PM Kakar says Afghan Taliban "illegitimate," ; Pakistan may directly target TTP & its 'supporters' on Afghan soil - SAI

[CivilianSupremacy]

1) Yes, there were Attacks from Afghanistan at times of Taliban, before Taliban... Read the History between Afghanistan and Pakistan relationship.
2) No, It wasn't peaceful for Pakistan because the seeds of Extremism was already sowed in Pakistan's society.
3) Wrong, Pakistan didn't send Army to the western border because the Pashtoon's always resisted, they did not allowed Pakistan's own Army in the Tribal belt, it wasn't until after 9/11 Pakistan has to send in FC, and later when the whole area become the terrorist Infested garbage pile, and TTP started executing the tribal elders who were welcoming Taliban have to beg Army to come save them, before they were all acting macho with Hathyar humara zeewar BS, when TTP came in all become ladyboy's and hide and run away.

This isn't correct. Pakistan was never required to send its military to Af-Pak border during Taliban's first rule. Not because pashtuns resisted it because there was no need for it. There was no attacks on Pakistan from Afghan side at all. There was no terrorism. (Note: I am specifically talking about Taliban's first rule. I know there were anti-Pakistan govts in Afghanistan before Taliban ever came and that's why Taliban was a blessing for Pakistan as it was first purely pro-Pakistan govt)

What seeds of terrorism, you are talking about? The ones which General Zia sowed ? Or the ones which General Musharraf sowed by allowing US drones to operate over Pakistan's territory and bomb funeral processions and gatherings of tribemen ?

Don't talk in thin air, give me an evidence of a single terrorist attack on Pakistan from Afghanistan during Taliban's first rule. We showed you with evidence, the saying of Taliban's founder (Mullah Omar) saying attack on Pakistan is an attack on Afghanistan.

Afghanistan is not an easy place and you have to see what's best for you under the circumstances. The hard lessions, APS attack, KAMRA, mehran bases attacks, PC, Capture of tribal agencies, Swat and everything happened when there was previous afghan govt, NDS & RAW provided and funding terror activities inside Pakistan. This is something your own military said for 20 years non-stop and there's evidence for it, Every attack that TTP did was directly benefitting india. As RAW was helping anti-Taliban faction, so Taliban was against indian influence in Afghanistan. Its proven by history and foundation of Taliban that it never worked against the existance of Pakistan as nation state. However, northern alliance did worked exactly on that purpose. You really don't want people like Amrullah Saleh to be in-charge of Afghanistan. Your cultural disputes with Pashtuns is irrelevant. Pashtuns are second largest group in Pakistan. They are Pakistani. So clear you head, you need to change your mindset instead asking millions of Pakistanis to change. By the way, spreading hatred based on ethnicity was always the agenda of Indians. You should REALLY avoid that!!

Now as for the solution, Here is my solution and of course its unrealistic but guarantee bring peace to Pakistan..

1) Deport every Afghan, Legal or illegal back to Afghanistan, there is no war in Afghanistan and no Invading forces so they have no reason to stay in Pakistan.
2) Laws must be make for those who will hide illegal Afghans in Pakistan or help them shelter it, and strict actions to be taken to anyone who does it be it a Pathan/Punjabi/Baloch/Sindhi or etc.
3) Massive Re-educational camps for Tribal people, complete ban on Pashtoon culture and Tribal customs and Jirga system.
4) Make it mandatory for Kids to be send into Boarding style schools where they are taught to be non violent and how to behave in a civilized society/system.
5) Anyone who resist sending the kids into such schools their kids should be taken from them and send them to foster care, it happen in USA/EU all the time.
6) Complete Ban for Pashtoon to own or carry any kind of firearm.
7) Registry for them and monitoring their activities to avoid any armed militia or resistant movements.
8) Education for their women with full Govt backing.
9) Those who show signs of violence and craziness, they should be banned to travel outside of KPK or kept in those re-educational camps indefinitely.
10) Last, Teach them how to behave in a civilized world, and there is nothing proud of living in cavemen era with barbaric customs and Riwayaat, teach them to respect others, and not blow themselves and basic manner or Adaab.

