PM Imran Khan vs Opposition No Confidence Vote- Updates and Discussion

[doorstar]

never....i dont wanna part of them...lolx

so what were you doing in an artillery school in England?

 

[PanzerKiel]

so what were you doing in an artillery school in England?

Cant i visit? It always good to learn a thing or two from others. I have always been a good student, keen to learn, all ears.

 

[Goenitz]

Its nothing against the personality of IK ( he is the best we have got (personally as well as at institutional level, no doubt), but its against some other people who are around him.....

Is it just corruption? as COAS said in LUMS?

Anyway, never ever I liked Zulfi, Swati and that ring road scandal people and, R.Daud. These are corrupt people. Idk why IK defended them.
What else, foreign policy direction? I guess Moeed is doing the best! or some Nuclear type compromise thing.

Anyway, you can hold back info if it seems fit. However, truth defends itself. If one's duty is speak the truth like a judge or apostel then his job is to tell that. People will think whatever they want.

If its not a bar on your shoulder, then you can elaborate. Don't worry about people's reaction. You cannot convince 22 million people anyway so don't wait till then.

 

[PakCan]

Yeah i was a university student more than 20 years ago...(was just teasing someone dear)...

Apparently, what happened or was done by establishment is wrong, i agree....but dear, there are some more serious reasons for which this might have done...i know the reasons, they are serious enough, funnily no one has hit the right guess yet.....Its nothing against the personality of IK ( he is the best we have got (personally as well as at institutional level, no doubt), but its against some other people who are around him.....

Rest there is no competition between PM and others....PM comes on media everyday, he contradicts everything which he does not agree with, he is popular, however, others dont have this libery i believe.


never....i dont wanna part of them...lolx

Thank you for your reply. I knew you are not a student, it was my lame attempt at humour.
That's the biggest criticism I always had against him, he got desperate. He picked the wrong team and his message got tainted by his actions. He should have sat in opposition and build a strong team.

I have given previous examples of 2011 elections in Canada. Where people voted for NDP leader Jack Layton and his party gave tickets to 19/20 year olds and they won because people wanted him to win. Khan desperation made him pick a team of crooks, I do hope he learns his lesson. I look forward to Khan coming back stronger with a better team, any chance of that?

He must have messed up really bad for this all to be triggered, for them to allow PDM to win. I guess they are more controllable.

 

[Imran Khan]

اس کیلئے نواز شریف جتنا جگرا چاہیے

Ohh bhai nawaz sharif ka ghairat se kya lena dena

 

[Chak Bamu]

Despite having given up on PDF, recent events, and your principled and valiant stand here has compelled me to make an exception and post the following:

You may recall my saying that naya Pakistan will prove to be just like purana Pakistan. My saying that, despite the derision here, is proven true just about every other day, recent events included. I told you when this government was machinated into power that the reason for keeping the coalition as weak as it created, was by design, since the time would come when PMIK will need to be shown his real place.

Having observed the above "I told you so", please allow me to advise caution at this stage again. The SC verdict, satisfying as it is for some, and horrific as it is for many here, is just another part of the same system. Pakistan will continue to be governed by the same entity as it has been for the last so many decades, for better or for worse, and it will continue down the same steady path, no matter what setup is manufactured next to take the place of the present one.

This is a mere change of facade, on time and by design. Expect no substantive changes for the foreseeable future. The stability of the system relies on keeping the political process juvenile and self-destructive, and it shall be kept so, no matter how handsome or how big of a criminal the chosen temporary talking head is, as long as he or she does not stray too far from the prescribed line.

You may reach me at vcheng552000@yahoo.com if you wish to carry on this conversation further. I will go back to my observational stance here once again.

Pakistan zindabad! Pak Fauj kee azmat ko salaam!

Dear Dr. sb, I know that you would not be answering me here & I do not expect you to do so either. Let me just appreciate your post & tell you that many years ago, after mistaking you for someone who was anti-Pakistan I realized that you were more caring than most here & my respect for you grew. I certainly read your posts with interest & attention because of the quality of your thinking. If one were to never consider a seemingly opposing POV, one would never grow.

My purpose in coming here & 'wasting' my time is to provide a counter to the dominant ultra-nationalist & sometimes fascist narrative that is toxic & damaging to the environment & the persons who profess such a mind-set. Many sane people have given up & I feel that at least a few people ought to counter it to provide perspective.

It is only fitting that trolls bite back those who reared them in name of 5GW or whatever else they call this group-think. It is just & proper wages for what they did. But after the initial satisfaction of seeing this happen, it breeds worry not just for the country, but also the nationalist trolls themselves. The obsession with control ignores the patriotism & perspective of common people who may need just the space to express themselves. There never was a need to control speech, politics, & policy. One hopes that the 'institution' which did much to damage society & polity understands its limitations; and that the people who got used as mere tools learn from the hard U-turn & its outcomes.

I believe in growth. I used to think like most nationalists & its been quite a journey over many years to become who I am now. And I sometimes feel ashamed of my former self. I have hope that many young ones here would grow & be different people. I hope that my opposition to their current cultish mind-set would hasten the process of wearing off the said mind-set so that growth may occur.

