Polish enterprises will take part in westernization of ANTONOV aircraft

[Hindustani78]

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04-06-2015 / Polish enterprises will take part in westernization of ANTONOV aircraft
In Bydgoszcz, Poland, a Polish−Ukrainian forum “Westernization of ANTONOV aircraft” was held. Its main goal was joint realization of the program on westernization of vendor items, installed on ANTONOV aircraft, provision of ANTONOV aircraft to meet European requirements and standards.

From the Polish side representatives of aviation enterprises took part in it, including: WZL – 1/3 aircraft repair and overhaul plant in Budgosch, Drabpol Company, Arboleda Company, Polish Aviation Institute, BBC ITWL Techical institute, other companies and organizations of the country.

From the Ukrainian side representatives of ANTONOV Company took part in the event.

Within the forum possible directions of interaction between Polish and Ukrainian enterprises were discussed. Among a range of issues were the following:

− creation of Ukrainian−Polish consortium to develop special variants of ANTONOV aircraft with increased list of components of the Polish and other European countries production;

− improvement of possibilities of information interchange within work on joint directions and connected with it conduction of specialized forums with participation of Ukrainian and Poland enterprises;

− writing of joint proposal on equipping ministries of Ukraine and Poland with patrol aircraft of new generation.

Oleg Bogdanov, Deputy General Designer of ANTONOV Company, presented the company’s proposals regarding above−mentioned issues. He made a report “Proposals on cooperation between ANTONOV Company and Polish companies on westernization of the AN−148, AN−158 and AN−178 families” and presented a project of a patrol aircraft of new generation. This new aircraft can be jointly created basing on the AN−148 regional passenger aircraft. A process of organization of International consortium was started to realize this program.

The forum participants discussed reports and planned practical steps towards realization of cooperation in these directions and, in particular, in creation of Polish−Ukrainian consortium.

One of the consortium’s primary tasks is writing of proposals on new patrol aircraft and its submission for consideration of MoD of Ukraine and Poland.

 

[Sinnerman108]

I believe Polish are the underdogs here,
they are the most underrated side,

I also believe they are nicely placed between east and west; and if they can get this right,
they will have many more projects westernizing many eastern systems and vice versa.

 

[Galad]

Op once again posting and spreading pure lies and propaganda or if you choose day-dreaming.Nothing of it will be ever implemented.Poland has absolutely zero knowledge how to build big planes.Poland also has no money-country already received immense amount from EU and still people keep leaving it to work in the West.Ukraine has no money even to pay for the medicines in hospitals or pay its gas(again this year EU will have to give away money)or to buy coal for the power plants(26 units were off last time i did check ),not to mention no money to pay the debts.One of the Ans mentioned above(feel free to check which one) was jointly developed and payed by Russia.And most importantly -neither Airbus nor Boeing (and their powerful lobbies) will allow such planes to be created...ever.

 

[Hindustani78]

Op once again posting and spreading pure lies and propaganda or if you choose day-dreaming.Nothing of it will be ever implemented.Poland has absolutely zero knowledge how to build big planes.Poland also has no money-country already received immense amount from EU and still people keep leaving it to work in the West.Ukraine has no money even to pay for the medicines in hospitals or pay its gas(again this year EU will have to give away money)or to buy coal for the power plants(26 units were off last time i did check ),not to mention no money to pay the debts.One of the Ans mentioned above(feel free to check which one) was jointly developed and payed by Russia.And most importantly -neither Airbus nor Boeing (and their powerful lobbies) will allow such planes to be created...ever.

Poland now counts over 120 aviation and aviation-related companies with 25,000 employees which leads aeronautics to one of the most innovative sectors in the country’s economy. With more than 90% of their production exported (mainly in USA, Italy, France, UK and Canada) the Poland is worldwide well-known for its ability to meet the requirements of the greatest international OEMs such as Airbus Group, Dassault Aviation, AgustaWestland, Safran, Thomson, etc.

