Joe Shearer
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The same can be said for the liberals as well.
Please.
Include me out.
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The same can be said for the liberals as well.
My main argument is that the ppl(bhakts) trying to correct the supposed "injustice" done in a "might is right" kind of way...don't see that they are doing the same thing...
Loved it...if all muslims of sub continent are like him, there wouldnt be any hindu muslim fights
If current generation muslims don't approve of their historical actions, then why are they muslims at all? No, it is not just forefathers as people can convert into or out of it. Also, in 600AD, there was no Islam. So, it is not simply that one becomes muslim because he is born to muslim family. If one disapproves of the historical aspects of Islam, then he must disown that history and get out of Islam. Not getting out of Islam shows support for these actionsNot perceived but factual atrocities committed by erst while Muslim rulers on Hindus.
Having said that I am staunchly opposed to the idea of holding the current generation Muslims responsible for the atrocities committed by their fore fathers.
The idea that the demolition was illegal does not make sense as this is war. Wars are never legal as laws are just means of cheap ways to avoid war. Since demolition of temple by Mughals was also not legal, there simply is no logic in talking of legal or illegal thingsNot judiciary you dimwit. When someone is still investigating (even by a kangaroo court) whether a structure was illegally demolished will anyone go ahead and construct another structure over the demolished one ? Temple Construction is being done by indian state cooperation not judiciary. It should (I hate to be sucked in to indian state logic though) atleast wait until both judgements are passed - something anyone with a common heart will do.
Really stopped watching when he mentioned that faith of Hindus/Muslims/Christians shouldn't be questioned.
That's fine if there are two groups...usually it is that way...few are on the extremes...and a large number ends up being a silent majority. If the majority just stands and watches those fringe elements get away with their ideology...then they are also part of the problem.There are two sections, and this needs understanding, comprehension; one section is cynical and manipulative. Their programme is founded on the destruction of the system as it is, and its conversion to a system that will perpetuate their hold on power for ever. These are the leaders, the RSS, primarily, and its affiliates, of lesser consequence. The BJP is merely the implementation agency and has nothing much to contribute, as we have already seen in the past years whenever they have been in power (counting Vajpayee's five years, it is now eleven or twelve years).
The other section are the gullible, who have been carefully instructed that all that is happening is merely a realignment of institutional practice with the reality on the ground. They have been informed that there is no truth to the squeals of the Muslims, the Dalit, the liberals or the defeated candidates of the Congress (all four equated with each other in the so informing) and other opposition parties about the subversion of national institutions.
When you look at the current situation in India, you have to understand that these are two different groups, and that they cannot be pushed together into an impermeable mass. Your comments seem to assume that these people are all one and the same in outlook. That is far from the truth.
If the majority just stands and watches those fringe elements get away with their ideology...then they are also part of the problem.
I'm not here to score points...In this case, both facile and untrue. If you want me to explain, it will be a long post, and I will have to interrupt it a dozen times to complete it.
So, if you are serious about wanting to know another point of view, I will try to present it, but only if you are seriously interested in listening, not if you want to score points.
Does not matter if a 'Muslim' has this opinion.
Wrong move.There is no solid proof that there was a mandir at this place. The RSS goons usually burry idols and then take a mob and dig it out and claimed it as mandir. What the hindus failed to understand is that muslims will never make a mosque on top of mandir, an idol worshipping place, considered unclean by muslims.
The court could have turned it into museum or kept status quo but it chose the hindu way. I as a Pakistani am happy, it might knock some sense into indian muslims.
Yeah so what?You've no idea what you are talking about.
Kashi- Vishwanath mandir converted into Gyanvapi mosque
Mathura- Mosque built on top of Krishna Janmbhoomi
If they are converting for a bag of rice it should the value of their parent Hinduism, does it not?If they convert for a rice which is life sustaining commodity then all power to them - also shows they are smart. What does brahmanism give them - untouchability and humiliation.
Like I said, before. The Hindus will kill.I don't know what is funnier. The Sanghis seeking the legitimacy from the Muslims, or the Muslims willingly (and unwittingly) providing it. The same can be said for the liberals as well.
Wait.If current generation muslims don't approve of their historical actions, then why are they muslims at all? No, it is not just forefathers as people can convert into or out of it. Also, in 600AD, there was no Islam. So, it is not simply that one becomes muslim because he is born to muslim family. If one disapproves of the historical aspects of Islam, then he must disown that history and get out of Islam. Not getting out of Islam shows support for these actions