarra), delegated divorce (talaq-e-tafweez), judicial divorce (fasq) and dissolution under Muslim Marriage Act, yet the one that is most often discussed or resorted to is the triple talaq without the consent of the woman, violating the stipulations of the Shamim Ara ruling which has invalidated such hasty divorces.

Many would argue that while Muslim law may be progressive on paper, it is often misused and Muslims women’s rights are violated. But enacting a new law (which can also be violated) each time the legal mandate fails in its implementation, is not a solution to the problem at hand. We need to collectively put our might behind creating awareness about the positive aspects of these laws and, more importantly, help women secure their rights when they are violated.

The writer is the programme director of Majlis, a legal centre that provides socio-legal support to women survivors of violence

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jamahir's comment - for anyone who can look at things in a calm and unbiased manner, it would be visible that islam indirectly influenced those laws in india, that on paper at least, promised progressive rights and freedoms to the female citizens of india, yet it is tragic that the simplicity and sophistication of true islami facilities available 1400 years ago to muslim ladies, are not available to most female citizens of india in 2015.

if one must mention, prophet muhammad was the first feminist and it would be a fool that would disagree with that... yet we have ignorants and reactionaries like kamlesh tiwari of the "akhil bharatiya hindu mahasabha" group insulting prophet muhammad... they deserve punishment of course, not for a nonsense thing called blasphemy but for being anti-human and for daring to stand against historical fact and common sense.

the above article is from sunday last week and i wanted to post it sooner, but seems my delay has been timely in context of progressing events.

t is frustrating that despite me and a few other members posting the practical and socialist aspects of true islam time and again, for example the wedding and marriage laws, there still are the robotic sanghi members who refuse to acknowledge that respect to true islam is overdue.

however, despite the sophistication and simplicity of islami laws, i again speak for design of a "uniform civil code" to be immediately taken up by the progressives and socialists... this would be a interim step until modern socialism isn't established in india.
Islamic Socialism at its best...............great find bro:enjoy:

mehr is like alimony and not a bride price
Gift shall be more suitable...
 
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Islamic Socialism at its best...............great find bro:enjoy:

yes indeed and thanks.

the christian lady who wrote the article so clearly acknowledges the benefit of she marrying ( a muslim man ) under islami wedding/marriage rules, and yet some indian members on pdf refuse to acknowledge this and prefer to keep hating... why do they want to waste so much energy in unnecessary hates?? :sad:

Gift shall be more suitable...

yes that is also correct... a compulsory gift given by groom to bride for her post-divorce security.
 
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the christian lady who wrote the article so clearly acknowledges the benefit of she marrying ( a muslim man ) under islami wedding/marriage rules, and yet some indian members on pdf refuse to acknowledge this and prefer to keep hating... why do they want to waste so much energy in unnecessary hates?? :sad:
when ever the word Islam comes,almost they all go bonkers....without even trying to comprehend the actual context.. you might have noticed that, when they write something about Muslims it's only jihadi sunni,,,,,,,,, they maliciously try to put shia's in another box as if they are something out of the blue and not related to Islam or Muslims.........we all know about their newly found love:pleasantry: of shias
 
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As the society has advanced and its broader in terms of thinking, its vital to accept that marriages may fail in any religion.. The chances of meeting a desired partner and settling again is a welcome step in any society..

Pre nups are not a necessary but definitely its a welcome step as unnecessary clattering especially due to financial issues while separation tends to create a deep wedge among separating couples as well as waste a lot of time in court..

This is a step forward in accepting the western type of new social changes and over time should be endorsed in our country too.
 
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