Possible War with India

[padamchen]

hahaha! Do you know how Abdali an away from Marathas? You will rule India? How? Who will allow that? Making jokes is one thing but living in fantasy is another

The message is clear.

It is time that the rest of the Hindus make right the mess they made of the Maratha fightback.

First reclaim your land.

Then search for civilizational allies and guide them back.

Cheers, Doc

 

[LeGenD]

That was the case when Indian equipment and Pakistani equipment were both imports. With indigenous equipment manufacturing in India, it is not the case anymore

You are being over-optimistic.

Domestic or imported - how the equipment is utilized (tactics), how the equipment is dispersed across the country (complexity), response times in different locations and situational awareness - these factors are important. Make an attempt to intrude into Pakistani airspace and you will find out.

Shooting drones is easy. Shooting planes is hard

Sweeping generalization. Drones can be small (with small RCS) and fly at low altitudes to reduce chances of detection. Good situational awareness is necessary to defeat these type of threats, and Pakistan have shown its capability likewise.

As for the Jets, please take your time to learn about an incident involving IAF MIG-29 on December 13, 2008. PAF Jets intercepted every IAF Jet in night-time conditions and achieved relevant locks but Indian pilots realized this a bit too late.

The number of radars with Pakistan is limited and is imported. So, there lies the problem of Pakistan. Indian radars are all indigenous. Hence initial strike of missiles to take the radars out will be successful against Pakistan but not India

You lack in knowledge of Pakistani radar coverage, networking and how surveillance assets are utilized.

We have 6 x AN/TPS-77 phased array surveillance radar systems in our inventory; each is transportable (mobile), and can search for targets up to 470 KM away from its position (100,000 foot ceiling). These radar systems offer excellent target acquisition capabilities and can detect different types of missiles including anti-radiation types. Where each is positioned, is something IAF has to worry about but keep in mind that these are mobile platforms.

In addition to AN/TPS-77, Pakistan have fielded many more across its terrain (including 'early warning' types) to plug gaps. There is C&C infrastructure in place (C4ISR), which enable these radar systems to talk to each other and make it possible for PAF to respond to threats in timely fashion whereever they materialize.

Should political climate become hostile, AEW&C assets will be airborne and will provide coverage of unusual activity across the border to a certain level. PAF (on the whole) would be on red alert status, and their is probability of conducting some preemptive strikes inside India with standoff munitions (Ra'ad).

I am not saying that IAF cannot overwhelm PAF and/or breach Pakistani defenses but if you think that Pakistani defenses - in their current form - are walk in the park for India, then you are deluding yourself. Please conduct interviews of Indian pilots who learned a lesson on December 13, 2008.

Pakistan is not in bronze age, my silly neighbor.

SAM is very important as aerial defence of airforce is not enough. It will come down to who has a better plane and pilot. In case of SAM, the missile has 40g maneuver and much faster speed than a plane and hence avoiding is very difficult

I understand this but a wise planner concentrate on the entire defensive architecture and doctrine of the opponent, and not on specific capabilities in isolation.

How many radar systems your forces can knock out in one go? What about their concealment techniques, mobility and dispersement? What about BVR engagement capability of PAF? What about surveillance assets which would alert PAF to Indian offensive patterns? What about preemptive strikes from PAF? - These are all pressing matters, and Pakistani forces are not lacking in skill and tactics.

IAF have no choice but to strike on a massive scale but it risks crossing nuclear threshold in the process (in addition to inculcating numerous conventional losses). How far your military planners are willing to go knowing that Indian cities and military bases are not safe and cost would be excessive?

This is the main problem of Pakistan - imports. How will Pakistan repair the tank if it needs spare from China? China has different tanks for itself and hence does not keep spares ready to supply Pakistan. Pakistan has to place orders and after that China will manufacture and give. All this takes time and not quickly done in war.

Ever heard of stockpiling?

And Pakistan manufacture a large number of spare parts for different types of equipment domestically, at present.

Cruise missiles are far worse and can be shot down using BVRAAM missiles like Astra from a fighter jet.

This is a big misconception. Yes, it is possible to shoot down cruise missiles but this is excessively difficult task in reality.

Cruise missiles tend to fly really low and change course during the course of their flight. This is why it become a daunting task in finding each, and an attempt to intercept each can be too late. You will be forced to dedicate a large number of assets to this end alone, which is not advisable in high-stakes engagement scenario.

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People look at American MDS capabilities (and experiments) and mistakenly assume that their country can produce similar outcomes. People do not realize that US is laughably ahead of other countries in the matters of defense and its defense budget is huge. These are not standard capabilities, for majority of countries. Even Russian MDS capabilities pale in comparison to American.

OR

People are taking poor quality journalism/Russian propaganda way too seriously.

Yes, obviously. It will be the last war that will settle things forever

This war will not produce any winner, mind you. India need a robust MDS first which will not be the case anytime soon.

 

[Sinnerman108]

The message is clear.

It is time that the rest of the Hindus make right the mess they made of the Maratha fightback.

First reclaim your land.

Then search for civilizational allies and guide them back.

Cheers, Doc

Message is as follows:
US and Europe are going to retain the trade world order at all costs.
Russia and China will not be allowed the routes.