Bro, I can explain each line. Whoever has visited KP, known pashtuns, known their culture, visited to tribal areas can only laugh at this solution. I don't want to disrespect you, but this is simply non-practical. First of all, I have seen more patriot Pashtuns then anybody else. However, they have very strong bond with each other based on language and customs. You really don't want to mess with half of your total territory. Baluchistan is already hostile to you, Only thing remaining was KP. You are hell bent in your enmity against Pakistan or what ? No person who wants Pakistan to survive will ever talk on lines what you are talking.

You could only think of your proposed solution only if we had same economy as of China and disciplined military and govt structure of China. We are totally broken and our corrupt system in Punjab and sindh is barely working. I mean what world you really living ? You need to understand that India will again get foothold in Afghanistan if you end up making Taliban as your enemy. You will not survive with such stick in hand mindset.

 

[Hephaestus]

Narrative building for the educated upper middle class has started, now the same needs to be done for the awaam by calling TTP Khwarji in Urdu and Pashto

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Taliban government in Afghanistan is not legitimate: PM Kakar - Aaj News

Taliban government in Afghanistan is not legitimate: PM Kakar - Aaj News

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Baap maare mendki, beta tirandaaz

 

[ST1976]

Narrative building for the educated upper middle class has started, now the same needs to be done for the awaam by calling TTP Khwarji in Urdu and Pashto

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Taliban government in Afghanistan is not legitimate: PM Kakar - Aaj News

Taliban government in Afghanistan is not legitimate: PM Kakar - Aaj News

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victorious Taliban fought fair war with US-NATO, and we have no wrong news about Taliban's rule in Afghanis, they are similar to communist Rule like Iran, Russia etc.
Russia was to have diplomatic relation with Taliban ruled Afghan also, but things couldn't go forward...
Taliban are 'son of soil' of Afghan, and deserve a seat in UN also

 

[CivilianSupremacy]

These are Hameed Gul and Lal Topi propaganda talking points. US-backed Afghan setup had imprisoned thousands of TTA, TTP, and ISKP fighters. Same setup helped eliminate many TTP fighters as well.

TTA and TTP are allies on the other hand (all Taliban groups have common foundation). US-backed Afghan setup could not offer much to Pakistan when Pakistan was supporting TTA and being soft on TTP.

Pakistan had no clear vision and strategy for transforming Afghanistan and making it less hostile to Pakistan with American support. Ummah Confusion Syndrome.

Snakes have hibernation period(s). They will bite when active. TTA was preoccupied with Northern Alliance in the 90s. Now TTA can show teeth to Pakistan. TTA does not have do much on its own when TTP can do the dirty work for it.

Then you are basically saying that your own military (GHQ & ISPR) was lying all the time for 20 years non-stop by saying there is nexus of NDS and RAW, indian consulates funding and training terror activities against Pakistan ?

The Kamra and Mehran base kind of attacks were where TTP only targetted assets that were procured against india. TTP had no submarines or airforce. They sent their fighters on one-way mission for indian objectives. Who really was working for Indian B-team?


You are right Pakistan had no vision. That's why we allowed US to bomb our own territory and kill our own people. We gave all the fuel for this terrorism. This wasn't our war. Nobody had attacked Pakistan on 9/11. Taliban of 90's was the dream come true for Pakistan. It was the most peaceful government for Pakistan. We had zero terrorism and zero security issues. We jumped into someone's else war. We became frontline state, we let americans kill and take our people away. What do you think would have happened ?

BTW, if you think that we should have gone all in and with americans finish the Taliban then you are wrong, Even american Generals lately aknowledged that Taliban has complete local support. You cannot remove them unless you wipe out entire villages which is not the right thing to do. and for whom you wanted to get rid of Taliban??? For Northern alliance govt for people like Amrullah Saleh ??? Have you ever heard them speaking against Pakistan. Unlike Taliban, that Kabul govt was totally against Pakistan's existance as nation state. Taliban was founded was pro-Paksitan group. Its founder had said on record that attack on Pakistan will be an attack on Afghanistan.

 

[TheSolution]

TTA was preoccupied with Northern Alliance in the 90s. Now TTA can show teeth to Pakistan. TTA does not have do much on its own when TTP can do the dirty work for it.

