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PM Kakar says Afghan Taliban "illegitimate," ; Pakistan may directly target TTP & its 'supporters' on Afghan soil - SAI

Loose end is TTP. TTP and Taliban are ideological brothers. Just to remind you, TTP started it's war 16 years ago for Afghan Taliban. Tens of thousands of them died protecting Taliban interest. They gave refuge to Taliban fighters during WOT and got bombed thousands of times for it. Now Afghan Taliban won the war and have an entire nation under its control. Now TTP want afghan Taliban to do what TTP already done for them. And Taliban is an ideological organisation, they kept their word and now supporting TTP.

LOL! This isn't a fairy tale as you are describing.

Let's see who really helped TTP at first place. There was Pro-indian govt in Afghanistan. How on earth TTP flourished in Afghanistan?

Now let's see TTP signature attacks. Each and every attack was designed to help india. Just few examples:

1) Kamra attack
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TTP do not have an airforce, they could have attacked fighters which used to drop bombs, but they specifically targetted AWACS. Those were aquired only for india and indian airforce. Why otherwise TTP wanted to destroy AWACS ??

2) Mehran base
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Again TTP has no submaines, it attacked anti-submarine aircrafts. All those assets are bought specifcally for india. TTP worked as B-team for india. All those attacks were carefully planed and funded by indian RAW. Even a blind man can see that.

3) Attack on cricket team
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Attack was designed to end all future cricket tournaments in Pakistan and move venue to India. Hence indian cricket moved to new heights, It became most powerful in ICC and lot happened. Do the dot connecting. its too simple


4) Attack on Karachi airport.
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Was targetted to end all travel / trade routes to Karachi and move to alternatives in india.


There were many others. Direct beneficiary of all TTP attacks was Always India. TTP worked for NDS and RAW. Afghan Taliban were opposite. The reason they are not openly starting a war with TTP is simple because so far its not a threat to their country. No country starts war for someone else. Taliban will help Pakistan in eliminating TTP as it initially did if there comes a leadership which shows character and Taliban trusts that person will give his words and will not reverse on it. Taliban is also not happy on Pakistan military junta working on US policy and appeasing US all the time. That's the reason China and Taliban are now talking directly.

Taliban don't want to start war with Pakistan either. They just want to see some honorable leaders who can leave US policy behind and work for regional success rather than foreign agenda.
 
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So, how could Pakistan tie the loose end TTP?

Pakistan army should have made Taliban choose a side before they won Afghanistan war. They should have told Afghan Taliban they need to pick either PA/ISI or TTP. If they choose TTP, expell of Taliban leaders and support Afghan government. Taliban badly needed PA support and safe heaven inside Pakistan, and they had no choice but to accept such an ultimatum.

PA made a miscalculation. They thought they can play the double game and get the better of all sides. But at the end of the day, they ended up with no one in their side. No US, No Taliban and no TTP.
 
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LOL! This isn't a fairy tale as you are describing.

Let's see who really helped TTP at first place. There was Pro-indian govt in Afghanistan. How on earth TTP flourished in Afghanistan?

Now let's see TTP signature attacks. Each and every attack was designed to help india. Just few examples:

1) Kamra attack
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TTP do not have an airforce, they could have attacked fighters which used to drop bombs, but they specifically targetted AWACS. Those were aquired only for india and indian airforce. Why otherwise TTP wanted to destroy AWACS ??

2) Mehran base
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Again TTP has no submaines, it attacked anti-submarine aircrafts. All those assets are bought specifcally for india. TTP worked as B-team for india. All those attacks were carefully planed and funded by indian RAW. Even a blind man can see that.

3) Attack on cricket team
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Attack was designed to end all future cricket tournaments in Pakistan and move venue to India. Hence indian cricket moved to new heights, It became most powerful in ICC and lot happened. Do the dot connecting. its too simple


4) Attack on Karachi airport.
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Was targetted to end all travel / trade routes to Karachi and move to alternatives in india.


There were many others. Direct beneficiary of all TTP attacks was Always India. TTP worked for NDS and RAW. Afghan Taliban were opposite. The reason they are not openly starting a war with TTP is simple because so far its not a threat to their country. No country starts war for someone else. Taliban will help Pakistan in eliminating TTP as it initially did if there comes a leadership which shows character and Taliban trusts that person will give his words and will not reverse on it. Taliban is also not happy on Pakistan military junta working on US policy and appeasing US all the time. That's the reason China and Taliban are now talking directly.

