PM Modi’s silence on LAC stand-off is benefiting China. India must change its script

[Zarvan]

In the current crisis, the Modi government and the military have lost credibility and the battle of perception, and have literally endorsed China’s stand.

LT GEN H S PANAG (RETD)11 June, 2020

A file photo of Prime Minister Narendra Modi addressing the nation on the issue of coronavirus | Screengrab

The situation along the Line of Actual Control took a dramatic turn after the rather disappointing and inconclusive Lieutenant General-level talks as indicated by the Ministry of External Affairs, held at Chushul on 6 June. At 4:52pm on 9 June, news wire ANI, which is almost always the first one to put out news citing government sources, tweeted: “India and China disengage at multiple points in Eastern Ladakh. Troops and infantry combat vehicles moved back by 2.5 km by People’s Liberation Army in Galwan area, Patrolling Point 15 and Hot Springs area. India has also moved some of its troops back: Top Govt sources to ANI.”

In sharp contrast to the press release put out by the MEA Monday, ANI attributes the disengagement to the Lieutenant General-level talks. On 7 June, the MEA sources had said, “This will be a long haul and small steps need to be taken to resolve the situation.”

Also read: India’s Fingers have come under Chinese boots. Denial won’t help us

Briefing by “top Indian Army sources”
Apparently, “top Army sources” briefed journalists or gave a handout Tuesday based on the outcomes of the Corps Commander’s level meeting. Grapevine says that the “top source” is one of the military commanders at the very top in Delhi. Since, it appears to be the first government/military brief, albeit unofficial and deniable, on the situation, it is pertinent to highlight the details:

• After the Corps Commanders’-level meeting on Saturday, both sides have “retreated a bit” – a rather unusual way of describing a military disengagement.
• Five areas of conflict have been identified – Patrolling Points 14,15 (Galwan River) and 17 (Hot Springs), north bank of Pangong Tso and Chushul. Chushul had so far not been mentioned in public domain.
• Within the next 10 days, a number of meetings of lower commanders are planned at four points. All hot lines are active.
• Corps Commander-level meetings might become an annual/ biannual feature.
• There has been no intelligence failure as demonstrated by the quick and strong response of the Army.
• Army Headquarters is fully satisfied with the performance of the Army and Corps Commander.
• PLA was matched in terms of men and machines and Indian Army is prepared for “long and permanent deployment”, if China does not retreat.
• The core issue is the undecided LAC. Until that is resolved these episodic issues will continue.
• The sources emphasised that the major issue currently is not just the frontline retreating but the build up that has taken place in the rear. China has deployed fighter bombers, rocket forces, air defence radars, jammers etc. at the LAC and a few km from the LAC. India will continue to carry out major build-up until China withdraws its own.

On Wednesday, the Chinese foreign minister spokesperson Hu Chunying said, “Recently, the diplomatic and military channels of China and India held effective communication on the situation along the border and reached positive consensus.”

In a sharp contrast, other reports give an exactly opposite view and indicate that the Chinese approach was belligerent and uncompromising.

The initial disengagement is certainly a success for the Narendra Modi government’s military and diplomatic approach and may pave the way to restoration of status quo ante April 2020. However, it also raises disturbing questions about the handling of the national security crisis by the government and the military. Has India been reduced to handling its national security and border incidents through stories peddled by “unknown official sources” leading to unnecessary speculation? Given the Modi government’s deafening silence of the past 6-8 weeks, has this disengagement come at a price? Given that China had seized the initiative, and had the upper-hand, what concessions have been given in terms of territory, deployment of troops and development of border infrastructure?

In my view, the confrontation on the LAC is far from resolved.

