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Police Brutality on Rise in US OF A

These kids sitting in Pakistan talking trash about American police, yet American police is far less likely to be corrupt and rishwat khor (bribe takers) compared to Pakistani police, or police from any south Asian country for that matter.

Also, please Pakistanis stop shedding fake crocodile tears for American blacks here when you treat Afghan refugees no differently to what you accuse Americans of, while ironically also trying to migrate to America.

Thirdly, please stop worrying about alleged injustices in a country (America) where people are still more likely to get justice compared to Pakistan where only the rich get justice.

If an American black had to choose a country to live in between America and Pakistan, he will choose America hands down, even most Pakistanis would since so many want to migrate there. So please get off your moral high horse, you look like hypocrites.


In fact you might not even have to go that far away to give him an example.

In Pakistan the police is so corrupt and defunct in some places that rangers have to be called in and they use deadly force against, what do you know 13-15 year old boys with plastic guns


@AZADPAKISTAN2009

Lot of people are just too sheltered from some realities....and they have been spoonfed some potent crap to delude themselves (or numb themselves) even more....so no amount of argument/debate will shift an iota of their entrenched emotional formulation.

It is the basic thing I have learned from the post-internet-boom period of world history.
 
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So are the videos posted about American police :-)

Don't know about them but yeh ranger Zara Josh main aa gaya lekin Jab Tak ussay kuch samjh aati goli chal gayi thi
 
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Lot of people are just too sheltered from some realities....and they have been spoonfed some potent crap to delude themselves (or numb themselves) even more....so no amount of argument/debate will shift an iota of their entrenched emotional formulation.

It is the basic thing I have learned from the post-internet-boom period of world history.
Exactly man.

Don't know about them but yeh ranger Zara Josh main aa gaya lekin Jan Tak ussay kuch samjh aati goli chal gayi thi
He shot a kid who had a plastic toy. Unnecessary use of force and cold murder.

At least that's the narrative people here would have used if it had been an American cop that did the same.
 
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Well it is good to know for Minorities who travel to USA to be careful around US police as they have a very bad human rights record

One thing which has emerged dangerously real is that , things can escalate very quickly with US police as their only options are ....

a) Take you down by full force to ground , as seen being done against 12-13 year old children
b) Shoot you and ask questions later

And that is not a safe situation for minorities to be in

Alot of incidents exist that a person is fully healthy and normal , only dead later , for news to emerge he was stopped for a traffic check by Police
 
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In fact you might not even have to go that far away to give him an example.
Threads like this about the US are essentially intellectually dishonest when examined in details.

The police force -- ANY police force -- is a quasi-military organization. Some members may not be trained in meting out violence as part of their duties, but that does not mean violence is not a trait of the larger force.

The word 'enforcement' in law enforcement implies forced compliance to laws and orders.

First is the law. Compliance can be voluntary or involuntary. Voluntary compliance to the law is the most desirable. But if moral compulsion is not possible, then involuntary compliance is the next resort. To allow anyone to exercise involuntary compliance to the law is to invite societal chaos. In any community, there must -- not should -- be only one figure of authority, in other words, only one source of violence, and that source is the state.

Second is order. If moral compulsion to obey the law is not possible, the next method is an expression of what the state want regarding obedience to the law, and that expression is by a representative of the state -- the police force. The word 'order' here is not restricted to a verbal or written command by the police. The presence of a police force, with its implied violent behaviors, is usually enough to compel obedience to the law, so the context of 'order' here is more about compliance under threats of violence.

So if we cannot deny violence as a NECESSARY trait for a police force, the next question are when, why, and how is violence exercised.

If violence was a response, the initial consideration is that it was last resort, which implies -- not proved -- that a police officer have exhausted all non-violent means to compel obedience to the law. Sometimes a situation may not allow the officer to even attempt non-violent means and violence became the first resort. No police force -- even those from corrupt societies -- want to resort to violence as first measure. If a police officer from such a corrupt society want something done in his favor, the nature of the society and the fact that violence is always readied, most of the time, the officer will get his way without violence.

So what does the word 'brutality' mean? The accepted context is violence that are above what is necessary to achieve a goal. If the word 'brutality' is intended to be ascribed as a general trait to a police force, it means there has to be a consistent violent response in most situations, including those when non-violent means could have resolve a situation. Not only that, such a higher level of violence must at least be customary, if not institutionalized (codified). To be 'customary' is to be normal without the need to be expressed.

Instances of higher than accepted level violence do exists but each event must be examined and merit or demerit on its own. Most law enforcement officers, state and federal levels, go thru their entire 20+ yrs of service without drawing their firearms in daily duties. This is not counting the gun range where they must qualify periodically. FBI and Secret Service draws their weapons the least frequent when compares to gang oriented police officers in the inner cities. Rural law enforcement draws their firearms more to kill injured animals after collisions with vehicles than to subdue drunks on Saturday nights. Border Patrol agents draws their firearms with greater frequency but that is because of the drug cartels at the US-Mexico border.