Taliban don't want to start war with Pakistan either. They just want to see some honorable leaders who can leave US policy behind and work for regional success rather than foreign agenda.

India is not the primary driver behind TTP. TTP is formed by the Pakistani Pashtuns to fight Pakistan due to Pakistani support for WOT. Their entire ideology is based on comradary with Afghan Taliban. All their leaders are from Pakistan and none of them have any history with India. It's very obvious who is the TTPs biggest benefactor by analysing the events following the fall of Kabul. For the last decade entire Pakistan leaders and analysts blaming Indian consulates in Afghanistan for TTP. However, TTP attacks increased 5 times following the withdrawal of India from Afghanistan. Do you really think an organisation will get stronger if it's alleged benefactor withdraw?
 
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Bro, That's putting a blame on someone else for our own blunders.

We were showering all praises for the "Afghan Mujhahideen" during 80's and 90's.

They were our frontline soldiers.

They were our strategic depth

We had ZERO terrorism from Afghan side throughout the 80's and 90's.

We need to ask ourselves what really happened post 9/11 that we lost 80,000 people

Answer is quite simple, We backstabbed them and our own tribal population.

Our military sold our citiizens for 5000 USD to USA even lots of innocents including.

USA used our airspace and our airbases and bombed our people. Our military was supposed to protect them and not let them be hunted and killed. People in tribal areas and KP lost their loved ones in "collateral damage". The hatred increased everyday. There was one sane person, who had a vision to understand the blowback and tried time and again to warn the low IQ military establishment that someone's else war will be costly for us. He warned that don't play on someone's else national interests. Be partner in peace and don't be partner in war. But nobody listened. This terrorism wasn't created out of vaccuum. We provided all the reasons for it to be created. The previous Afghan govt / NDS & RAW nexus funded and planned biggest attacks on Pakistan. Good thing happened when that pro-indian govt was thrown out by Taliban. We are again committing same mistake by alienating Afghan Taliban instead trying to make things right. We know how to hurt ourselves. We have zero strategic vision, we are on suicidal path. Remember Afghan Taliban are hardcore, vicious fighters who unlike our military leaders hate luxurious life but loves military action. They are already getting bored sitting idle, doing nothing. Don't give them every reason to join hands with TTP and make a strategic depth inside Pakistan rather opposite. We have no money, and we certainly cannot afford the longest border to become warzone. We barely have capability to look at one border that's at east where monster size enemy sits and waiting patiently to play its next move.

We should never think to make life hell for Afghanistan. That's a mindset for disaster. The only way towards peace is that we should facilitate development of Afghanistan. Peace / stability in Afghanistan means, all those afghans will move back to their country themselves, you will not need to expel them. Their should be trade, and good relations. Only trust and good relations can being peace and prosperity to Pakistan and Afghanistan. You can never live a peaceful life by making life hell for Afghanistan. A happy neighborhood is a recipe for progress. Unstable neighborhood will ALWAYS be troubling for you.

Whenever there is misery in Afghanistan, the Afghans will ALWAYS inflitrate in Pakistan. No matter of technology, and no amount of fundings can seal Pak-afghan border. It is an impossible task. Your only bet is have great relations with Afghan Taliban. Make them an asset rather than an enemy.

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@Goritoes

Just read your comment. This message above is response to yours as well. How easy it is to say that ALL pashtuns are evil, Do you really have idea what you are saying ? Pashtuns are not some small minority. If you make ALL Pashtuns your enemy, there would be no Pakistan left. Maligning Pashtuns is like an attack on Pakistan's survival. I suggest becareful in propping such ideas as you are not doing any service to Pakistan but doing otherwise. Reason we have stood so far is Pashtuns have sided with us. I have seen more patriot Pashtuns then anybody from any other ethnicity. Why on earth Afghan mujahideen were our beloved people in 80s and 90s. And why on earth we had zero terrorism before 9/11. Why we had no securiy issue at all. Why we never even posted military at our western border before 9/11? What changed all that? You need to answer that and you will find that it was us the culprit not them.

Secondly, before blaming anyone from our tribal areas, you need to analyze that when a US drone lifts up from Pakistani airbase, do an airstrike at a funeral procession in North waziristan agency and kills 100s of people. What do you think the response will be ? Put yourself in their position and imagine your loved ones being killed by a drone that is being facilitated by your own military. If it'd be me, I will make my life's mission to hurt that military regime that is partnering with a foreign power and butchering our people. You used these people and you then discarded them and now conveniently putting all blame on them.
That’s the thing these guys do not understand. Even more so than military is the soft power. Pakistan could’ve easily turn many into staunch pro Pakistan but too stupid to understand.
Look at the Indian rapists. They portray a positive image of them as pro afghan etc etc while only taking in a small numbers of them. That’s how you’re suppose to play the game that these cowards do not understand or care to. Only economic and propaganda works. Military power is useless when your own people can be influenced against their own survival.
 
