Poland to provide Mig-29 to Ukraine - what should they get as replacement?

[Foinikas]

Poles should get some advanced AA systems apart from a squadron of new aircraft. Patriot PAC-3 or NASAMS or something else.

 

[Oldman1]

Poles should get some advanced AA systems apart from a squadron of new aircraft. Patriot PAC-3 or NASAMS or something else.

Hmm, add more incentives. Perhaps if they are worried about giving up their entire air force to Ukraine, perhaps the U.S. can based some fighter jets as temporary replacement for Poland's air force until they get new fighter jets.

 

[Ali_Baba]

From what I'm reading in another article posted recently, Poland still doesn't want to give them up. Even with the Biden Administration and the lawmakers pressuring them.

There is a problem of trust I guess. Better to have a weapon in your hand than a promise of one.

 

[bobo6661]

Poles should get some advanced AA systems apart from a squadron of new aircraft. Patriot PAC-3 or NASAMS or something else.

we already got Patriots deliverd more to come

First elements of Patriot system in Poland this year

M903 launchers will be the first elements to be delivered by the Polish-based Huta Stalowa Wola steelmill.

www.thefirstnews.com

And for now there is no offical info about migs from Poland that would go to Ukraine for now everyone denying it... but who know what they are talking behind close doors.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1500345167211114497

 

[jhungary]

Hmm, add more incentives. Perhaps if they are worried about giving up their entire air force to Ukraine, perhaps the U.S. can based some fighter jets as temporary replacement for Poland's air force until they get new fighter jets.

Maybe this is the answer

Stryker Anti-Air System, short range anti-aircraft/anti-drone system that was specifically designed to counter Russian Air Asset. US Army is just fielding this and people who had used it said they are easy as hell to use...

 

[Oldman1]

Maybe this is the answer

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Stryker Anti-Air System, short range anti-aircraft/anti-drone system that was specifically designed to counter Russian Air Asset. US Army is just fielding this and people who had used it said they are easy as hell to use...

This for Poland or for Ukraine? Not sure the U.S. is willing to send these in when the U.S. Army just barely got it. Unless you referring to a Stryker unit equipped with these and head to Poland.

Maybe this is the answer

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Stryker Anti-Air System, short range anti-aircraft/anti-drone system that was specifically designed to counter Russian Air Asset. US Army is just fielding this and people who had used it said they are easy as hell to use...

Hopefully the U.S. Army also address the issue on Air defense like having a Buk type with medium range missiles and capable of having its own radar and very mobile. At least 50 km or more range.

 

[jhungary]

This for Poland or for Ukraine? Not sure the U.S. is willing to send these in when the U.S. Army just barely got it. Unless you referring to a Stryker unit equipped with these and head to Poland.


Hopefully the U.S. Army also address the issue on Air defense like having a Buk type with medium range missiles and capable of having its own radar and very mobile. At least 50 km or more range.

Either way will work IMO. But yes, chances of US giving Ukraine the Stryker AA is next to slim.

 

[Oldman1]

Either way will work IMO. But yes, chances of US giving Ukraine the Stryker AA is next to slim.

Feel like the Ukrainians will just use whatever systems they have on hand as well as those the Russians provided. Course maybe the Eastern countries change their mind and supply more advance SAMs that they can use. Feel like they should develop a Super Stinger missile. Something that has more reach,..kind of like with anti tank missile on a tripod because it be really big and heavy. Obviously less portable, but it be still easily concealable.

 

[nahtanbob]

Feel like the Ukrainians will just use whatever systems they have on hand as well as those the Russians provided. Course maybe the Eastern countries change their mind and supply more advance SAMs that they can use. Feel like they should develop a Super Stinger missile. Something that has more reach,..kind of like with anti tank missile on a tripod because it be really big and heavy. Obviously less portable, but it be still easily concealable.

US does not have good air defense systems because US military assumes they have air superiority

how hard is it to provide Poland with 2-3 squadrons of F-16 fighters ?

 

[bobo6661]

S does not have good air defense systems because US military assumes they have air superiority

how hard is it to provide Poland with 2-3 squadrons of F-16 fighters ?

And who will fly them ?

 

[LeGenD]

As we say in Punjabi "saadi Billi San hii meow"
Namak Haram Ukrainian trying to fight Russia with Russian tech . The foundation of their military is infact still very Russian with all the similar culture and equipment . Putin is right when he said Russia and Ukraine is just one nation. Ukraine is nothing without Russia. It's just the west sponsored Nazi ideology in Ukraine caused this war.

Ukraine is a UN-recognized sovereign country. Ukranians are confronting and fighting Russian forces throughout the country - this is indicative of the fact that Ukranians have build their own national identity since independence and these two are not one nation. Russia found it difficult to sweep even Donbas which had been under Russian influence for so long; while much of Donbas has fallen to Russians by now, Maripol continues to offer resistance in this sector. Russians will have to do a lot more to take Kyiv in fact.

Maybe check other sources besides RT for broader understanding of this region?

 

[nahtanbob]

And who will fly them ?

polish air force pilots - of course they will be trained

Poles should get some advanced AA systems apart from a squadron of new aircraft. Patriot PAC-3 or NASAMS or something else.

NATO has division of labor. I do not know which country operates Patriot PAC-3

 

[SecularNationalist]

Ukraine is a UN-recognized sovereign country. Ukranians are confronting and fighting Russian forces throughout the country - this is indicative of the fact that Ukranians have build their own national identity since independence and these two are not one nation. Russia found it difficult to sweep even Donbas which had been under Russian influence for so long; while much of Donbas has fallen to Russians by now, Maripol continues to offer resistance in this sector. Russians will have to do a lot more to take Kyiv in fact.

Maybe check other sources besides RT for broader understanding of this region?

I don't need to watch RT,CNN etc to get a understanding of this region. There is a real recent history of this region which is screaming at us loud and clear.
UN is a joke organization,a hypocritical pawn of the west. The same UN which guaranteed Kashmir a right of self determination and now silent on India because of her own interests. The only thing we can learn from this ,be powerful like Russia and just take it what's yours. Do not depend on begging the UN and the west.
The whole Ukraine is almost what indian population is after RSS and Modi came to power. They are fighting and they will be fighting for some time after Russia will take back the whole Ukraine. But soon their software will be updated for good by Russians. A software which will be compatible with their true Slavic Russian history.
Putin and Russia is actually doing us a favor by cleaning off this filth from the planet. Islamophobia in Ukraine is very real and widespread and that's definitely affects us as well considering much medical students from Pakistan study there and our defence deals with Ukraine.

 

[nahtanbob]

I don't need to watch RT,CNN etc to get a understanding of this region. There is a real recent history of this region which is screaming at us loud and clear.

You couldn't understand your own country if your life depended on. Let alone some far away region of the world

 

[jhungary]

Feel like the Ukrainians will just use whatever systems they have on hand as well as those the Russians provided. Course maybe the Eastern countries change their mind and supply more advance SAMs that they can use. Feel like they should develop a Super Stinger missile. Something that has more reach,..kind of like with anti tank missile on a tripod because it be really big and heavy. Obviously less portable, but it be still easily concealable.

TOW is too cumbersome. May as well keep using Javelin

US does not have good air defense systems because US military assumes they have air superiority

how hard is it to provide Poland with 2-3 squadrons of F-16 fighters ?

Poland already had 2 to 3 squadron of F-16

IIRC, they want fast track delivery of the 48 F-35 they ordered for them to send Ukraine the Mig-29