PMLN want PTI to form South Punjab Province

[Canuck786]

Division on the basis of ethnicity is not a good idea.. It will open a Pandora box and later MQM and Hazara will demand their own province. What needs to be broken are the provinces so as to break the feudal system of governance / voting system and uplift the vast under privileged areas. This should be done to improve the socioeconomic conditions, help the development of institutions and the infrastructure in the area. Ideally speaking punjab should be divided into three or at least two provinces.

I think the South punjab province should comprise of the areas that come under following provincial assemblies seats

PUNJAB AREA
District Muzaffargarh... PP 272 to 275
District Rajanpur... whole district; PP293 to PP297
District Rahim yar khan...whole district; PP 255 to PP 267
District Bahawalpur.... half of PP248 (below hasilpur), PP249 and PP250
District Bahawalnagar.... PP240 to PP244
District Dera Ghazi Khan... Whole district; PP285 to PP292

SINDH AREA
District Ghotki....PS18 and PS19
District Kashmore... PS4

I believe the above arrangement would be technically feasible as there would be sizable industry (fertilizer, power plants and beverage etc) and agricultural land, 1 barrage (guddu) and 1 head work (head islam), canals from guddu barrage, head punjnad and head islam mainly irrigate the area, 2 airports (Rahim yar khan and bahawalpur) and lots of underprivileged areas in almost the districts.

Sindh area would be a tough sell but a southern Punjab province if carved out from Punjab only can later include ubaro, reti, Kobar, Daharki and Mir pur Mathelo areas of Sindh in the future.

If southern punjab flourishes then in about 10 years we should consider carving out another province from areas of punjab and kpk (parts of attock, mianwali, chakwal, bhakar and Layyah along with some ucs of Haripur, DI khan of kpk) or in sindh by combining Tharparkar with some areas of umerkot, Mir pur khan and Sanghar)

How I wish I could give you a positive rating!

Very good proposed solution that would benefit the federation.

 

[dawn_news]

That is excuse..Its like handing over "Senate to Punjab" along with NA too...More power sectors..In essence more of them in senate...Every thing will change..they will say after few years we are shown underpopulated and accounts to 3 or 5 crore more as we hear from people of Karachi quite often as an excuse

Senate isn't divided on ethnic basis. Pakhtuns are majority in senate because of them being divided between Balochistan, FATA and KP. Pakhtuns in Balochistan don't say to Baloch go take our share of senate seats. Now if senate is that important then others too can divide provinces.

 

[dawn_news]

Division on the basis of ethnicity is not a good idea.. It will open a Pandora box and later MQM and Hazara will demand their own province.

Its not as bad as you think. Why do you think KP pakhtuns tend to be more mainstream while Balochistani pakhtuns wannabe afghanis.

As long as muhajirs vs sindhi and pakhtun vs baloch is a thing in Pakistan, these people will never become part of mainstream. This is why PTI couldn't penetrate both these provinces as politics revolve around ethnics.

Yes PTI won in Karachi but it just replaced MQM. PTI politics in Sindh target MQM crowd and not interior sindh. This divide still exist.

 

[darksider]

everybody talking about punjab why not sindh kpk and blochistan also?

 

[Sugarcane]

Divide Punjab as wish 3 , 4 or 5 whatever but don't increase share in state resources by naming same with difference names ...No additional resources , no additional senators same others...Divide whatever Punjab has "Now" into its own "Partioned" provinces

Why descrimination ? being equal to all other ethnic federating units is discrimination ?You want to divide its your wish not otherwise ..Do it to better control cities and areas but not to extend it to over shadow the senate and other state resources on plea of that

Saying that a Seraiki should have half of weightage than a Sindhi is simply discrimination, from your posts it's clear that people like you talk/support division of Punjab out of veiled hatred against People of Punjab. Otherwise couple of senate seats here or there doesn't make much difference if someone is looking at national interests.

 

[undercover JIX]

dont do anything what noora party wants, they had more then enough time and power.

ronay do in ko

 

[RIP Pak LAW]

If Punjab is divided into two provinces than who will be the CM of upper Punjab ? Certainly PMLN has the most seats there so automatically they will be having their own CM while lower Punjab will be govern by than PTI's CM. No wonder PMLN is looking forward to such scenario. This possibility has put PTI in a fix and this is precisely why, they have not announced Punjab CM name as of now since after the creation of 2 provinces, if actually happens, than 1 CM will not make sense.

 

[Musafir117]

PMln and ppp will support PTI to making another province in Punjab and after that new elections in Punjab or settle with who have majority in which to govern.
Got it or need more explanations?