Polish companies are able to manufacture parts to the most modern aircrafts, such as the Boeing 737, the Airbus A380 and the Boeing 787 Dreamliner which is particularly important in times of crisis, when the major manufacturers began to look for cheaper suppliers that are still able to ensure the highest quality.

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Ukraine is moving towards NATO and now its more clearly visible with the joint co production among defense industries.

 

[Galad]

Don't pay attention to OP-he is known to copy/paste articles without even thinking for second .
All of the 3 Ans have been build using Russian details with cooperation with Russian companies.First of all in order to even start dreaming about selling Ans in the West Ukraine needs to modernize all manufacturing plants(no money for such task) and certify every single of the planes parts according to USA/EU standards(this also cost money and require long time). Certifying will be required even in the case with "simple" replacement of Russia produced parts with Poland ones(what a joke!). Replacing the parts means basically new plane-who will give the money and moreover who will allow such investment in Antonov ?Just for example for close cooperation with Russia- the engine is build 80 % Russian parts.
New engine will have to build-build by who with parts from who?Who will design them?Where will be state tests be held?All tests of ANs have been done in Russia.Neither Ukraine nor Poland have the capability to produce planes.
Not to mention Airbus and Boing will never allow competitor at their market-they have the money,they have powerful lobbies,they have "friends" in certifying organizations .
Antonov itself is in very bad shape -2014 could not even produce and deliver An 158 to Cuba(contract received thanks to Russia). Plan was for 3 produced and delivered . Yuzmash(another used-to-be-great Ukrainian company now on the brink of closure) did not deliver required parts to Antonov(same goes for rest of the companies producing details).Thanks again to Russian company parts for 1x An 148(ordered by SK company),1 x An 158 (for Cuba) and experimental An 178(with Russian engine) have been delivered.
So in short OP once again intentionally is spreading lies.Or if you prefer-daydreaming.

 

[vostok]

Translation from the propaganda language to the real one .
Poland prepare to steal part of the Soviet technology from the Antonov (what for? they are not industrial country any more, like in socialist days).
Ukraine expects the de-industrialization and the transition to the position of indentured servants / slaves / prostitutes to the West.
We say goodbye to the glory days, when we build the world's best missiles, planes, ships ...
Farewell to the era of industry in Ukraine.

 

[Penguin]

Translation from the propaganda language to the real one .
Poland prepare to steal part of the Soviet technology from the Antonov (what for? they are not industrial country any more, like in socialist days).
Ukraine expects the de-industrialization and the transition to the position of indentured servants / slaves / prostitutes to the West.
We say goodbye to the glory days, when we build the world's best missiles, planes, ships ...
Farewell to the era of industry in Ukraine.

What soviet technology? What is there to steal? Fields of commercial activity of Antonov ASTC:

• Aircraft design and manufacturing (transports mainly)
• Cargo air transport (Antonov Airlines)
• Aircraft maintenance, testing, certification and upgrading
• Aerospace-related research and engineering
  • "Aerial Launch": a joint Russian-Ukrainian project of midair spacecraft space launch from aboard a modified version of the AN-225.
• Operation of the Anotnov Airport (Gostomel airport)
• Trollybus construction and manufacture (a spin-off, using existing technical expertise).

During the Soviet period, not all Antonov-designed aircraft were manufactured by the company itself. As a result, Antonov aeroplanes are often assembled by the specialist contract manufacturers. In 2009, the once-independent "Aviant" aeroplane-assembling plant in Kyiv became part of the Antonov State Company, facilitating a full serial manufacturing cycle of the company. However, the old tradition of co-manufacturing with contractors is continued, both with Soviet-time partners and with new licensees like HESA of Iran.

AN-148-100B (RA-61703) at Pulkovo Airport 12Aug10

Antonov AN-158-100

AN-178

 

[Superboy]

Does Antonov make figher jets? Antonov was founded by a Russian who later moved Antonov from Russia to Ukraine. When USSR split Ukraine kept Antonov.