Also read: China believes India wants Aksai Chin back. PLA has likely secured 40-60 sq km in Ladakh

Govt’s handling of national security crisis
Despite the initial ‘denial’ and attempts at political obfuscation, the issue of China’s intrusions and related military actions along the LAC is now in public domain. The government always seems to get carried away by the fear of domestic political fallout, not realising the pitfalls of such an approach. Since despite a host of border management agreements and continuous diplomatic engagement, China has refused to demarcate the LAC, the lame excuse of “differing perceptions” failed to withstand scrutiny. In three areas–Galwan River, Hot Springs and Pangong Tso–China has deployed regular troops across the LAC and physically prevented us from patrolling up to the LAC.

No formal statement has been made on the military situation on the LAC. We seem to have fallen into a familiar pattern: the Chinese actions catch us by surprise, both at the strategic and the tactical level; we react with a much higher force level; the exact place and the extent of the intrusion is never formally acknowledged; the outcomes of the military and diplomatic engagements and concessions meted out are not put out in public domain; and without learning any lesson, we repeat the entire process when the next crisis occurs. In the last seven years the same pattern was repeated at Depsang 2013, Chumar 2014, Doklam 2017 and also now in eastern Ladakh.

Doklam is a classic case. We proclaimed it as a victory. But, today the PLA is all over the Doklam Plateau with the exception of the Jampheri Ridge. So much for the Wuhan spirt.

There is a need to delink national security from domestic politics.

Also read: India, China implementing positive consensus aimed at easing tensions, says Beijing

China’s political and military aims
In the recurring crisis on the LAC in Ladakh, it is pertinent to analyse China’s political and military aims.

China’s political aim is to exploit the unsettled border–undemarcated LAC–by triggering border incidents to exert its hegemony over India and prevent it from becoming a political, military and economic competitor in the international arena, particularly with respect to the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC), South China Sea and Indo Pacific. And in doing so, prevent India from developing its border infrastructure that threatens Aksai Chin and other vulnerable areas.

China’s military aim is to trigger border incidents and preemptively seize tactically important areas to cut off India’s strategic communications which threaten Aksai Chin and its other vulnerable areas. Depending on India’s reaction, China is likely to undertake short-duration limited operations to capture Sub Sector North, area upto north bank of Pangong Tso, Demochok and Chumar. These areas extend the LAC from Karakoram, along Shyok River, north bank of Pangong Tso, along Kailash Range to Demchok and Chumar. These gains would also threaten the Nubra Valley and Siachen glacier and ensure China’s collusion with Pakistan to prevent any threat to the CPEC at Gilgit.

Also read: The new reality of China-centric bipolar world order, and reasons behind Ladakh standoff

Take the nation into confidence
In my view, the crisis in Eastern Ladakh is far from over. The campaigning season in Ladakh lasts until end November and the stand-off is likely to continue. Indeed, initial steps seem to have been taken by “both sides retreating a bit”, which, at best will prevent “fist and club fights”. I would advise the government to be prepared for a “long haul” and be clear about its political and military aims–sanctification of the LAC and restoration of status quo ante April 2020. The last two bullets of the “top Indian Army sources” briefing only endorse this view.

In the current crisis, the Modi government and the military have lost credibility and the battle of perception, and have literally endorsed China’s stand. It has also sent wrong signals to the international community. In the era of open-source intelligence and “soldier journalists” armed with mobile phones, denial and obfuscation do not help.

Modi government should take Parliament and the nation into confidence within the limits of security. It may be prudent for the Prime Minister to address the nation and military spokespersons to give formal briefings, at least once or twice a week.

Lt Gen H S Panag PVSM, AVSM (R) served in the Indian Army for 40 years. He was GOC in C Northern Command and Central Command. Post-retirement, he was Member of Armed Forces Tribunal. Views are personal.



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[Imran Khan]

the marbles are missing here only

 

[Chakar The Great]

I think Indians are too humiliated to accept it. They are just ignoring it.

 

[Han Patriot]

In the current crisis, the Modi government and the military have lost credibility and the battle of perception, and have literally endorsed China’s stand.