Between the war of whites and yellow chinese
the brown are going to get slaughtered forever.

 

[padamchen]

Message is as follows:
US and Europe are going to retain the trade world order at all costs.
Russia and China will not be allowed the routes.

Between the war of whites and yellow chinese
the brown are going to get slaughtered forever.

I don't think the browns have time for the money.

It's a war of faiths for them.

Always has been.

All major world faiths have been given to humanity by the browns.

The cradle of civilization.

Ancient civilizations will reassert themselves.

And colonize the world.

But that is a war for the coming century.

In this one we will kill each other to the point of extinction.

The Jews. The Arabs. The Persians. The Hindus. The Chinese.

The perfect storm.

Cheers, Doc

 

[kalakaar]

There is panic among Pakistanis that what if India strikes. Their media, activists and their establishment made statements that they are ready. I am loving the Pakistani notanki (drama)

 

[padamchen]

There is panic among Pakistanis that what if India strikes. Their media, activists and their establishment made statements that they are ready. I am loving the Pakistani notanki (drama)

Another factor being that now with Imran they think they actually might be having something to lose.

That can be a very sobering hook into reality.

But you seem to have the pulse. I detect a marked absence of their usual braggadocio.

Cheers, Doc

 

[kalakaar]

Another factor being that now with Imran they think they actually might be having something to lose.

That can be a very sobering hook into reality.

But you seem to have the pulse. I detect a marked absence of their usual braggadocio.

Cheers, Doc

This is to go on now. They can't risk losing war when Imran Khan is their PM this will tarnish Imrana's image forever. So better not to fight and do the nautanki.

 

[Vijyes Yechury]

How many radar systems your forces can knock out in one go? What about their concealment techniques, mobility and dispersement? What about BVR engagement capability of PAF? What about surveillance assets which would alert PAF to Indian offensive patterns? What about preemptive strikes from PAF? - These are all pressing matters, and Pakistani forces are not lacking in skill and tactics.

Indian borders are covered by multiple layers of SAM - LR SAM and Akash. So, there can be no pre-emptive strike without SAM activating and shooting down intruders. How will you bypass SAM without any advantage like satellite surveillance or advanced aircrafts?

IAF have no choice but to strike on a massive scale but it risks crossing nuclear threshold in the process (in addition to inculcating numerous conventional losses). How far your military planners are willing to go knowing that Indian cities and military bases are not safe and cost would be excessive?

If there is war, it will be full scale. Depending on requirements, India will decide this. If situation becomes untenable, there will be war. India prefers to wait and develop its economy and infrastructure first before war is waged. If there is enough infrastructure, even if some gets destroyed, some other will remain from which we will rebuild.

Cruise missiles tend to fly really low and change course during the course of their flight. This is why it become a daunting task in finding each, and an attempt to intercept each can be too late. You will be forced to dedicate a large number of assets to this end alone, which is not advisable in high-stakes engagement scenario.

Cruise missiles will fly low only is terrain is well known or it is plain land. Terrain in India and Pakistan is mostly mountainous and there will be too may obstacles for low flying. It is very difficult to have exact terrain mapping as well as precise navigation system to determine pin point location without being jammed (GPS can be jammed).

This war will not produce any winner, mind you. India need a robust MDS first which will not be the case anytime soon.

India has a robust MDS and can make production of goods rapidly. But USA, China, Arabs etc are persuading India against this. They want their economy to not be spoilt from Indian attack. India gets remittance and investment for this very reason - to keep quiet. We will keep quiet condition to situation not crossing a line

 

[padamchen]

This is to go on now. They can't risk losing war when Imran Khan is their PM this will tarnish Imrana's image forever. So better not to fight and do the nautanki.

They will for a change not be the ones in control however.

They will be passengers in the next one coming.

It will be fought on India's terms.At a time and place of our choosing.

Cheers, Doc

 

[Mentee]

It's fun pinching a Savage sanghi mob forever. Stronk sanghis at home, pleaj pleaj pleaj otherwise.

 

[IceCold]

And India will not attack you alone either ....

Cheers, Doc

so India will not attack us alone, r u implying that pakistan will be alone ?

 

[padamchen]

so India will not attack us alone, r u implying that pakistan will be alone ?

It will not matter.

We split you in two with the US battlegroup in our waters.

Things will only be better now.

Cheers, Doc

 

[El Sidd]

Yes, Kahmiris have to be sent to Pakistan. But the land is not Pakistani. The people ca exist separate from land

Lang belongs to Allah

 

[Mentee]

It will not matter.

We split you in two with the US battlegroup in our waters.

Things will only be better now.

Cheers, Doc

Had Pakistan been in the British east Indian unions boots, we'd had sliced you in many different city states.
But since we are dealing with gutless cowards for whom to win a war the enemy needs to be 6 times smaller and that too in an unprecedented favorable situation.

 

[padamchen]

Had Pakistan been in the British east Indian unions boots, we'd had sliced you in many different city states.
But since we are dealing with gutless cowards for whom to win a war the enemy needs to be 6 times smaller and that too in an unprecedented favorable situation.


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You seem hurt by 1971.

I really don't care.

We will not stop. We just took a break.

And always remember desi. It was a Persian general who did you.

Cheers, Doc