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If basic resources are free and non-basic resources are easily obtainable, it will take away the incentive from many citizens to work to their full potential.

I shouldn't be giving or asking examples but how do you think a subdued version of this socio-economic system worked in the USSR ? That country was a space power which even USA wasn't in some sense.
 
I shouldn't be giving or asking examples but how do you think a subdued version of this socio-economic system worked in the USSR ? That country was a space power which even USA wasn't in some sense.
Socio-economic system in USSR worked for a short term but fell woefully behind in the long run. It proves that freebies work for some time, but dampens productivity in the long run which is worse for everyone.
 
Socio-economic system in USSR worked for a short term but fell woefully behind in the long run. It proves that freebies work for some time, but dampens productivity in the long run which is worse for everyone.

What do you mean by the underlined ?
 
Dont you think USSR fell behind which led to its eventual breakup?

That event I believe did not happen because of anything like the country becoming bankrupt by providing say free education and free healthcare but because of inept leadership at the very top. We must remember that when Boris Yeltsin did his coup some units of the Russian military did a counter coup and tried to preserve the USSR as a Socialist country.

Maybe our Russia-origin member @vostok can shed more light on this.
 
That event I believe did not happen because of anything like becoming bankrupt by providing say free education and free healthcare but because of inept leadership at the very top. We must remember that when Boris Yeltsin did his coup some units of the Russian military did a counter coup and tried to preserve the USSR as a Socialist country.

Maybe our Russia-origin member @vostok can shed more light on this.
Unsustainable economic situation of USSR was one of the main reasons for breakup.
I am all for subsidized education and healthcare, but there should be a balance. We cannot go extreme on either communism or capitalism.
 
Unsustainable economic situation of USSR was one of the main reasons for breakup.

You say this based on what points ?

I am all for subsidized education and healthcare, but there should be a balance.

Healthcare and education are a basic human right to be obtained for free. I don't see why a government should call itself a government but not provide those. Do we not see the regular tragedies that occur in India about those two topics ? Below are my threads :




Were these socio-economic tragedies necessary ? Are they not artificial and very avoidable ?

AFAIK even Capitalist Spain nationalized all of its healthcare system last year.

We cannot go extreme on either communism or capitalism.

Well, I am speaking of private businesses that can be run within the larger Communist socio-economic system, though land and buildings cannot be private.
 
You say this based on what points ?



Healthcare and education are a basic human right to be obtained for free. I don't see why a government should call itself a government but not provide those. Do we not see the regular tragedies that occur in India about those two topics ? Below are my threads :




Were these socio-economic tragedies necessary ? Are they not artificial and very avoidable ?

AFAIK even Capitalist Spain nationalized all of its healthcare system last year.



Well, I am speaking of private businesses that can be run within the larger Communist socio-economic system, though land and buildings cannot be private.

for the amount you spend here on Internet bills to be here on defence pk, you could sponsor free meals or some education books to poor children in India.. is it anywhere written that only government should do the work.. why dont you practice what you preach.. Internet is not essential :D lets see if you do this or else you are fake preacher
 
You say this based on what points ?

Healthcare and education are a basic human right to be obtained for free. I don't see why a government should call itself a government but not provide those. Do we not see the regular tragedies that occur in India about those two topics ? Below are my threads :




Were these socio-economic tragedies necessary ? Are they not artificial and very avoidable ?
We need to re-prioritize our budget to give higher subsidy to primary education and basic healthcare, cut down subsidies on fertilizers and pesticides. We should encourage organic farming which will reduce the need for fertilizers and pesticides which degrade soil quality in the long run.
Also, we should cut down govt subsidy on free electricity for farmers, since we know that this is the prime reason for farmers pumping indiscriminate amounts of groundwater. Govt should remove MSP support for rice as well as we anyways have more than enough rice stocks. Govt should instead promote crops which use less water and wont involve a lot of pollution due to rice husk burning.

Well, I am speaking of private businesses that can be run within the larger Communist socio-economic system, though land and buildings cannot be private.
What is the issue with private land ownership?
 
