Power and capability Show of Al-Khalid Tank, Bahawalpur

[niaz]

600 AK1s are required (~350 in service)
and then another 600AK11 are required for a total of 1200 AKs - small batch production taking place due to budget availability.

With 1200 Al Khalids and 320 T-80UDs plus some T-85 from China. What would happen to Al Zaraar?

Would these be scrapped or still used as mobile artillery in support of infantry battalions.

 

[TaimiKhan]

With 1200 Al Khalids and 320 T-80UDs plus some T-85 from China. What would happen to Al Zaraar?

Would these be scrapped or still used as mobile artillery in support of infantry battalions.

Sir, we would be needing and still need a 2000+ tank force, and the above figures don't get us to the total requirement figure. Thus, AL Zarrars would still be required, plus, they can be a good addition for the reserve tank formations.

 

[Arsalan]

With 1200 Al Khalids and 320 T-80UDs plus some T-85 from China. What would happen to Al Zaraar?

Would these be scrapped or still used as mobile artillery in support of infantry battalions.

no these are not artiller guns,
neither do i think these will be scrapped. Perhaps we will keep them as back up or if we can find out some customer we can get some $$ for these.

the idea is that PA will start to phase out Al-Zarar once done with AK and the AK-II enters the production lines.

regards!

 

[LEGENDARY WARRIOR]

AK-1 was a success but AK-2 (which will be introduced soon) will be much better.
Some of the specifications of AK-1 is:
* Effective range: 200 m to 7,000 m
* Sensor: laser ranging from 200 m to 9,990 m
* French Auto-tracking, interfaced with gunner station, firing four types of munitions, gunner's thermal imaging sight, commander's image intensification night vision sight, gyro-stabilized and UPS power supply system.
It can also receive data from a UAV, increasing its ability to successfully carry out war operations.
With all this you can imagine what power machine will be AK-2. .

With 1200 Al Khalids and 320 T-80UDs plus some T-85 from China. What would happen to Al Zaraar?

Would these be scrapped or still used as mobile artillery in support of infantry battalions.

First of all Al Zarrar is not part of artillery, it is part of armored corps. as it is a Main Battle Tank. Secondly it is not so old or outdated to be considered a scrap. According to my info if you make 54 modifications on Type-59 Tank; you get one Al-Zarrar. . .

 

[mjnaushad]

One question. We all are talking about Increased number of tanks. But with increased modern tanks we'll be need increased mechanized infantry to keep up with tanks. I've seem pics of mechanized infantry but How many of our infantry is mechanized. And with increasing tank will we need more troops to be mechanized.

 

[Kompromat]

AK-1 was a success but AK-2 (which will be introduced soon) will be much better.
Some of the specifications of AK-1 is:
* Effective range: 200 m to 7,000 m
* Sensor: laser ranging from 200 m to 9,990 m
* French Auto-tracking, interfaced with gunner station, firing four types of munitions, gunner's thermal imaging sight, commander's image intensification night vision sight, gyro-stabilized and UPS power supply system.
It can also receive data from a UAV, increasing its ability to successfully carry out war operations.
With all this you can imagine what power machine will be AK-2. .



First of all Al Zarrar is not part of artillery, it is part of armored corps. as it is a Main Battle Tank. Secondly it is not so old or outdated to be considered a scrap. According to my info if you make 54 modifications on Type-59 Tank; you get one Al-Zarrar. . .

What the source of that info?

 

[mjnaushad]

no these are not artiller guns,
neither do i think these will be scrapped. Perhaps we will keep them as back up or if we can find out some customer we can get some $$ for these.

the idea is that PA will start to phase out Al-Zarar once done with AK and the AK-II enters the production lines.

regards!

Just to add. BD military upgraded some of its Type 59 tanks to Alzarar level.

http://www.***************/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=271&Itemid=97

 

[TaimiKhan]

AK-2 is far away for now, nothing solid in that respect has yet started.

As for AKs, 300-350 have been inducted, but for last 1-2 years induction and production have been slow or stopped, due to financial problems.

AK-1 has been developed, few things are known and few are being kept confidential, few months back, army had no finances to test the new AK-1 before giving orders, but as per latest reports, the testing may have started and hopefully next year, order for new batch are given and production for AK-1s start.

Finances are a great problem for us, that is why AK-2 has no major work yet started upon, may take a few more years before something concrete is heard or seen in that regard.

 

[niaz]

no these are not artiller guns,
neither do i think these will be scrapped. Perhaps we will keep them as back up or if we can find out some customer we can get some $$ for these.

the idea is that PA will start to phase out Al-Zarar once done with AK and the AK-II enters the production lines.

regards!

Hon Sir, I know that Al Zarrar is not an artillery gun. MBT primery use is as heavy cavalry; that is to punch a hole in the enemy front line, for this purpose a massed formation of say 150 tanks is required.

However, tanks are also used in smaller formations for infantry fire support , to knock down harderned shelters and to run over trenches and other obstacles. I thought that with the introduction of better quality tanks for strike formations; Al zaraar may be downgraded to infantry support role only.

 

[fatman17]

Hon Sir, I know that Al Zarrar is not an artillery gun. MBT primery use is as heavy cavalry; that is to punch a hole in the enemy front line, for this purpose a massed formation of say 150 tanks is required.

However, tanks are also used in smaller formations for infantry fire support , to knock down harderned shelters and to run over trenches and other obstacles. I thought that with the introduction of better quality tanks for strike formations; Al zaraar may be downgraded to infantry support role only.

the future role of the al-zarrar mbt is for training incoming tank crews. ~300 tanks will be kept active for this pourpose - rest will be withdrawn as 'emergency reserves'

 

[fatman17]

One question. We all are talking about Increased number of tanks. But with increased modern tanks we'll be need increased mechanized infantry to keep up with tanks. I've seem pics of mechanized infantry but How many of our infantry is mechanized. And with increasing tank will we need more troops to be mechanized.

our mbt requirement is for 2,000 tanks - in contrast we need a minimum of 4,000 apc's to complement the tanks in a mechanised thrust. at this time almost 2,000 apc's are in service.

 

[Fieldmarshal]

Al-Zarrar is a very very capable platform and all the upgrades that PA has made has made it a completely different beast, capable of holding its own and defeating any thing india can throw at PAK.
We need to understand that any platform, be it tank etc dont work in vacum but infact they work in relation to and with all other different platforms deployed in a particular opp theater.
Also ours is a defensive strategy while indias is a offensive strategy and for offensive india needs a force 3 times ours atleast.

my two cents

 

[Arsalan]

Hon Sir, I know that Al Zarrar is not an artillery gun. MBT primery use is as heavy cavalry; that is to punch a hole in the enemy front line, for this purpose a massed formation of say 150 tanks is required.

However, tanks are also used in smaller formations for infantry fire support , to knock down harderned shelters and to run over trenches and other obstacles. I thought that with the introduction of better quality tanks for strike formations; Al zaraar may be downgraded to infantry support role only.

that can be a possibility for sure.
however as Sif Fatman stated, it is more likely that they are kept in reserve, or, perhaps as i commented earlier, be sold to some friendly nation at a real bargain price.
these are all speculation. currently we need them and they are a good force to reckon with.

regards!

 

[Jigs]

our mbt requirement is for 2,000 tanks - in contrast we need a minimum of 4,000 apc's to complement the tanks in a mechanised thrust. at this time almost 2,000 apc's are in service.

Any hope the rest will be filled by Otokar Cobras ?

 

[fatman17]

Any hope the rest will be filled by Otokar Cobras ?

i think the army will stick to the m-113 variants.