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India is not the primary driver behind TTP. TTP is formed by the Pakistani Pashtuns to fight Pakistan due to Pakistani support for WOT. Their entire ideology is based on comradary with Afghan Taliban. All their leaders are from Pakistan and none of them have any history with India. It's very obvious who is the TTPs biggest benefactor by analysing the events following the fall of Kabul. For the last decade entire Pakistan leaders and analysts blaming Indian consulates in Afghanistan for TTP.


Why on earth TTP fighters would go a one-way mission in airbases to destroy assets that were procured only against India (or to be used only against India) as AWACS and anti--sub aircracts. TTP don't have airforce, neither submarines. They worked directly for india. NDS & RAW nexus in Afghanistan in previous Afghan govt is well established.

However, TTP attacks increased 5 times following the withdrawal of India from Afghanistan. Do you really think an organisation will get stronger if it's alleged benefactor withdraw?

WRONG!. TTP was strongest when RAW and NDS had presence in Afghanistan. TTP was in control of lot of area in Pakistan, they had reached till Swat. They had all the supply chain, They did most complex attacks against Pakistan's military which directly benefitted india. TTP is the weakest when Taliban is in power now. Lot of TTP commanders were eliminated by collaboration of Afghan Taliban and Pakistan intelligence agency. Recently attacks have risen again only after Pakistan did a complete reversal of its policy and after CIA backed regime change. Taliban simply rejects to work with an establishment that is moving heaven and earth for US interests. Taliban isn't happy Pakistan poviding airspace or maybe even refueling for US drone strike that this military establishment allowed. The new intel agency chief has completely ruined the work of previous intel cheif. Still Taliban is only responding by stopping collaborating against TTP, Taliban hasn't taken a step against Pakistan yet. They know US Puppets are in GHQ. Taliban is only waiting for Pakistan to step back from its Pro-US policy, Same as China & Russia.
 
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Wow never in my life I thought a day will come when Pashtoon supporters of Afghans and Indians will suck each other off lol of course I doubt that Pakistan will take such a hard stance, as much as I want them to take against the Afghans, but for some Pashtoons and Yes I say Pashtoons, because Punjabi/Sindhi/Baloch/Urdu Speaking/Bihari/Bengali/Kashmiri we don't give a f about Afghans, they have a country so run it or burn it. But Afghan Taliban took help from Pakistan and I bet they lied to ISI to help them and in return they will take down TTP and like their title suggest these Namak Haram unleash the TTP on Pakistan, without controlling Pashtoon's Pakistan will keep burning, cause this one ethnic group can/will be the downfall of Pakistan, Mark my words.


Because you Pajeets are too dumb to understand that on a Global scale there are no permanent friends or enemies, USA since they step foot in Afghanistan has no intention to fight WOT, their main focus was destabilize Pakistan and spy on China/Iran and other Central Asian countries. Pakistan's understood this well enough that's why they played the double game of helping both America and Taliban, same game played by America by supporting TTP.

Now Pakistan has saw deaths and destruction at the hands of TTP and under US support so it was completely understandable to keep Taliban alive so Americans are kept busy, but Americans before leaving make sure to leave enough weapons inside Afghanistan and they know that eventually Pakistan and AT will start fighting due to the unhinged nature of Afghanistan and its people.

So here we are, America defeated and left Afghanistan, before they leave they make sure to leave enough weapons and ammo so the region keep burning for decades, classic Imperial tactic, and Pakistan as always making dumb decisions internally but sending Afghans back or Attacking TTP inside Afghanistan at the expense of clashes with Afghan Taliban, so be it.. Only thing we have to see is where the Pakistani Pashtoon will stand, side with Afghanistan or Pakistan...
Pakistan stabbed Talibans in the back after 9/11, why should they trust Pakistani colonial military establishment?

Which part was poor strategic thinking?

Pakistan helping Taliban to defeat USA was the right thing to do, otherwise they would end up with permanent US presence and Indian presence under US patronage.

The only poor thinking on the part of Pakistanis was they thought the Taliban will be friendly and Afghanistan would be an ally. This was the only error in their thinking.
Pakistan did not support Taliban in defeating US, drones flew from Pakistani bases to bomb Taliban.
 
