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PM Imran Khan vs Opposition No Confidence Vote- Updates and Discussion
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This reminds me of Arya Stark from Game of Thrones
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Clearly when i saw hamid mir return i started predicting IK is going and people use to laugh
This change is not related to ukrain it has been brewing for 7-8 months as biden said he wont speak or compromise and wanted minus IK. When that didnt work that decided on minus PTI
Reason it took 8 months was to get PPPP PMLN MQM and judicary on same page..
As any govt over turn would need judicary support because opposition dont have numbers without horse trading
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I wanted to create a thread about establishment role, but I thinks these get deleted.and @PanzerKiel perhaps you could fine more names for Bajwa if I had written it, 'properly'
The crux is. One cannot control a hungry person.
it is the same old story since ages. Be it MLN (1985), MQM or the NROs given in 2002 or AL-Q in 80s. Such as the US thought it can control Al-Qaedah, and it couldn't. OBL had its own agenda and started pursuing it. Musharraf thought he could control MQM, he couldn't, and even I blame him for Baldia factory incident as he unleashed the monsters as an ally. Monester do what they are supposed to do, sooner or later.
The rebels/corrupt people just listen to their lust for power and money, from the beginning. They can be obedient and 'civilised' to the govt/politicians/establishment till they get the power. Once, they consolidate, they then bite you as you are the only challanger who prevents them from absolute corruption and control.
Same goes for armed resistance/terroists group. We couldn't control Mujahideen who were listening us and fighting together, but the moment USSR left they didn't listen to anybody and fought each other.
Now, this circus to control politicians, judiciary, ECP etc through money or blackmail.. It has created an environment of sellouts. Perhaps, we can never see stability in Pakistan as anyone can buy politcians and control Pakistan indirectly. Pak army thinks that she can, but it is not even a player. What it can offer to sellouts comapred to US ?
I wanted to create a thread about establishment role, but I thinks these get deleted.and @PanzerKiel perhaps you could fine more names for Bajwa if I had written it, 'properly'
The crux is. One cannot control a hungry person.
it is the same old story since ages. Be it MLN (1985), MQM or the NROs given in 2002 or AL-Q in 80s. Such as the US thought it can control Al-Qaedah, and it couldn't. OBL had its own agenda and started pursuing it. Musharraf thought he could control MQM, he couldn't, and even I blame him for Baldia factory incident as he unleashed the monsters as an ally. Monester do what they are supposed to do, sooner or later.
The rebels/corrupt people just listen to their lust for power and money, from the beginning. They can be obedient and 'civilised' to the govt/politicians/establishment till they get the power. Once, they consolidate, they then bite you as you are the only challanger who prevents them from absolute corruption and control.
Same goes for armed resistance/terroists group. We couldn't control Mujahideen who were listening us and fighting together, but the moment USSR left they didn't listen to anybody and fought each other.
Now, this circus to control politicians, judiciary, ECP etc through money or blackmail.. It has created an environment of sellouts. Perhaps, we can never see stability in Pakistan as anyone can buy politcians and control Pakistan indirectly. Pak army thinks that she can, but it is not even a player. What it can offer to sellouts comapred to US ?
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Definitely but bajwa needs amreeki dollars.
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The problem with the army is their assets and awlaad don't want to give up the sweet sweet dollars.
The army should have backed up Imran khan now. We can't be chamche of the West any longer, although some army top brass.
Most of us have a good overall perspective on the international level.Nice to see how much foreign resident pakistanis seem to know about "ground realities" and "public support", even more than resident pakistanis.
The army has lost allot of respect and will get much hate because of the support they have given to has elements in the country .
Paisoh ki ghulaami Karo begharto
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Guess u have veen living elsewhere
Thugs have enjoyed this country and dont expect that to chnage
Liberals hate the army
Young generation will hate it
But patwaris who previosuly hate it will start lving it again
This will be good for pakistan since parwaris are most important part of pakistan as they are concentrated in central punjab vs youthias are in KPK and karachi
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Now, where it is coming from. Like, everybody I love my army, and I feel hurt the most due to that love. I am not saying, I hate them now, but I would love to see them called out, being hackled here and there, and perhaps people staining their faces with ink, etc, especially who are 'settled' abroad.
Why? because this mess has weakened Pakistan and its institution. No use of such a country where people are not heard. Corrupt and incompetent people will rule who will not care of public. Quality medicine, water, food etc,will cease to exist which are basic needs. How, your and mine children will survive that?
In fact, in mind I have argued my wife and her brother (Brigaider) to the point that I had sent her sister back to her in laws. Perhaps, this was my 'revenge' to the army. Anyhow, still feeling the same since 2-3 days though I maintained my cool over phone with them. But you can understand the grudge/hatred travels from place to place, generation to generation, and time. It can erupt anywhere. I don't where I will do.