 

[Penguin]

Op once again posting and spreading pure lies and propaganda or if you choose day-dreaming.Nothing of it will be ever implemented.Poland has absolutely zero knowledge how to build big planes.Poland also has no money-country already received immense amount from EU and still people keep leaving it to work in the West.Ukraine has no money even to pay for the medicines in hospitals or pay its gas(again this year EU will have to give away money)or to buy coal for the power plants(26 units were off last time i did check ),not to mention no money to pay the debts.One of the Ans mentioned above(feel free to check which one) was jointly developed and payed by Russia.And most importantly -neither Airbus nor Boeing (and their powerful lobbies) will allow such planes to be created...ever.

Airbus Group has been a contributing partner to the Polish aerospace industry for nearly 2 decades. Key activities include aircraft production and manufacturing of aerostructures, components and systems for civil and military use.

In recent years, Poland has proven its technological and industrial capacity with a highly skilled workforce and impressive resources. The country has become an established and internationally recognised industry leader, supplying parts for the full range of Airbus aircraft. Airbus Group’s sourcing from Poland amounts to around €191 million, including aerostructures, systems and services, and the Company employs a local workforce of 850 highly skilled employees.
Poland is among the few countries continuously maintaining and reinforcing its military power. It has a vibrant economy, a growing GDP and stable political system, as well as engineering expertise supported by long-term investment plans.

Airbus Group - Poland

New investment in Poland’s aerospace industry
Case study
Over the last decade there has been an influx of large aerospace companies from Western Europe and North America into the Podkarpacie region of Poland, centred around the southeastern city of Rzeszow. Now dubbed ‘Aviation Valley’, the area has been at the heart of Poland’s aerospace sector since the late 1930s and is now being revitalised by new companies from outside the region setting up shop there.
Foreign investment in the Polish aerospace industry, such as the Anglo-Italian AgustaWestland’s acquisition of Poland’s helicopter manufacturer PZL Swidnik in 2010, has seen a complete overhaul of the country’s aerospace industry since the days when Polish companies were geared entirely towards producing aircraft for the Soviet Union and its allies.
Now most Polish aerospace companies are foreign-owned and fully integrated into a global supply chain, including medium and small-sized companies that are growing and taking on new workers.
The total aerospace workforce in the region now stands at some 23,000. Companies such as Sikorsky (USA) and Pratt & Whitney (USA) have joined AgustaWestland in taking over former state-run companies, while others have started Polish operations from scratch. MTU (Germany), Hispano-Suiza (France), Goodrich (USA) and Avio (Italy) have all started operations in Poland in recent years.
Although labour costs are lower than in western Europe, Poland does not want to be seen as growing its aerospace business on the basis of cost alone. There is continued investment in the education system; with technical universities with specific aerospace disciplines; standards of English are high; and business standards are very transparent. This provides an environment in which Poles aspire to adding value in design, engineering, development and research, as well as assembly.
In recent years the Aviation Valley has grown to an aerospace cluster of almost 100 companies, representing 80% of Poland’s aerospace industry.

New investment in Poland’s aerospace industry : Aviation: Benefits Beyond Borders

Association of Polish Aviation Industry ( official Polish name: Stowarzyszenie Polskiego Przemysłu Lotniczego) was established in 2004, as a non-profit organization, as a means to furthering the rapid development and growth of the aerospace industry in Poland. APAI represents the aeronautics, space, defence and security industries in Poland in all matters of common interest with the objective of promoting and supporting the competitive development of the sector.
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The Association of Polish Aviation Industry currently gathers 31 companies and institutions in the aircraft sector (5 R&D institutions,14 large enterprises and 12 SMS’s) with the total number of 13 800 employees.
APAI is a member of The AeroSpace and Defence Industries Association of Europe ( ASD).