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Loose end is TTP. TTP and Taliban are ideological brothers. Just to remind you, TTP started it's war 16 years ago for Afghan Taliban. Tens of thousands of them died protecting Taliban interest. They gave refuge to Taliban fighters during WOT and got bombed thousands of times for it. Now Afghan Taliban won the war and have an entire nation under its control. Now TTP want afghan Taliban to do what TTP already done for them. And Taliban is an ideological organisation, they kept their word and now supporting TTP.
I can smell the Ganges River sh*t on you indian.

Look who’s encouraging us to start a war with the Taliban…
 
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Look at this puppet Prime minister:

PM Kakar says Afghan Taliban "illegitimate,"

This Puppet said this because Taliban has rejected collaboration with this new military establishment. Taliban rightfully considers this Pakistan's military junta and this caretaker govt as illegitimate.

Taliban, China, Russia all went in shock (including Pakistani public) when this GHQ did a regime change op on CIA's behest. You cannot expect to work with Taliban when they find you as Pro-US regime and they find you allowing drone strikes at their country.

Taliban worked closely with previous Pakistani setup and previous Pakistani intelligence cheif. Many TTP commanders were assassinated within Afghanistan. Taliban were assisting Pakistan. TTP had sent out official newsletter to its members to stay in hiding as new rulers of Afghanistan (Taliban) are collaborating with Punjabis (Pakistanis). New intelligence cheif and especially after CIA backed regime change everyone saw GHQ working on US interests. That didn't goes well for Taliban and they stopped collaborating. This Pakistani military junta which kills and tortures its own people is far more illegitimate than any other govt in neighboring countries.
 
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Mr kukkar is doin everything except what he is supposed to do and that is to organize a free n fair election. Pathetic state of this pathetic banana republic.
 
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Why on earth TTP fighters would go a one-way mission in airbases to destroy assets that were procured only against India (or to be used only against India) as AWACS and anti--sub aircracts. TTP don't have airforce, neither submarines. They worked directly for india. NDS & RAW nexus in Afghanistan in previous Afghan govt is well established.



WRONG!. TTP was strongest when RAW and NDS had presence in Afghanistan. TTP was in control of lot of area in Pakistan, they had reached till Swat. They had all the supply chain, They did most complex attacks against Pakistan's military which directly benefitted india. TTP is the weakest when Taliban is in power now. Lot of TTP commanders were eliminated by collaboration of Afghan Taliban and Pakistan intelligence agency. Recently attacks have risen again only after Pakistan did a complete reversal of its policy and after CIA backed regime change. Taliban simply rejects to work with an establishment that is moving heaven and earth for US interests. Taliban isn't happy Pakistan poviding airspace or maybe even refueling for US drone strike that this military establishment allowed. The new intel agency chief has completely ruined the work of previous intel cheif. Still Taliban is only responding by stopping collaborating against TTP, Taliban hasn't taken a step against Pakistan yet. They know US Puppets are in GHQ. Taliban is only waiting for Pakistan to step back from its Pro-US policy, Same as China & Russia.

Attacking and destroying most valuable military assets weakness the Pakistan military. It diverts significant capital to replace such assets, which will inturn reduce militaries overall capability in other sectors. AWACs is costly, submarines are costly, so from a long-term military campaign perspective, it makes more sense to destroy them than cheep assets.


TTP was it's strongest during and after it's inception, from 2007-2015 era. After Pakistani military campaign they weakened and was at its lowest around 2018. TTP is rising ever since 2019-2020 and it's attacks only increased several fold after Taliban took over Afghanistan. It's a statistically verifiable fact. Uptick in attacks didn't start with overthrow of ImranKhan.

 
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Pakistan shud take easy pickings and hold them kind off small buffer zones between Afghanistan and Pakistan
Also look at wakhan corridor very very carefully
 
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Noticed the Indian stink bombs and Punjabi supremacists sitting in England on PDF are both salivating at the thought of Pakistan fighting TTA. I can guarantee it that the TTA will destroy the Pakistani army and end Pakistan as a nation state. These cowards/idiots do not understand what getting into a war entail as they have always turn tail in their history including 1947 and 1965.

Trust me as someone who has vast knowledge of the geo-strategic realities - I guarantee Iran, Indian rapists, the US will likely arm the Taliban to ensure this war goes on forever as its a win win situation.