LT GEN H S PANAG (RETD)11 June, 2020

A file photo of Prime Minister Narendra Modi addressing the nation on the issue of coronavirus | Screengrab

The situation along the Line of Actual Control took a dramatic turn after the rather disappointing and inconclusive Lieutenant General-level talks as indicated by the Ministry of External Affairs, held at Chushul on 6 June. At 4:52pm on 9 June, news wire ANI, which is almost always the first one to put out news citing government sources, tweeted: “India and China disengage at multiple points in Eastern Ladakh. Troops and infantry combat vehicles moved back by 2.5 km by People’s Liberation Army in Galwan area, Patrolling Point 15 and Hot Springs area. India has also moved some of its troops back: Top Govt sources to ANI.”

In sharp contrast to the press release put out by the MEA Monday, ANI attributes the disengagement to the Lieutenant General-level talks. On 7 June, the MEA sources had said, “This will be a long haul and small steps need to be taken to resolve the situation.”

Also read: India’s Fingers have come under Chinese boots. Denial won’t help us

Briefing by “top Indian Army sources”
Apparently, “top Army sources” briefed journalists or gave a handout Tuesday based on the outcomes of the Corps Commander’s level meeting. Grapevine says that the “top source” is one of the military commanders at the very top in Delhi. Since, it appears to be the first government/military brief, albeit unofficial and deniable, on the situation, it is pertinent to highlight the details:

• After the Corps Commanders’-level meeting on Saturday, both sides have “retreated a bit” – a rather unusual way of describing a military disengagement.
• Five areas of conflict have been identified – Patrolling Points 14,15 (Galwan River) and 17 (Hot Springs), north bank of Pangong Tso and Chushul. Chushul had so far not been mentioned in public domain.
• Within the next 10 days, a number of meetings of lower commanders are planned at four points. All hot lines are active.
• Corps Commander-level meetings might become an annual/ biannual feature.
• There has been no intelligence failure as demonstrated by the quick and strong response of the Army.
• Army Headquarters is fully satisfied with the performance of the Army and Corps Commander.
• PLA was matched in terms of men and machines and Indian Army is prepared for “long and permanent deployment”, if China does not retreat.
• The core issue is the undecided LAC. Until that is resolved these episodic issues will continue.
• The sources emphasised that the major issue currently is not just the frontline retreating but the build up that has taken place in the rear. China has deployed fighter bombers, rocket forces, air defence radars, jammers etc. at the LAC and a few km from the LAC. India will continue to carry out major build-up until China withdraws its own.

On Wednesday, the Chinese foreign minister spokesperson Hu Chunying said, “Recently, the diplomatic and military channels of China and India held effective communication on the situation along the border and reached positive consensus.”

In a sharp contrast, other reports give an exactly opposite view and indicate that the Chinese approach was belligerent and uncompromising.

The initial disengagement is certainly a success for the Narendra Modi government’s military and diplomatic approach and may pave the way to restoration of status quo ante April 2020. However, it also raises disturbing questions about the handling of the national security crisis by the government and the military. Has India been reduced to handling its national security and border incidents through stories peddled by “unknown official sources” leading to unnecessary speculation? Given the Modi government’s deafening silence of the past 6-8 weeks, has this disengagement come at a price? Given that China had seized the initiative, and had the upper-hand, what concessions have been given in terms of territory, deployment of troops and development of border infrastructure?

In my view, the confrontation on the LAC is far from resolved.

Also read: China believes India wants Aksai Chin back. PLA has likely secured 40-60 sq km in Ladakh

Govt’s handling of national security crisis
Despite the initial ‘denial’ and attempts at political obfuscation, the issue of China’s intrusions and related military actions along the LAC is now in public domain. The government always seems to get carried away by the fear of domestic political fallout, not realising the pitfalls of such an approach. Since despite a host of border management agreements and continuous diplomatic engagement, China has refused to demarcate the LAC, the lame excuse of “differing perceptions” failed to withstand scrutiny. In three areas–Galwan River, Hot Springs and Pangong Tso–China has deployed regular troops across the LAC and physically prevented us from patrolling up to the LAC.