APAI

Aerospace Industry in Poland
Poland, a long-standing history in aeronautics

Poland can boast over 100 years history and tradition in the aviation industry, and more than 80 years’ experience of aircraft production and aviation personnel training. Light aircrafts, gliders, engines and avant-garde construction solutions were already created in the country during the interwar period.
The strong development of the sector is especially due to the strong academics and engineers environments. They played a key role in its reconstruction from scratch after 1945 and successfully got through a difficult restructuring period of the 1990's, when half of the 40.000 people working in aviation were dismissed: only the top specialists remained in the industry.
Poland now counts over 120 aviation and aviation-related companies with 25,000 employees which leads aeronautics to one of the most innovative sectors in the country’s economy. With more than 90% of their production exported (mainly in USA, Italy, France, UK and Canada) the Poland is worldwide well-known for its ability to meet the requirements of the greatest international OEMs such as Airbus Group, Dassault Aviation, AgustaWestland, Safran, Thomson, etc.
As a matter of fact, Polish part manufacturing equips almost every civil aircraft in the world.
Poland, a long-lasting involvement in the aerospace industry
Over the past 20 years, the volume of aircraft production on the global market has doubled in Poland.
The resistance of the country’s aviation industry to the turbulence of the world economy can find an answer in the fact that it counts a large number of small and medium-sized businesses, including family businesses. These companies are able to manufacture parts to the most modern aircrafts, such as the Boeing 737, the Airbus A380 and the Boeing 787 Dreamliner which is particularly important in times of crisis, when the major manufacturers began to look for cheaper suppliers that are still able to ensure the highest quality.
With 800 million euros annual sales, the chain of Polish aerospace suppliers is consistently developed. In order to ensure aviation companies the best qualified staff, the country’s aerospace clusters actively collaborate with the academic environment and other educational institutions.
A notable trend is the opening in recent years by a number of universities of new aviation-related programmes such as “Aviation Management” (Rzeszow School of Information Technology & Management) or Air Transport Infrastructure (Cracow University of Technology). Each year, Polish universities graduate approximately 20.000 engineers and experts that are responding to the market needs: R&D centres alone need for at least 300 new engineers each year. According to the Aviation Valley estimates, in the coming years the sector in Poland will need about a thousand new highly skilled workers.
Companies’ important investment on R&D (PLN 35.468K amounted by 128 aerospace companies in 2009), cooperation with research centers, participation in international projects, developing clusters and human potential with qualified workers trained in highly developed universities contribute to the quality of the Polish aviation industry.

Poland & Aerospace Industry

 

[Hindustani78]

Does Antonov make figher jets? Antonov was founded by a Russian who later moved Antonov from Russia to Ukraine. When USSR split Ukraine kept Antonov.

Passenger, transport and special-purpose aircraft.

New patrol aircraft will be made by poland and Ukraine

 

[Penguin]

The Antonov An-148 (Ukrainian: Антонов Ан-148) is a regional jet aircraft designed by the Ukrainian Antonov company and produced by Antonov itself and also on outsource by Russia's Voronezh Aircraft Production Association. Development of the plane was started in the 1990s, and the maiden flight took place on 17 November 2004. The plane completed its certification programme on 26 February 2007. The An-148 has a maximum range of 2,100–4,400 kilometers and is able to carry 68–85 passengers, depending on the configuration.
The Antonov An-158 is a stretched fuselage version of the aircraft, accommodating up to 99 passengers.