Internet is not essential :D

Yes, internet is not as essential as the right to free basic food, free water, free housing, free electricity, free healthcare, free education etc but it is still essential and the Indian Supreme Court has agreed on this in 2020 :
The Supreme Court has declared access to internet a fundamental right. A government cannot deprive the citizens of fundamental rights except under certain conditions explicitly mentioned in the Constitution. The ruling came on hearing of a plea in connection with Internet blockade in Jammu and Kashmir since August 5 -- in the view of revoking of Article 370 in the Union Territory.

Indian constitution makes the right to freedom of speech and expression a fundamental right for all citizens. It has been listed in Article 19 (1)(a) of the Constitution. The Supreme Court has on many occasions expanded the scope of the right to freedom of speech and expression.

The latest expansion makes the constitutional provision keep pace with innovation of technology. Internet is the primary source of information to millions of Indian citizens. A non-citizen can avail the same benefits but cannot claim it as her fundamental right.

The Supreme Court ruling is also in sync with the United Nations recommendation that every country should make access to Internet a fundamental right. In India, Kerala had become the first state in 2017 to declare access to Internet "a basic human right".


for the amount you spend here on Internet bills to be here on defence pk, you could sponsor free meals or some education books to poor children in India..

Regardless of my internet bill ( which is 500+ for about 80+ days ) I expect the government to provide to myself the right to food as well as to other hungry people.

Modi was happily eating his three meals during last year's lockdown when a reverse-migrating laborer woman died of hunger at a railway station in Bihar. She died because she had no money to buy food. Yes, buy food. Around the same time another Indian had to resort to eat dog kill on a highway because he probably had no money that afternoon to buy food. They had to struggle to generate an artificial, human-created construct like money to obtain something that grows naturally ( food crop ). There are millions like them in India. Should I be buying food for all of them ? In your language "Sponsor free meals" ? What does the government tax people for then ? For building temples, PM palaces, purchasing imitations of the American Air Force Ones, building tallest-statues-in-the-world of irrelevant people etc ? There are 35+ million stray dogs in India, as of a few years ago. None of them goes hungry but millions of humans do in this country. Why ? Who is the fool who feeds those dogs while humans around him go hungry ? Why does the government allow this injustice ?

is it anywhere written that only government should do the work..

Firstly, I shouldn't be giving examples but in almost all Socialist countries that list of basic needs of humans I gave earlier, they were free.

Secondly, if such a thing is not written anywhere it should be written because it is a natural, rational and logical idea.

You just have to stop talking in this sneering, anti-intellect, Bhakt-type way.


1. I don't give much credibility to this website. I have read articles on it before and the articles it published about India seemed to favor the right-tilting Establishment here. Secondly, on the homepage today the articles about the USSR are not quite in its favor. Thirdly, your article quotes a Soviet sociologist who defected to USA in the 1970s and had this to say ( note the underlined ) :
“…In the last decades [of the USSR’s existence] the rates of economic growth steadily decreased, the quality of goods deteriorated, and technological progress slowed...However, all these shortcomings had a rather chronic nature, and weren’t of fatal importance – an ill person, as well as an ill society, can live for a long time…”
Can such a person be taken for legitimacy ?

2. From the article :
There is a popular conspiracy theory in Russia that Gorbachev deliberately sought to destroy socialism and the Soviet Union. However, it’s not taken seriously because there is no indication whatsoever that he truly wanted to undermine his own rule.
The website dismissing this notion as "conspiracy theory" does not cancel out the existing notion about this topic. Also note that the sociologist mentioned earlier supported Gorbachev if you read the article linked in point# 1.

We need to re-prioritize our budget to give higher subsidy to primary education and basic healthcare, cut down subsidies on fertilizers and pesticides. We should encourage organic farming which will reduce the need for fertilizers and pesticides which degrade soil quality in the long run.

1. Fertilizers will be needed in any case but pesticides can be eliminated if agriculture for staple crops and most vegetables is done through Vertical Farming. Please again read this post of mine that I made to you,

2. Yes we need to prioritize our budget but the desired result being complete nationalization of the entire education system, the entire healthcare system and the basic-foods production system ( the non-basic items being mango, coconut, cashew etc ).