Their motivations is the following:

Iran - defang a coward US backed nuke armed regime to protect its south eastern flank

India - won’t insult anyone’s intelligent but they will pull a Turkey on Syria after the coward army runs away (which will occur as GHQ never gave af about KPK or B-Stan so running away from there should be expected)

US- pull a mini Ukraine - Russia to defang a nuke state to ensure toothless nation. Even more compliance nation that Pakistan is today.

Expect TTA to use hit and run tactics and likely destroy the Air Forces strategic assets like AWACS’s and modern fighter jets.
TTA would behead you for being an ugly Panjabay Shia.

Your dickriding is purely because of an inferiority complex but you arent even worthy of being a slave.
Pakistan never thought Taliban will be friendly and Pakistan's action since US withdrawal are not very friendly and vice-versa. But practically speaking, whats the choice here?

Do you realize what kind of government Taliban had thrown out in Afghanistan. That was the government that was openly a staunch enemy of state of Pakistan. They were totally in bed with indians who are by far the biggest enemy this country has. Indian RAW and Afghan NDS both were doing combined actions against both the Taliban and planning attacks on Pakistan. Pakistan needed Taliban to take over and remove that Pro-indian govt. Pakistan also needed this for its own purpose.

Pakistan is doing a mistake by not engaging with Taliban politically. Pakistan needs to re-establish kind of trust and relationship it had with Taliban during the 90's. The mistrust was definitely created when Pakistan allowed and assisted US to do various drones strikes and missions on Taliban. Taliban has complete support in Afghanistan that's the reason they survived US.

Only mistake Pakistan is doing is trying to alienate Taliban and trying to do arm twisting. This never worked with Taliban. The super power US which was at its peak in 2001 warned Taliban to handover Al-qaeda members and save yourselves and Taliban denied. Do you think they will give any value to the warnings from totally wrecked economy and unstable country with tons of security issues surrounded between enemies? Tailban will only listen to Pakistan and assist Pakistan in eliminating TTP when it fully trusts Pakistan. That's impossible with current military establishment. As Pakistanis themselves don't trust it. This military did a regime change on foreign power behest. Taliban gives value to honor and dignity, they don't give value to such sellable people. Even houthis have more honor, they shoot down drones near their borders unlike Pakistan military which allowed to kill its own citizens.
There's nothing Pakistan can do to establish good relations with the Taliban just as there's nothing Pakistan can do to establish good relations with India - because both disputes are land disputes and they don't go away by having friendly talks.

The quicker everyone realises this the better. The Taliban in the past has pretty much said the same thing.
 
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TTA would behead you for being an ugly Panjabay Shia.

Your dickriding is purely because of an inferiority complex but you arent even worthy of being a slave.

There's nothing Pakistan can do to establish good relations with the Taliban just as there's nothing Pakistan can do to establish good relations with India - because both disputes are land disputes and they don't go away by having friendly talks.

The quicker everyone realises this the better. The Taliban in the past has pretty much said the same thing.
don’t project your ugliness onto me bro. We know you’re likely a product of multiple generations of marriages sustained by cousins bloodline.

You and every other Poon-jabi can suck a big phat one as you are the very reason why Pakistan is a sh*thole.

you are likely a product of Ranjit Singh army hence the deep rooted hatred for Pashtuns which is masked by your hatred of “TTP.”

I was almost killed by a terrorist bomb attack in 2010 while visiting Lahore. If anyone who should have personal grudge, it’s not some sh*t color confused poonjabi living in the UK and advocating destruction of a country he supposedly loves.

Low iq Indic supremacist fu*k!
 
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don’t project your ugliness onto me bro. We know you’re likely a product of multiple generations of marriages sustained by cousins bloodline.

You and every other Poon-jabi can suck a big phat one as you are the very reason why Pakistan is a sh*thole.

you are likely a product of Ranjit Singh army hence the deep rooted hatred for Pashtuns which is masked by your hatred of “TTP.”

I was almost killed by a terrorist bomb attack in 2010 while visiting Lahore. If anyone who should have personal grudge, it’s not some sh*t color confused poonjabi living in the UK and advocating destruction of a country he supposedly loves.

Low iq Indic supremacist fu*k!
You keep proving your inferiority complex by using your own characteristics as insults.

A nigga from Lahore is calling a nigga from Azad Kashmir a poonjabi 😂😂😂😂😂

Get help ASAP. Your insecurity is why you feel the need to dickride Afghanistan. Those with no insecurity don't feel that need, neither do they use their own race as an insult.

Punjab is a shithole because of insecure self-hating freaks like you. Freaks that wouldn't even qualify as slaves for those you bootlick.
 
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