This actually makes a lot of sense to account for the 90s, as I said the only time where the border was relatively quiet was when they were busy elsewhere I.e postponing the inevitable violence between the two states

and for whom you wanted to get rid of Taliban??? For Northern alliance govt for people like Amrullah Saleh ??? Have you ever heard them speaking against Pakistan. Unlike Taliban, that Kabul govt was totally against Pakistan's existance as nation state. Taliban was founded was pro-Paksitan group. Its founder had said on record that attack on Pakistan will be an attack on Afghanistan.

Northern Alliance (Tajiks) were only against Pakistan because it strictly chose the Taliban (Pashtuns) as its allies who were its enemies. Not because of any personal principle, it was reactionary.

Mullah Omar may have made that statement but it was only regarding kaffirs (he was a strict Islamist) and he also was clear that he would never accept the border with Pakistan just like all his predecessors and it could lead to violence. Again, he was preoccupied with the NATO invasion and fighting against Northern alliance so the conflict with Pakistan was temporarily stalled.

Tajiks have no personal connection to the Durrand line. Pashtuns, main ardent Afghanists, do. Hence Tajiks are far more likely to be co-operative and accepting of your national sovereignty if they come to power.

Also Tajiks and others would be way easier to keep in check because you could use Taliban (Pashtuns) as a control mechanism to show them you could switch support to their enemy.

 

[RescueRanger]

@LeGenD Former Gen Alvi had cautioned the then gov on feeding the snakes especially after Lal Masjid and look where it got him? Six feet under and slander against a shaheed saying he was “womanising”.

 

[uhuru]

Narrative building for the educated upper middle class has started, now the same needs to be done for the awaam by calling TTP Khwarji in Urdu and Pashto

https://twitter.com/x/status/1701830146590920865

Taliban government in Afghanistan is not legitimate: PM Kakar - Aaj News

Taliban government in Afghanistan is not legitimate: PM Kakar - Aaj News

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hold on... he is from the insider establishment... rafiki... what green leaves are you eating? Your own establishment put them there and are behind all other jihadis to keep yourself in power and relevant.

 

[Sayfullah]

What was his view on Iran?

He was anti Iran especially since the Iranian revolution was knew and seen Iranians as tryna spread their revolution in the region. He was pro Baloch who were fighting Iran.
He also famously made this threat to Iran in an interview to BBC in 1997:
"The Iranians better behave themselves or by God I shall chase them to Isfahan.”

 

[ziaulislam]

This picture of ISI chief having a cuppa wasn’t clicked too long back. It was declared a moment of unparalleled victory against most powerful nations. Was it?

Some people who tried to advise caution, were told to buzz off with expletIves galore.

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What was the plan that day?
Requesting some friends bursting crackers that day, to throw some light.

Yes it was.
Pakistan can do now whatever it wants in Afghanistan

Before it couldn't dare do air strikes or pressurize afghan govt as two superpowers namely India and USA were there

Same shortsightedness as seen in the past.

Does Paksiatn have more resources than the US and USSR?

Taliban has been a graveyard of many mighty empires and nations in the last 200 years.

One thing that Afghnas can do is to wear down any adversary. If anyone tries to mess with them, they don’t need to defeat them. They would just tie them down like they did to USSR and the US.

Taliban would prove to be a nemesis with a very high cost to Paksiatn. This is just a start.


Really? Put down by whom? Paksiatn?

Pushtoons land is graveyard for empires not afgahnistan

This is where outsiders have little to no understanding of the region

My advise please study history and tell us where all and every resistance started and who led them and where that place is now and where are pushtoons located these days and with whom do they have their allegiance

Indians met a few gay afghans and mostly persians and think that they know what Afghanistan is

 

[VkdIndian]

Pakistan can do now whatever it wants in Afghanistan

To start with, could you please ask them to stop supporting insurgents who are attacking from the Western border everyday? The current situation appears worse than the time when US was present there.

 

[Hephaestus]

This picture of ISI chief having a cuppa wasn’t clicked too long back. It was declared a moment of unparalleled victory against most powerful nations. Was it?

Some people who tried to advise caution, were told to buzz off with expletIves galore.

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What was the plan that day?
Requesting some friends bursting crackers that day, to throw some light.