No formal statement has been made on the military situation on the LAC. We seem to have fallen into a familiar pattern: the Chinese actions catch us by surprise, both at the strategic and the tactical level; we react with a much higher force level; the exact place and the extent of the intrusion is never formally acknowledged; the outcomes of the military and diplomatic engagements and concessions meted out are not put out in public domain; and without learning any lesson, we repeat the entire process when the next crisis occurs. In the last seven years the same pattern was repeated at Depsang 2013, Chumar 2014, Doklam 2017 and also now in eastern Ladakh.

Doklam is a classic case. We proclaimed it as a victory. But, today the PLA is all over the Doklam Plateau with the exception of the Jampheri Ridge. So much for the Wuhan spirt.

There is a need to delink national security from domestic politics.

Also read: India, China implementing positive consensus aimed at easing tensions, says Beijing

China’s political and military aims
In the recurring crisis on the LAC in Ladakh, it is pertinent to analyse China’s political and military aims.

China’s political aim is to exploit the unsettled border–undemarcated LAC–by triggering border incidents to exert its hegemony over India and prevent it from becoming a political, military and economic competitor in the international arena, particularly with respect to the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC), South China Sea and Indo Pacific. And in doing so, prevent India from developing its border infrastructure that threatens Aksai Chin and other vulnerable areas.

China’s military aim is to trigger border incidents and preemptively seize tactically important areas to cut off India’s strategic communications which threaten Aksai Chin and its other vulnerable areas. Depending on India’s reaction, China is likely to undertake short-duration limited operations to capture Sub Sector North, area upto north bank of Pangong Tso, Demochok and Chumar. These areas extend the LAC from Karakoram, along Shyok River, north bank of Pangong Tso, along Kailash Range to Demchok and Chumar. These gains would also threaten the Nubra Valley and Siachen glacier and ensure China’s collusion with Pakistan to prevent any threat to the CPEC at Gilgit.

Also read: The new reality of China-centric bipolar world order, and reasons behind Ladakh standoff

Take the nation into confidence
In my view, the crisis in Eastern Ladakh is far from over. The campaigning season in Ladakh lasts until end November and the stand-off is likely to continue. Indeed, initial steps seem to have been taken by “both sides retreating a bit”, which, at best will prevent “fist and club fights”. I would advise the government to be prepared for a “long haul” and be clear about its political and military aims–sanctification of the LAC and restoration of status quo ante April 2020. The last two bullets of the “top Indian Army sources” briefing only endorse this view.

In the current crisis, the Modi government and the military have lost credibility and the battle of perception, and have literally endorsed China’s stand. It has also sent wrong signals to the international community. In the era of open-source intelligence and “soldier journalists” armed with mobile phones, denial and obfuscation do not help.

Modi government should take Parliament and the nation into confidence within the limits of security. It may be prudent for the Prime Minister to address the nation and military spokespersons to give formal briefings, at least once or twice a week.

Lt Gen H S Panag PVSM, AVSM (R) served in the Indian Army for 40 years. He was GOC in C Northern Command and Central Command. Post-retirement, he was Member of Armed Forces Tribunal. Views are personal.



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The question is what can be exchanged? This is a premeditated move. Nobody knows the motive and nobody knows tye results. GOI is exceptionally quiet..... If its positive, there would be Hollywood dances by now.

 

[KeyBORED Warrior]

The question is what can be exchanged? This is a premeditated move. Nobody knows the motive and nobody knows tye results. GOI is exceptionally quiet..... If its positive, there would be Hollywood dances by now.

You mean Bollywood*

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

ModiRegime has introduced a new WarStartegy: Loosing Land without Doing a Battle!

This unique strategy will become new Paradigm in Golabal Geopolitics...to become famouse as ModiDoctorine!