The thing which hurt me the most is Indian watching us like that. I dont mind being poor but being dysfunctionl like this. Lack of unity and in utter helplessness.
I was being ok that my father couldn't get justice in 10 years of court cases, but PDM 'can' in a week. Shahrukh jatoi can by pass it. Ayan ali is free and the officer was killed leaving his children at the mercy of the merciless society, but no this.
Perhaps, it is my middle age that my blood boils but don't overflow. I must appreciate that IK hasn't said anything like what PMLN workers has just started or their leaders did in past. But what about young Pakistanis?
I hope thick skin Bajwa (here you go, as civilised as it can be) can understand that what muck he is creating and he is not all wise who had everything under cotrol and playing long game for Pakitan's interests even after allowing US offcials buying politicians in broad day light.
Now, where it is coming from. Like, everybody I love my army, and I feel hurt the most due to that love. I am not saying, I hate them now, but I would love to see them called out, being hackled here and there, and perhaps people staining their faces with ink, etc, especially who are 'settled' abroad.
Why? because this mess has weakened Pakistan and its institution. No use of such a country where people are not heard. Corrupt and incompetent people will rule who will not care of public. Quality medicine, water, food etc,will cease to exist which are basic needs. How, your and mine children will survive that?
In fact, in mind I have argued my wife and her brother (Brigaider) to the point that I had sent her sister back to her in laws. Perhaps, this was my 'revenge' to the army. Anyhow, still feeling the same since 2-3 days though I maintained my cool over phone with them. But you can understand the grudge/hatred travels from place to place, generation to generation, and time. It can erupt anywhere. I don't where I will do.
The thing which hurt me the most is Indian watching us like that. I dont mind being poor but being dysfunctionl like this. Lack of unity and in utter helplessness.
I was being ok that my father couldn't get justice in 10 years of court cases, but PDM 'can' in a week. Shahrukh jatoi can by pass it. Ayan ali is free and the officer was killed leaving his children at the mercy of the merciless society, but no this.
Perhaps, it is my middle age that my blood boils but don't overflow. I must appreciate that IK hasn't said anything like what PMLN workers has just started or their leaders did in past. But what about young Pakistanis?
I hope thick skin Bajwa (here you go, as civilised as it can be) can understand that what muck he is creating and he is not all wise who had everything under cotrol and playing long game for Pakitan's interests even after allowing US offcials buying politicians in broad day light.
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Kaheen FIA ko tu nai bhejne ka irada in names ko ?
Overseas Pakistaniyo ke liye saza kami ki darkhast hai ? ya phir Passport ke bajae Asylum ke paper file ker dun ?
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آج کربلا کا دن محسوس ہوتا ہے
۔ ایک طرف عمران خان ظلم کے خلاف کھڑے ہیں
دوسری طرف یزید کے پرستار ہیں
وہ عمران خان سے کہتے ہیں اپنا سر جھکا لو
وہ اسے کہتے ہیں کہ ابلیس کو اپنا لیڈر تسلیم کرو
وہ اس سے کہتے ہیں کہ یزید کو قبول کر لو سب معاف ہو جائیں گے۔
آئیے سوچتے ہیں کہ تاریخ یزید کے پیروکاروں کو کیسے یاد رکھتی ہے
حیران نہ ہوں
یزید کا اپنا سپریم کورٹ/دربار بھی تھا
۔ ایک طرف عمران خان ظلم کے خلاف کھڑے ہیں
دوسری طرف یزید کے پرستار ہیں
وہ عمران خان سے کہتے ہیں اپنا سر جھکا لو
وہ اسے کہتے ہیں کہ ابلیس کو اپنا لیڈر تسلیم کرو
وہ اس سے کہتے ہیں کہ یزید کو قبول کر لو سب معاف ہو جائیں گے۔
آئیے سوچتے ہیں کہ تاریخ یزید کے پیروکاروں کو کیسے یاد رکھتی ہے
حیران نہ ہوں
یزید کا اپنا سپریم کورٹ/دربار بھی تھا
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Why Pakistanis deserve this? They have been living thru this decade after decade, I don't understand why people take it out on common Pakistanis, as if all of Pakistanis are mature and highly educated well off people who deliberately make wrong choices ........
O bai common Pakistani is sheep that is used every 5 years or so to put up a show and that is just that, a show. The actual karta dharta baygairat k bachay the so called "servants" of Pakistan are responsible for current Pakistan and not common Pakistanis.
These jarnail, judges, bureaucrats, MNAs, MPAs, Senators they all need to die en masse, just die (preferably a miserable painful death) and get replaced by God fearing upright honest people who are not coward and servant to their personal interests.
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