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Post Balakot Panic: India using Israeli guided missile against Kashmiri Civilians at LoC

By Farzana Shah

The month of February has not only carved its significance for Kashmiris living across the world as a month to expose Indian brutalities on them but also a warning month reminding the world of threats Indian aggression poses to world peace.

The world on Feb 27, 2019 had witnessed a war like situation between India & Pakistan when India tried to play another misadventure, only to be surprised by shooting down of her aircraft by Pakistani JF-17 Thunder.

Indian forces heavily shelled Pakistani side of Kashmir on the night between Feb 7 & 8.

The unarmed Kashmiris were subjected to target of Guided Missiles with Tandem warhead in violation of international laws.

Upon analysis the unexploded object fired by India into Pakistani Kashmir, turns out to be ( BGM-71 TOW) guided missile which they used for targeting civilian populated area.
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It is important to know that Nato supplied weapons carrying the following markings which helps US forces along with Allied forces to keep track of their weapon systems.
Upon reviewing the Operations manual of the TOW missile System, it was established that Tow missile launchers and Missiles are marked as following
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Similar weapon system was found in use in Syria however it is important to note that it had standard NATO markings on the Missile tube unlike the missile which landed on a house in Kashmir

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Background:

Spike LR, a fourth-generation fire-and-forget anti-tank guided missile, has been designed and developed by Israel’s Rafael Advanced Defense Systems.

It is pertinent to mention that RAFAEL's Spike Family includes Spike NLOS, Spike ER, Spike MR/LR and Spike SR.

Short range SR / medium range MR / Long range LR / ER extended range (helicopter)/ Mini Spike / spike NLOS (Non Line Of Sight") is an ultra-long range version of the weapon (Israeli special ops )

Indian Army had successfully test-fired the newly-acquired Spike anti-tank guided missiles.

A per the specifications “Spike LR can engage a target with precision at ranges up to four km.”

India is the 33rd country to procure the Spike missile from Israel. India has acquired 240 spike missiles from Israel after the Balakot operation debacle.

After Feb 27, 2019 Balakot airstrike debacle India is under immense pressure and great panic as Indian NAG ATGM were under testing phase still not developed whereas long placed expensive order of Spike missile system was rejected by the parliament.

Driven by panic the Indian Army had to place urgent short order of Spike missile system as per requirement until homemade NAG system gets developed as deal swings in between approval and suspension.

On the other hand Israel had developed 5th generation of Spike missile now they are in NO need of BGM TOW weapon system so they found India--a suitable market to sell it.

Though not publically disclosed but as per inside reports during urgent sale deal of Spike, Israel sold some under the table BGM TOW to clear off their stocks.

The under the table deal was made to avoid US wrath since it is US-Made weapon system and she would not allow its sale to a third country as it has specific identification types.

Israel is user of BGM along with other 36 nations of which

only Israel and India have weapon contract though in the media only Spike deal is made public but under the table India is also buying BGM as the country is in need of ATGMs.

Interesting both failed which is another debacle for the manufacturer but for the buyer as well.

Above all Indian action of using short/Long range guided missile in civilian populated area is a war crime, an utter violation of international laws, which needs to be addressed at higher international forum such as UN.

@Horus / @The Eagle @Dubious @Arsalan - please feature the thread
 
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Lol.
It is Pakistan which uses BGM 71 TOW not India.
It is clearly a Pak army TOW which malfunctioned and was lost due to wire snapping (happens with 1 in every 43 ATGMs as per a study).
 
Lol.
It is Pakistan which uses BGM 71 TOW not India.
It is clearly a Pak army TOW which malfunctioned and was lost due to wire snapping (happens with 1 in every 43 ATGMs as per a study).
If it was ours it would bear standard Nato markings, remember how you pulled the AIM120c5 from Su30 's butt and showcased to the world....that had standard marking i.e s/n . lot no. Contract no. Etc.....all that missing on this one
 
that had standard marking i.e s/n . lot no. Contract no. Etc.....all that missing on this one

Was the tube discovered? Individual TOW missiles don't have serial markings, just the tubes. Unless the tube was found too not seeing a serial number or manufacturer's markings is normal.


That's likely a TOW too. While not as pronounced as the aft end of a Spike missile, some TOWs do show remnants of their control system if they crash or fail.

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That's a TOW missile found by a US Army EOD tech at an ordinance range in Washington State. Same control fins and guidance section as the missile shown in the photos from Pakistan. Spike's control fins are different and its guidance section is longer.

What we're seeing is probably a failed TOW launch from Pakistan, a known user of TOW, given how intact the missile seems, and not a Spike missile.
 
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That's a TOW missile found by a US Army EOD tech at an ordinance range in Washington State. Same control fins and guidance section as the missile shown in the photos from Pakistan.

What we're seeing is probably a failed TOW launch from Pakistan, a known user of TOW, given how intact the missile seems, and not a Spike missile.
Please read the document quoted above, Missiles are identified by Lot Number & S/N. even the picture you shared above shows S/N....

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If it was ours it would bear standard Nato markings, remember how you pulled the AIM120c5 from Su30 's butt and showcased to the world....that had standard marking i.e s/n . lot no. Contract no. Etc.....all that missing on this one
There is a thinking even that was of Israeli origin based on boots of soldiers near it plus his uniform. So it took one day for them for press conference. IDK how then documents show that we had that from US in 2005

@DavidSling would you like to comment on uniform.. also the green color in your name is same as mine or there is difference (some colour-blindness)?
 
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Was the tube discovered? Individual TOW missiles don't have serial markings, just the tubes. Unless the tube was found too not seeing a serial number or manufacturer's markings is normal.



That's likely a TOW too. While not as pronounced as the aft end of a Spike missile, some TOWs do show remnants of their control system if they crash or fail.

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Am not the author of this work so i cannot comment on that, however I would love to argue that if it is indeed a Tow 2A, then where did it come from. I am presenting an argument here that it does not belong to Pakistan, since the standard markings are missing
 
Please read the document quoted above, Missiles are identified by Lot Number & S/N. even the picture you shared above shows S/N....

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That's not the TOW's serial number, but the batch serial number of the control unit. If you don't find the discarded control unit, you wont find that number on a TOW missile.

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TOW missiles themselves don't have serial numbers.

Am not the author of this work so i cannot comment on that, however I would love to argue that if it is indeed a Tow 2A, then where did it come from.

Then let's debate. I was in the USMC for over a decade, I've seen TOW missiles and Israeli Spikes. What's being shown in both pictures is, from my experience with them, a TOW missile.
 
That's not the TOW's serial number, but the batch serial number of the control unit.
can you back that up with evidence? even that is missing from the missile showcased in OP

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It is clearly a Pak army TOW which malfunctioned and was lost due to wire snapping (happens with 1 in every 43 ATGMs as per a study).
As per the study quoted by yourself, where did the 43 missiles go :what: turned into flowers when landed onto Indian sides?

TOW missiles themselves don't have serial numbers.
US Mil document clearly stats how Individual missiles are identified and how Missile Tubes are marked / numbers and tracked. So i don't understand why are not accepting this fact that TOW missiles do indeed have S/N & Lot number marked on them.


Then let's debate. I was in the USMC for over a decade, I've seen TOW missiles and Israeli Spikes. What's being shown in both pictures is, from my experience with them, a TOW missile.
Lets say that is indeed a TOW -2A missile (71h probably? ) , where did it come from. My argument is it certainly did not come from Pakistan military & evidence is available to back that up
 

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