So when the data regarding police violence is collated and examined, what US police 'brutality' are we looking at ?
 
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Well the stories are from American, sources mostly to debate rising violence in US police force
and excessive brutality and inhumane behavior

The data is there , on internet , daily news of abuse and neglect
Just how many false arrest happen is anyone's guess

The latest trend appears to be Children around 12-13 year age and violence against that age group , which is different from past interaction against folks who were around 17-18 year age group

The streets and subculture , in streets know Police Brutality exist , they take mobile videos of events to document. The police departments are busy to hide any evidence and most of time they give the Office in question a long leave of absence instead of starting a case against him/her

Many times when victims are poor and they can't afford lawyers these cases remain unheard or forgotten

It's only when Media gets hold of a video of beating or illegal act is when general public knows about the abuse
 
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She already had a lengthy arrest record...including one involving a gun. In fact at the time of the shooting she had a warrant out for her arrest. She wasn't going to go back to jail without a fight.

Still shooting a mother (5 times) because she needed help is just so wrong. Is there a better way in US to deal with repeated and petty crime ?
In China for repeated petty crime they are send to reeducation camps. When they are rehabilitated they do not have a black record allowing them to integrated back into society.

Also the Cop already easily push her down twice. How easy is it for him to hold her down. Do you really want cops on the street that are not trained to handle even a petite 5ft1in mother ?

You did a good job looking up her history. Did you look up the history of the Cop ?

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What we do know about Shipley comes from his internal affairs file. The son of a railroader, he was born in 1989, the same year as Loreal Tsingine, and grew up in Winslow. He got his high school diploma from Abeka Academy, an online distance-learning program run by Pensacola Christian College that’s been criticized for denying scientific concepts like evolution. In July 2012, he joined the Winslow Police Department.

Training records show that as a recruit, he was admonished at least five times for failing to follow orders, and dinged for six other policy violations, including falsifying a report that almost led to a wrongful arrest, taking home a domestic violence report and showing it to his wife so she could proofread it for him, failing to establish probable cause for an arrest, and improperly removing evidence from a secured box.

Instructors noted that he was too quick to reach for his weapon. He also appeared to relish the thought of violence.

“Officer Shipley has made the statement that having a badge gives him the right to harass the public,” Sergeant Ken Havlicek wrote, noting that on one occasion when an intoxicated suspect approached them, Shipley had later stated that “he was waiting for the subject to get stupid with him, so he could fight him.”

In another situation, a suspect became verbally aggressive, but officers were able to calm him down. “Shipley advised me that the next day he went home and ‘pouted’ because I took the fight away from him again,” Havlicek reported afterward.

Shortly before Shipley’s training came to an end in September 2013, Corporal Ron Chisholm wrote a memo to Police Chief Steve Garnett and Lieutenant Ken Arend, urging them not to hire him.

“Officer Shipley continues to falsify reports,” he wrote. “This is not a wording issue. The issue [is] accurately reporting the facts as they took place.”

But Shipley got the job anyway. In a memo later sent to Arizona POST, the standards board for law enforcement agencies, Lieutenant Jim Sepi said he’d been told, “There’s nothing to it; they just don’t like him,” when he asked Arend about Chisholm’s concerns.

Arend, who is still employed by the Winslow Police Department, declined to comment.

And once Shipley became a full-fledged officer, the complaints continued to come in.

In 2013, he was suspended and required to attend diversity training after a woman complained that he’d called her teenage daughter a cunt. (She also accused him of slamming the girl against his squad car, which he denied.)

Then, a month before Tsingine’s death, he received a one-day suspension, this time for using his Taser on a 15-year-old girl who’d disobeyed his orders. He was still on probation the day he responded to the shoplifting call from the Circle K.

There’s little question that Shipley should never have become a police officer, or at very least shouldn’t have been allowed to carry a gun. But was his quickness to pull the trigger indicative of insidious and deep-seated racial prejudice? Because of Shipley’s silence, it’s hard to tell.

“Would he have done the same thing to a white person who was accused of shoplifting?” Andrew Curley of the Bordertown Justice Coalition asks. “Would he have pushed her down like that? I don’t know.”

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If an American black had to choose a country to live in between America and Pakistan, he will choose America hands down, even most Pakistanis would since so many want to migrate there. So please get off your moral high horse, you look like hypocrites.

And yet the management have a right to push further any agenda they wish to on their forum, as we can clearly see.
 
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How about a petite 5foot1in Navajo Mother.

Navajo woman's death at hands of Winslow officer sparks outcry

A Winslow police officer's fatal shooting of a woman suspected of shoplifting a case of beer has sparked outrage in Arizona and elsewhere.