My thoughts exactly. Some senior members were frothing in their mouths. Zehani azaadi, taliban will fight in Kashmir and what not. It's so funny.

I am always amazed by Pakistan's rulers (PA) & most of it's citizens. I mean what kind of death wish they have. Where do they draw the line

Khair hamein kya! Hum toh tamasha dekhenge!

 

[ziaulislam]

Pushtoon and afghan are interchangeable words and even in current legal documents in Pakistan pushtoons are called Afghan or pushtoons interchangeably

To start with, could you please ask them to stop supporting insurgents who are attacking from the Western border everyday? The current situation appears worse than the time when US was present there.

We did..
We are getting there ..carrot and stick

First things first... namely organizing the boarder and removing illegal afghans that we couldn't have imagined doing in USA era

You guys should worry about your own house

 

[Sayfullah]

he was a strict Islamist

Which is why he’s respected more and I would rather someone like him rule Afghanistan. Cuz he was consistent with his view. It wasn’t only him not recognizing Durand line, rather he was harsh on all his neighbours and kaffirs in general. Current Taliban leadership and TTP according to them Pakistan is the most unislamic neighbour they have even tho Turkmenistan is an atheist communist North Korea type state, Uzbekistan had hijab banned for the longest time and many Islamic practices banned, Tajikistan still has hijab banned, Iran is not Sunni. But they’re asking for peace and recognition with all of them while harsh on Pakistan. That’s ethnic nationalism cuz their enmity with Pakistan is over nationalistic issue like Durand line. Mullah Omar at least his views were consistent and he was not an ethnic nationalist.

Again, he was preoccupied with the NATO invasion and fighting against Northern alliance so the conflict with Pakistan was temporarily stalled.

He even sent envoys to ttp to stop fighting Pakistan. Even with no northern alliance of NATO he still wouldn’t have went after Pakistan cuz he was probably least harsh on Pakistan vs all the other neighbouring countries.
He helped guarantee security of Pakistani convoys and shipments to Central Asia and freed the ones taken hostage by warlords. That’s literally one of the biggest reasons why Pakistan initially supported him cuz he ensured our connectivity with Central Asia.

Both Mullah Omar and Jalaludeen Haqqani were probably the most pro pak and best for Pakistans interests in Afghanistan.

 

[ziaulislam]

My thoughts exactly. Some senior members were frothing in their mouths. Zehani azaadi, taliban will fight in Kashmir and what not. It's so funny.

I am always amazed by Pakistan's rulers (PA) & most of it's citizens. I mean what kind of death wish they have. Where do they draw the line

Khair hamein kya! Hum toh tamasha dekhenge!

It's not our fault that you listened to children

No Pakistani with sane mind thought afghan will fight in kashmir because DUH
THEY NEVER DID

THOSE WERE TRIBALS FROM GB and current KPK not Afghanistan

Goal was to kick outsiders from region so we can deal with afghans that was acheived

This actually makes a lot of sense to account for the 90s, as I said the only time where the border was relatively quiet was when they were busy elsewhere I.e postponing the inevitable violence between the two states


Northern Alliance (Tajiks) were only against Pakistan because it strictly chose the Taliban (Pashtuns) as its allies who were its enemies. Not because of any personal principle, it was reactionary.

Mullah Omar may have made that statement but it was only regarding kaffirs (he was a strict Islamist) and he also was clear that he would never accept the border with Pakistan just like all his predecessors and it could lead to violence. Again, he was preoccupied with the NATO invasion and fighting against Northern alliance so the conflict with Pakistan was temporarily stalled.

Tajiks have no personal connection to the Durrand line. Pashtuns, main ardent Afghanists, do. Hence Tajiks are far more likely to be co-operative and accepting of your national sovereignty if they come to power.

Also Tajiks and others would be way easier to keep in check because you could use Taliban (Pashtuns) as a control mechanism to show them you could switch support to their enemy.

Durand lind is done business what's the point in bringing it up

 

[Hephaestus]

Goal was to kick outsiders from region so we can deal with afghans that was acheived

You are very conveniently changing the narrative.

Anyways,
So what now? Once you have dealt with the Afghans (God knows how) you'll achieve the strategic depth? What is the end-goal?