And, losing not much of words either!!! They're all reserved for Pak, which wins elections big time...

Clever folk! An Indian folk feels an extreme pride in his being ever clever....

 

[Aaloo Tikki]

Modi is busy in fighting Chinese Corona, it's bigger threat than Chinese PLA.

And, losing not much of words either!!! They're all reserved for Pak, which wins elections big time...

Clever folk! An Indian folk feels an extreme pride in his being ever clever....

Ab bas, bahut huaa ye atyachar.
Thak gaye hain sunke Laddakh bar bar
Agali baar fir se Modi sarkar.

The question is what can be exchanged? This is a premeditated move. Nobody knows the motive and nobody knows tye results. GOI is exceptionally quiet..... If its positive, there would be Hollywood dances by now.

I love Shaolin Soccer more than Hollywood Dance.

the marbles are missing here only

Kyaa aapka matlab Gotiyon se hai?

 

[Taimoor Khan]

No formal statement has been made on the military situation on the LAC. We seem to have fallen into a familiar pattern: the Chinese actions catch us by surprise, both at the strategic and the tactical level; we react with a much higher force level; the exact place and the extent of the intrusion is never formally acknowledged; the outcomes of the military and diplomatic engagements and concessions meted out are not put out in public domain; and without learning any lesson, we repeat the entire process when the next crisis occurs. In the last seven years the same pattern was repeated at Depsang 2013, Chumar 2014, Doklam 2017 and also now in eastern Ladakh.

Doklam is a classic case. We proclaimed it as a victory. But, today the PLA is all over the Doklam Plateau with the exception of the Jampheri Ridge. So much for the Wuhan spirt.


@Joe Shearer Here you go, fire your "insider" with who is feeding you stories and fables about brave Indian army stand .



China’s political aim is to exploit the unsettled border–undemarcated LAC–by triggering border incidents to exert its hegemony over India and prevent it from becoming a political, military and economic competitor in the international arena, particularly with respect to the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC), South China Sea and Indo Pacific. And in doing so, prevent India from developing its border infrastructure that threatens Aksai Chin and other vulnerable areas.

China’s military aim is to trigger border incidents and preemptively seize tactically important areas to cut off India’s strategic communications which threaten Aksai Chin and its other vulnerable areas. Depending on India’s reaction, China is likely to undertake short-duration limited operations to capture Sub Sector North, area upto north bank of Pangong Tso, Demochok and Chumar. These areas extend the LAC from Karakoram, along Shyok River, north bank of Pangong Tso, along Kailash Range to Demchok and Chumar. These gains would also threaten the Nubra Valley and Siachen glacier and ensure China’s collusion with Pakistan to prevent any threat to the CPEC at Gilgit.

@Joe Shearer What say you?



In the era of open-source intelligence and “soldier journalists” armed with mobile phones, denial and obfuscation do not help

Wise counsel to the fanboys.

 

[Joe Shearer]

No formal statement has been made on the military situation on the LAC. We seem to have fallen into a familiar pattern: the Chinese actions catch us by surprise, both at the strategic and the tactical level; we react with a much higher force level; the exact place and the extent of the intrusion is never formally acknowledged; the outcomes of the military and diplomatic engagements and concessions meted out are not put out in public domain; and without learning any lesson, we repeat the entire process when the next crisis occurs. In the last seven years the same pattern was repeated at Depsang 2013, Chumar 2014, Doklam 2017 and also now in eastern Ladakh.

Doklam is a classic case. We proclaimed it as a victory. But, today the PLA is all over the Doklam Plateau with the exception of the Jampheri Ridge. So much for the Wuhan spirt.


@Joe Shearer Here you go, fire your "insider" with who is feeding you stories and fables about brave Indian army stand .

There is no 'brave Indian Army stand'; there was an agreement that construction activity would stop, and it stopped. As for the rest, where the PLA goes that is not within our area of interest doesn't matter at all.