Members of the Navajo Nation, whose reservation borders Winslow, say 27-year-old Loreal Tsingine suffered discrimination and excessive force and are demanding that the officer's name be released.

Winslow police say Tsingine had brandished a pair of scissors threateningly at the officer before she was shot five times on Sunday.

The altercation took place a couple of blocks away from a convenience store where a clerk had reported a theft, said Lt. Jim Sepi, a spokesman for the Winslow Police Department.

The officer approached Tsingine, who fit the clerk's suspect description, according to police: a Native American woman wearing gray sweatpants and a white top.

When the officer attempted to take Tsingine into custody, police say she fought back, presenting the scissors. The officer felt a substantial threat, Sepi said, and shot Tsingine five times.

Winslow Police Chief Stephen Garnett has asked the Arizona Department of Public Safety to conduct an investigation into the shooting.

DPS declined to comment on Tsingine’s actions, words or demeanor, until the case is investigated further.

A community saddened, concerned
Navajos and others have taken to social media to express their grief and anger in the shooting, many using the hashtag #JusticeforLoreal.

Cutcha Risling Baldy@cutchabaldy
When we critique law enforcement & systemic violence it's b/c we all deserve more. More than shots fired and lost lives. #JusticeForLoreal


Andrew Curley, a member of Red Nation, a coalition of Native American and non-Native American activists, said an organic movement has formed to challenge what he called the police violence against Tsingine.

"Loreal is a victim of discrimination, and we want justice," Curley said. "We can all relate to this case because we have all been racially profiled by law enforcement. While we are saddened at (Loreal's) death, we're not surprised because we know that this is a systemic issue."

Curley said the group supported the independent investigation into the shooting and has asked the Navajo Nation to take a more active role in this case.

In a statement, Navajo Nation President Russell Begaye said: “We hear about these types of shootings happening across the country. If there is no legitimate justification for taking Tsingine’s life, then the Navajo Nation wants the fullest extent of the law to be taken in serving justice.”

Vice President Jonathan Nez posted the following statement on Facebook: "The Navajo Nation sends our condolences to her family during this tragedy. Significant numbers of Navajo citizens have expressed public outcry over this violence. We will continue to investigate."

Saturday vigil scheduled
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Fans on Tuesday, Jan. 19, 2016, were leaving flowers, hand-written notes and candles at the corner statue in Winslow to celebrate the life of Eagles band member Glenn Frey, who died Monday, Jan. 18. (Photo: Tom McCauley/AP)


A vigil for Tsingine has been scheduled for 3 p.m. Saturday outside Winslow police headquarters, 708 W. Third St.

Organizers are demanding that the name of the officer involved in the shooting be released and that their concerns on police brutality against Native Americans be taken seriously.

"How many of us have drawn suspicion and have been unfairly harassed by the Flagstaff Police, Winslow Police or the state's highway patrol?" Curley said. "This could have been any of of us. We grieve the loss of a member of our community."




Grasping at straws.

Branding scissors is enough to get shot at. Been done many times when suspects try to stab at police. Even in China they get shot when carrying machetes.
 
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Branding scissors is enough to get shot at. Been done many times when suspects try to stab at police. Even in China they get shot when carrying machetes.

Hi,

Justified when held by a black person---.

Whites can hold a gun and most will not be shot---.

Almost every other cops is waiting for his time to shoot---.

How about little more jazz on the national anthem about great nation


Not sure what happened here but kid was walking the road so Gay Cop keeps telling him to bend down on ground

That is why they are banning automatic weaponry in USA , one day we will wake up and find out 20,000 Blacks have picked up arms and started a Civil war

Hi,

American blacks are INHERENTLY COWARDS---. They will never pick up arms---.
 
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Branding scissors is enough to get shot at. Been done many times when suspects try to stab at police. Even in China they get shot when carrying machetes.
Errrr...no.

Even Chinese policewoman are properly trained.
 
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if you deal with some of the 12-13 year olds you will be begging for the cops to protect your ***. If you do not believe me you can ask Pakistani Americans

back to the topic: In USA there are laws for all of us to be followed. A 12 year old (or anyone for that matter) who disobeys a directive from a cop is likely to be in trouble. Cops who violate the law get in trouble sometimes. there is racism in police ranks. Cops are part and parcel of American society.

at the end of the day it boils down to this: Are you willing to trust your family with cops ? Most of us are willing to (that includes a majority of African Americans). I left my four year old with a police officer for 15 minutes as I went to get gasoline for a car out of gas. My four year old was cool with the police officer

Is police in the US so distrustful to ask the question in the first place?

A woman in Vietnam (I guess in China too, their police is better) will never hesitate to give her child daughter to a police to be taken care for a while.
 
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