What is the issue with private land ownership?

To take India as example, there are 45+ million court cases pending in the country at various levels of the courts system. It is said that a few tens of thousands of judges are required to settle these cases. Many of these pending cases will be land disputes, many done within families, some going on for decades, some of them involving violence. Is all this necessary ? Can all this disharmony not be avoided ? Now if we were to remove land / estate from private control and make it a Commons maintained by a committee on behalf of the people, like in a Communist system, there will be minimal chance of a land dispute arising. A great simplification.
 
Yes, internet is not as essential as the right to free basic food, free water, free housing, free electricity, free healthcare, free education etc

Regardless of my internet bill ( which is 500+ for about 80+ days ) I expect the government to provide to myself the right to food as well as to other hungry people.

Secondly, if such a thing is not written anywhere it should be written because it is a natural, rational and logical idea.

You just have to stop talking in this sneering, anti-intellect, Bhakt-type way.

So you are actually a capitalist but just want to show off as a socialist.
If you believe in an idea wouldn't you follow the fundamentals of that idea?
What approach is this I will live in luxury of internet but not spend those 500 on poor child's education...
have some shame having fake identity.. expecting others to do the work but want comfortable life of internet for yourself.
You are no different than Adani the capitalist.. change your name to Adani ka chamcha 😁
 
So you are actually a capitalist but just want to show off as a socialist.
If you believe in an idea wouldn't you follow the fundamentals of that idea?
What approach is this I will live in luxury of internet but not spend those 500 on poor child's education...
have some shame having fake identity.. expecting others to do the work but want comfortable life of internet for yourself.
You are no different than Adani the capitalist.. change your name to Adani ka chamcha 😁

You make no sense whatsoever.
 
You make no sense whatsoever.
Obviously you have no acceptance... You still are enjoying internet paying 500 but will not give that money to poor children

"idea that is based on the belief that all people are equal and that money and property should be equally divide"

It is now open that you don't actually believe in this idea of socialism. You want to enjoy internet. When we see you are not on defence pk then maybe you get some respect here
Or else you are exposed 😁
 
1. I don't give much credibility to this website. I have read articles on it before and the articles it published about India seemed to favor the right-tilting Establishment here. Secondly, on the homepage today the articles about the USSR are not quite in its favor. Thirdly, your article quotes a Soviet sociologist who defected to USA in the 1970s and had this to say ( note the underlined ) :
What source will you trust then?
You do not trust the article because the writer defected to USA? Do you think that a writer residing in Russia under Putin's dictatorship would have the courage to write freely?

1. Fertilizers will be needed in any case but pesticides can be eliminated
In organic farming, you do not need artificial fertilizers or pesticides. Compost manure can work as fertilizer, which is virtually free as it is basically cow dung.

2. Yes we need to prioritize our budget but the desired result being complete nationalization of the entire education system, the entire healthcare system and the basic-foods production system ( the non-basic items being mango, coconut, cashew etc ).
Indira Gandhi ran the nationalization drive in 60s and 70s and it ruined the economy. At the same time, China liberalized its economy and is now 5X larger. We cannot afford to self-sabotage our boat again thru nationalization.
Developing state education and healthcare can be given more priority is funds are rerouted out of wasteful fertilizer, pesticide, electricity, oil subsidies.

To take India as example, there are 45+ million court cases pending in the country at various levels of the courts system. It is said that a few tens of thousands of judges are required to settle these cases. Many of these pending cases will be land disputes, many done within families, some going on for decades, some of them involving violence. Is all this necessary ? Can all this disharmony not be avoided ? Now if we were to remove land / estate from private control and make it a Commons maintained by a committee on behalf of the people, like in a Communist system, there will be minimal chance of a land dispute arising. A great simplification.
To reduce litigation, entire land documents need to be digitized and uploaded on govt servers to be freely viewable by anyone. Most disputes occur because of missing or forged paper docs.
Even with state onwership of land, private parties would need land to be rented / leased. Disputes will occur there too.
 

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