China’s political aim is to exploit the unsettled border–undemarcated LAC–by triggering border incidents to exert its hegemony over India and prevent it from becoming a political, military and economic competitor in the international arena, particularly with respect to the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC), South China Sea and Indo Pacific. And in doing so, prevent India from developing its border infrastructure that threatens Aksai Chin and other vulnerable areas.

Think a little before you either quote or opine. Your statement of political aims itself gives the game away. If there was not a serious forward movement in developing border infrastructure, this would not be an aim.

China’s military aim is to trigger border incidents and preemptively seize tactically important areas to cut off India’s strategic communications which threaten Aksai Chin and its other vulnerable areas. Depending on India’s reaction, China is likely to undertake short-duration limited operations to capture Sub Sector North, area upto north bank of Pangong Tso, Demochok and Chumar. These areas extend the LAC from Karakoram, along Shyok River, north bank of Pangong Tso, along Kailash Range to Demchok and Chumar. These gains would also threaten the Nubra Valley and Siachen glacier and ensure China’s collusion with Pakistan to prevent any threat to the CPEC

at Gilgit.

@Joe Shearer What say you? Looking like a chimp now don't you, o wise yoda?

I understand that your frustration makes you revert to your natural self, and depend on personal abuse.

As far as the facts that you quoted, this is hypothetical. It may happen. Today, there is confrontation north of DBO, but no occupation, there is confrontation at the Galwan Valley, but no occupation, there is confrontation in the Fingers area, AND there has been occupation.

So that is the sum total.

Getting excited and exclaiming your joy and pleasure at the top of your voice hardly affects the facts.

In the era of open-source intelligence and “soldier journalists” armed with mobile phones, denial and obfuscation do not help

Wise counsel to the fanboys.

A fanboy with a camera is still a fanboy.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

There is no 'brave Indian Army stand'; there was an agreement that construction activity would stop, and it stopped. As for the rest, where the PLA goes that is not within our area of interest doesn't matter at all.

When your ex general says that PLA is now "all over doklam plateau" what in your limited understanding he is referring to?

Think a little before you either quote or opine. Your statement of political aims itself gives the game away. If there was not a serious forward movement in developing border infrastructure, this would not be an aim.

I understand that your frustration makes you revert to your natural self, and depend on personal abuse.

As far as the facts that you quoted, this is hypothetical. It may happen. Today, there is confrontation north of DBO, but no occupation, there is confrontation at the Galwan Valley, but no occupation, there is confrontation in the Fingers area, AND there has been occupation.

So that is the sum total.

Getting excited and exclaiming your joy and pleasure at the top of your voice hardly affects the facts.

Try to activate your lazy neurons and see if some information can be retrieved. Unless you have gone complete blank, allow me to remind you that from day one, on every thread I have been trying to knock sense in you that whatever is happening in Laddakh, got a Pakistani element in it as well. CPEC/OBOR , Siachin or some other aspect, pick whatever you want, just not try to make a complete arse out of yourself by insisting that Pakistan is nowhere in the picture. Typical Indian fanboy behaviour.

Occupation at Galwan is done deal. Unless India agree to fall in line on geopolitical issues, you aint seeing it back sunshine. It will be interesting to see how India behave from now on towards CPEC and if there would be more of hanky panky in Baluchistan.

I refreshing to see a ex professional retied from high position of authority agrees in his writing and assessment about the overall geopolitical scenario, confirming what I have been saying all along. Some low lives and fanboys hardy matter.

A fanboy with a camera is still a fanboy.

They are still trying to get to the bottom of it then some lazy fanboys

 

[Dalit]

India must do this and India must do that. I am sick and tired of Indian generals wanting things they can never have.

Modi lost. Period. There is no chance for face saving. China came. China went away with more land. No ifs and buts.