The beginning of the An-148 project dates to the early 1990s, when work on the Antonov An-74 passenger modification started, headed by Petro Balabuev. In 2001, the project was renamed to An-148. The An-74 fuselage was extended and the new plane's wing design was created from scratch. The developers initially used the Motor Sich D-436-148 engines. Other variants with Western-made engines with thrust of 6000–8000 kgf (such as the General Electric CF34 or Rolls-Royce BR700) are being considered.[10]
In 2002, production of the first 3 prototypes was begun at AVIANT. On 17 November 2004, the first prototype completed its maiden flight. Second prototype joined the testing programme in April 2005.[11] During the certification programme, the two prototypes performed about 600 flights in total.[12] On 26 February 2007 the aircraft, its D-436-148 engine and the AI-450-МS auxiliary power unit were certified by the Interstate Aviation Committee of Russia and the State Aviation Administration of Ukraine. On 28 June 2009, the first serially produced An-148, manufactured at VASO in Voronezh took to the skies.[11]
The An-148 is manufactured by the Ukrainian Kiev AVIANT plant (now "Antonov Serial Production Plant") and Russia's Voronezh Aircraft Production Association (VASO). Although numerous companies are involved in the project, at least 70% of the aircraft's hardware is made by Russian manufacturers.[13] Due to its technical parameters, the An-148 has become popular on the regional passenger airliner market.[9] The An-148's list price is about $24–30 million.[9] The main problem with the project has been increasing the plane's sluggish production rate. The then-independent AVIANT plant initially failed to satisfy to growing orders, leading to VASO's growing involvement in the plane's assembly.[9]

Antonov An-148 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The An-178 is a potential competitor for the Alenia C-27J Spartan from Italy, EADS CASA C-295 from Spain, Lockheed Martin C-130J from the United States, Embraer KC-390 from Brazil and the Ilyushin Il-214 from the Russian Federation

Antonov An-178 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In essence, manufacturing of many components was largely outsourced. A substantial majority to Russian companies. It is not surprising to see a company like Antonov seek other suppliers under the given circumstances (what did the Rusisans expect?)

While in the Netherlands our last aircraft producer (Fokker) went bankrupt in 1996, there still remains a sting of vibrant aerospace companies - Fokker offspring - that are active providing components e.g. for F-16 and F-35. See also Fokker Technologies and Rekkof Aircraft.

 

[Superboy]

Who's going to invest in a failed state plagued by war? I sure wouldn't.

 

[Beidou2020]

This is what happens when you let foreign NGO's run wild inside your country.

Western terrorist groups like Blackwater and CIA were the 'protestors' in Kiev.

Russia was too slow to act by sitting on the sidelines instead of getting Russian FSB inside Kiev to counter the American terrorists.

Op once again posting and spreading pure lies and propaganda or if you choose day-dreaming.Nothing of it will be ever implemented.Poland has absolutely zero knowledge how to build big planes.Poland also has no money-country already received immense amount from EU and still people keep leaving it to work in the West.Ukraine has no money even to pay for the medicines in hospitals or pay its gas(again this year EU will have to give away money)or to buy coal for the power plants(26 units were off last time i did check ),not to mention no money to pay the debts.One of the Ans mentioned above(feel free to check which one) was jointly developed and payed by Russia.And most importantly -neither Airbus nor Boeing (and their powerful lobbies) will allow such planes to be created...ever.

The OP is a CIA bot. He is certainly not Indian. No Indian has an obsession with anti-Russian propaganda. This guy is most likely CIA/NSA/bot working for the American regime.

 

[Penguin]

Who's going to invest in a failed state plagued by war? I sure wouldn't.

You don't have that kind of money, so who cares.

This is what happens when you let foreign NGO's run wild inside your country.

Western terrorist groups like Blackwater and CIA were the 'protestors' in Kiev.

Russia was too slow to act by sitting on the sidelines instead of getting Russian FSB inside Kiev to counter the American terrorists.


The OP is a CIA bot. He is certainly not Indian. No Indian has an obsession with anti-Russian propaganda. This guy is most likely CIA/NSA/bot working for the American regime.

 

[Hindustani78]

The OP is a CIA bot. He is certainly not Indian. No Indian has an obsession with anti-Russian propaganda. This guy is most likely CIA/NSA/bot working for the American regime.

If you are talking regarding me then once again i will clear that I am Indian and i dont need any certificate from you to improve it.

India and United States are having good relations and they have signed 10 years defense agreement.