 

[H!TchHiker]

Saying that a Seraiki should have half of weightage than a Sindhi is simply discrimination, from your posts it's clear that people like you talk/support division of Punjab out of veiled hatred against People of Punjab. Otherwise couple of senate seats here or there doesn't make much difference if someone is looking at national interests.

No it only means people of punjab wants to extend there power with different name either of Siraikis or Potharis...You wish to have divided punjab out of politics or better control i.e good do it but within existing resources...Otherwise just have a simple share out of existing punjab..Every federating units should be equally representing in state structure.

Senate isn't divided on ethnic basis. Pakhtuns are majority in senate because of them being divided between Balochistan, FATA and KP. Pakhtuns in Balochistan don't say to Baloch go take our share of senate seats. Now if senate is that important then others too can divide provinces.

Senate demands "equal no of senators" from each province"Majority each province has its own dominated ethnicity...Other provinces do not need a feel to divide there province..They have history and attachment to there land..Its provinces that made up of Pakistan not otherwise...Its not only senate the new Punjab province will after some time demands more and more out of there population..Change the formula of resource sharing only based on population to avoid this, if somebody is really serious

 

[Sugarcane]

PMln and ppp will support PTI to making another province in Punjab and after that new elections in Punjab or settle with who have majority in which to govern.
Got it or need more explanations?

Even if the division is successful, it will come to effect in or after next GE. Logistically it will not be possible to do it right after passing the bill.

 

[H!TchHiker]

The binding force is the army which of course has history of recruiting Pakhtuns/Punjabis from the north west. This process was began by the British and over a century it has matured into a highly cohesive army that acts like a anchor in Pakistan. That is why the army is important and will remain important. Without it Pakistan would be another Afghanistan. Differant ethnic groups led by warlords. We had a taste of that with MQM and Altaf. Notice who came along and erased his hold. Pakistan sans army would have regional Altafs with their own gangsters.

Those who think Islam is the binding agent that keeps Pakistan together are badly mistaken. Pakistan is 70 years old. British Raj kept us tied to India for 98 years and held together large part of sub-continent for more then 150 years. That is twice the lifespan of Pakistan. Now think about what kept present day Pakistan, Indian Republic, Banglash tied under the British flag for over a century. And these rulers were white, Christian, from other side of the globe. It was kept together by a efficient adminisrative machine backed up by a large military force. We merely inheritated that structure or should I say we inheritated part of it.

So if British could keep the entire sub-continent tied together for more then a century it is no big deal that we are kept toether for 70 years. Islam card notwithstanding. What we must focus on is making sure the adminisrative machine is efficient, fair and is backed up by power as in a strong military.

Agreed even now the majority of composition is same or along the same lines...For all the differences Army is only capable functional federation institution who for nation reason can use any thing as a tool to achieve there objective

 

[Sugarcane]

No it only means people of punjab wants to extend there power with different name either of Siraikis or Potharis...You wish to have divided punjab out of politics or better control i.e good do it but within existing resources...Otherwise just have a simple share out of existing punjab..Every federating units should be equally representing in state structure.

1. With current resource sharing formula, Punjab united/divided will have same resource
2. It's only senate where representation is on principle of equality among "every federating unit" and as per your own last line, you can't discriminate between federating unit.

 

[Maarkhoor]

Even if the division is successful, it will come to effect in or after next GE. Logistically it will not be possible to do it right after passing the bill.

It is possible but PTI / Govt has to announce election and I don't think so PTI can afford this risk....another U turn expected as usual.

 

[H!TchHiker]

1. With current resource sharing formula, Punjab united/divided will have same resource
2. It's only senate where representation is on principle of equality among "every federating unit" and as per your own last line, you can't discriminate between federating unit.

Agree with first point..My essence is you can't discriminate with any federating unit that represent ethnicity..You can't have 30 Punjabi or Sariaki senators along with 15 from other for e.g..These things needs to be sorted out before execution stage ..Other provinces will surely raise this

 

[Sugarcane]

Agree with first point..My essence is you can't discriminate with any federating unit that represent ethnicity..You can't have 30 Punjabi or Sariaki senators along with 15 from other for e.g..These things needs to be sorted out before execution stage ..Other provinces will surely raise this

Then adopt same resource distribution formula for senate seats. Why you want stick to equality base formula for others except people of Punjab? BTW, Bahwalpur was not part of Punjab but separate state.

It is possible but PTI / Govt has to announce election and I don't think so PTI can afford this risk....another U turn expected as usual.

Did election happened in FATA region for KP assembly?