 

[Joe Shearer]

When your ex general says that PLA is now "all over doklam plateau" what in your limited understanding he is referring to?

To the complete lack of public attention that ex-generals suffer from.

Try to activate your lazy neurons and see if some information can be retrieved. Unless you have gone complete blank, allow me to remind you that from day one, on every thread I have been trying to knock sense in you that whatever is happening in Laddakh, got a Pakistani element in it as well. CPEC/OBOR , Siachin or some other aspect, pick whatever you want, just not try to make a complete arse out of yourself by insisting that Pakistan is nowhere in the picture. Typical Indian fanboy behaviour.

And here comes frustration at the total lack of public attention that fanboys suffer from.

Occupation at Galwan is done deal. Unless India agree to fall in line on geopolitical issues, you aint seeing it back sunshine. It will be interesting to see how India behave from now on towards CPEC and if there would be more of hanky panky in Baluchistan.

LOL. There is no occupation at Galwan; the Chinese have crowded close to the frontier, and that is all. Indian objections to the CPEC remain; since we have nothing to do with the goings on in Balochistan, whether there will be more hanky panky or not is entirely between the Baloch and the rest of Pakistan.

I refreshing to see a ex professional retied from high position of authority agrees in his writing and assessment about the overall geopolitical scenario, confirming what I have been saying all along. Some low lives and fanboys hardy matter.

You refreshing, they refreshing, everybody refreshing but fanboys not thinking. I do agree that it doesn't matter, whatever category of refreshing should be involved.

They are still trying to get to the bottom of it then some lazy fanboys

These are liberal times and orientations don't matter much any more. I am sure that everyone will turn a blind eye to your investigations as they may be of a private nature - a very private nature.

 

[Zapper]

 

[Taimoor Khan]

To the complete lack of public attention that ex-generals suffer from.

Wrong answer, go back to the question and answer accordingly.

And here comes frustration at the total lack of public attention that fanboys suffer from.

Those who have been on high positions have understood this, a "professional" janitor got very limited understanding.

LOL. There is no occupation at Galwan; the Chinese have crowded close to the frontier, and that is all. Indian objections to the CPEC remain; since we have nothing to do with the goings on in Balochistan, whether there will be more hanky panky or not is entirely between the Baloch and the rest of Pakistan.

No shite Baghdad bob. Kulbi boy agrees with you. lol

You refreshing, they refreshing, everybody refreshing but fanboys not thinking. I do agree that it doesn't matter, whatever category of refreshing should be involved.

O fanboys are thinking, on how to cover the humiliation. That's where I agree.

These are liberal times and orientations don't matter much any more. I am sure that everyone will turn a blind eye to your investigations as they may be of a private nature - a very private nature.

Too liberal, people try to get away with all sort of trash , live in parallel world , some might call it living Bollywood.

 

[SrNair]

The question is what can be exchanged? This is a premeditated move. Nobody knows the motive and nobody knows tye results. GOI is exceptionally quiet..... If its positive, there would be Hollywood dances by now.

That is how they works .
Their mission is to finish the construction in the border .
No talks only action.
They will take when everything back to normal

There is no 'brave Indian Army stand'; there was an agreement that construction activity would stop, and it stopped. As for the rest, where the PLA goes that is not within our area of interest doesn't matter at all.



Think a little before you either quote or opine. Your statement of political aims itself gives the game away. If there was not a serious forward movement in developing border infrastructure, this would not be an aim.



I understand that your frustration makes you revert to your natural self, and depend on personal abuse.

As far as the facts that you quoted, this is hypothetical. It may happen. Today, there is confrontation north of DBO, but no occupation, there is confrontation at the Galwan Valley, but no occupation, there is confrontation in the Fingers area, AND there has been occupation.

So that is the sum total.

Getting excited and exclaiming your joy and pleasure at the top of your voice hardly affects the facts.



A fanboy with a camera is still a fanboy.

I think the Galwan bridge construction is going on .