Perhaps you never were like me & therefore you see grounds for pessimism. Having been through a journey, I can look back at the milestones I crossed (Kargil being a major one) I can empathize with some people with opposing POV (nationalism, parochialism, etc...).

As IK's regime collapses & it drives many here nuts, it is an opportune time to remind people (& management of PDF) that without a strong base in the electorate & hearts of people, no political structure can survive. It is best to let the system stabilize & to let the political processes drive themselves according to the Constitution.

Thank you again for your post & your time. I appreciate your attention. May you prosper & flourish. Wa Salaam.

 

[PakFactor]

Buhat logon se hazam nahin hogi, and then i might be labelled something else.....

If you don’t share your thoughts you will not open the door to another perspective that could lead an individual on the correct path.

 

[Chak Bamu]

Ok lets see how big a supporter of "Constitution" you are:

1) Do you support prolonged jail term for Nawaz Sharif once he comes back for being fugitive?
Yes or No

2) Do you support that Shabaz Sharif should be in jail as being guarantor of Nawaz Sharif who has become a fugitive?
Yes or No?

3) Do do support that Lahore High Court should be prosecuted under contempt of court for not implementing SC ruling for model town enquiry?

Yes or No?

4) Do you support that Rana Sanaullah, Shabaz Sharif, his son should not be given any more leaves from the court and finally be formally charged or freed?

Yes or No?

Should we allow an absconder to become PM? No. IK should never have been the PM, then.

You think you are the only one who can raise questions of law in name of the Constitution? We are part of an imperfect polity which has weak institutions & in this case we must look towards function of the system, otherwise there is plenty that can be used to jam any movement at all.

 

[SaadH]

Yeah i was a university student more than 20 years ago...(was just teasing someone dear)...

Apparently, what happened or was done by establishment is wrong, i agree....but dear, there are some more serious reasons for which this might have done...i know the reasons, they are serious enough, funnily no one has hit the right guess yet.....Its nothing against the personality of IK ( he is the best we have got (personally as well as at institutional level, no doubt), but its against some other people who are around him.....

Rest there is no competition between PM and others....PM comes on media everyday, he contradicts everything which he does not agree with, he is popular, however, others dont have this libery i believe.


never....i dont wanna part of them...lolx

Just enough ambiguity and vagueness to cast aspersion on his rule, yet not enough details to have plausible deniability.

And even if one were to accept these serious reasons, they have to be the flimsiest of all time, especially given what his predecessors have been allowed to get away with.

Problem lies not with IK in fact with no other civilian, rather with the establishment...it's about time someone calls them out and rid this nation of their seven decades long scourge on the destiny of the people.

 

[White privilege]

When shiekh rashid and Shireen mazari are saying something
You usually choose the saner heads
Like moeed yousaf, Qureshi

There would be no value in even broadcasting the cipher to the now, its context has already been politicized.It won't suit the opposition so they will never accept it.

 

[Dark-Destroyer]

Well on the bright side we will have PDM save the day and what great governance they will provide evergreen will be cheap again and the country will run towards progression and of course America will forgive us and give us a bone

 

[SIPRA]

Just enough ambiguity and vagueness to cast aspersion on his rule, yet not enough details to have plausible deniability.

And even if one were to accept these serious reasons, they have to be the flimsiest of all time, especially what his predecessors have been allowed to get away with.

Problem lies not with IK in fact with no other civilian, rather with the establishment...it's about time someone calls them out and rid this nation of their seven decades long scourge on the destiny of the people.

Of course, that is not the real cause. Might be a flimsy excuse.

 

[Chak Bamu]

Its Imran Khan versus judges, generals, corrupt politicians and election commission.

It truly is a war now between haq and baatil. Between patriots and traitors. Pick your side carefully.

How about it being between baatil & baatil?

Why don't you realize that IK was propped by generals (well-documented) and that it is now between them & him.

Generals (Pasha et al...) should never have run his campaign while in Uniform. IK should have always looked to grow into power instead of being imposed via 'angels'.

So it is between baatil & baatil. Haq is eating popcorn & enjoying the show from the sidelines as of now.

 

[Chak Bamu]

Hint

Bushra bibi? Can't exactly do much here
or that lalu Buzdar- already removed

(Not a question just my guess)

This is not it, I think.

@kursed can tell you more. He pointed out something a few days ago based on OSINT in a private conversation. I will let him dilate on it if he so wishes. If not, I'd rather not go there myself. But do believe @PanzerKiel when he says something. If he does not want to say something now, let it be so.

 

[PakCan]

This is not it, I think.

@kursed can tell you more. He pointed out something a few days ago based on OSINT in a private conversation. I will let him dilate on it if he so wishes. If not, I'd rather not go there myself. But do believe @PanzerKiel when he says something. If he does not want to say something now, let it be so.

I really do hope that posters can share or hint towards the reason why this took place. Rest, everyone is free to react how they wish.