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PKK/PYD terrorists use US TOW missiles against Turkish troops in Afrin

There also started an independence movement which was calmed down when we granted them more rights for self governance.
This is how it works. To begin with the minority provinces will demand "one kilmetre" but the majority will refuse to concede even a millimetre. After forced integration takes root and the minority has been homogenized the majority relaxes the grip. As a compromise a centimetre is offered which is accepted and everybody lives in peace and harmony. In UK I am thinking the Welsh and Scots.
 
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The Turkish intervention in Afrin and other operations in Northern Syria can be understood as a reaction to a broader geostrategic containment/balkanization of the region. This operation by itself is not a "genocide of Kurds" but a operation to prevent the greater conflict that would follow if no action is taken.

I share the sentiment with other Chinese members that Turkish support for Uyghur seperatists in Xinjiang is not welcomed and the Chinese state will take measures to eliminate it. But in recent years the relation between China and Turkey has gotten better due to the explicit desire for termination of supporters for Uyghur separatists and eliminate anti-China forces in Turkey, as voiced by the Turkish foreign ministry. Relations change according to reality, and we should get past it.

Often the Uyghur situation gets a blanket statement. Xinjiang's geography is that of multiple oasis, this creates island mentality within the Uyghurs themselves, each live in their own bubble. Historically they were different Kingdoms and had different historical relations with the central government and other Chinese. Some are pro government and some tend to be anti-government. Places like Turpan and Hami get preferential treatment and are very much against separatist movements, along with many other places. Many Uyghurs serve in the security forces, so I wouldn't make a unfair blanket statement about their attitudes.
 
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No one offended the Turk when they startup nearby. Turk is imperialistic and wish to destabilized the region and unfortunately, the wicked Turk dream got support from most Pakistani PDF.
 
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No one offended the Turk when they startup nearby. Turk is imperialistic and wish to destabilized the region and unfortunately, the wicked Turk dream got support from most Pakistani PDF.
There is no support to wicked Turkish dream but there is support to Turkish right to protect it's borders from YPG and PKK. What do you want? Let USA carve a New country out of Syria and Iraq?
 
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The second tank took a direct hit and carried on regardless.
its because it was hit head on where there is enough amour to deter an strike
the turret has almost twice as amour as the side, and the front 50% more than the sides

this is why its important to keep the tank in right location

the very reason tanks can be ambushed and destroyed in urban areas if attacked from the sides, this is what happened to russia in Chechnya

honestly this will hurt turkey in long run
in my opinion turkey has to sit down and talks to kurds
 
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When USSR Turk land become independent, China never made any noise, despite knowing it will agitate Xinjiang. And many states did not make noise when ethnics minorities start up next door.

Turk is especially wicked and supported by so many Pak PDF. Sad.

You are talking about PDF if Turkey goes into trouble Pakistan will mobilize troops. Always remember Turkey and Pakistan are 2 countries but one nation. The Turkish intervention in YPG and PKK is good for Syria and Iraq. Turkey is paying the price with it's solders for the betterment of Muslims. this PKK and YPG if left unchecked will one day march on Damascus, Ankara and Baghdad. This is another ISIS in the making and it is time to stop it right now. USA is trying to relight the conflict with arming PKK and YPG.
 
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When USSR Turk land become independent, China never made any noise, despite knowing it will agitate Xinjiang. And many states did not make noise when ethnics minorities start up next door.

Turk is especially wicked and supported by so many Pak PDF. Sad.

Turk support Jihadist who open up sex slave market...etc
Sleep is needed... forever if possible...
 
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You are talking about PDF if Turkey goes into trouble Pakistan will mobilize troops. Always remember Turkey and Pakistan are 2 countries but one nation. The Turkish intervention in YPG and PKK is good for Syria and Iraq. Turkey is paying the price with it's solders for the betterment of Muslims. this PKK and YPG if left unchecked will one day march on Damascus, Ankara and Baghdad. This is another ISIS in the making and it is time to stop it right now. USA is trying to relight the conflict with arming PKK and YPG.

I would rather Turk go into Idib and clean up the sex slave market and goatee there, before handling over it to Assad. (nevertheless these lunatics are Turks' proud protege)

The crackpot of Idib is a bigger threat against humanity.
 
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I would rather Turk go into Idib and clean up the sex slave market and goatee there, before handling over it to Assad.

The crackpot of Idib is a bigger threat against humanity.
Don't worry Assad forces are moving on Idlib and the crack pot of Idlib is about to fall to Assad forces. Rest assure the attacks on Idlib are under way at this very moment.

Russia steps up air raids on Syria's Idlib province after jet shot down
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...ib-province-after-jet-shot-down-idUSKBN1FO0VT

@Yingluck read above and don't take tension every one is doing it's part. you need to relax and take a deep breath. you are thinking too much it is not good for health man.
 
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The Turkish intervention in Afrin and other operations in Northern Syria can be understood as a reaction to a broader geostrategic containment/balkanization of the region. This operation by itself is not a "genocide of Kurds" but a operation to prevent the greater conflict that would follow if no action is taken...


Dispatches
Michael J. Totten


No, the Syrian Kurds are not Terrorists

31 January 2018




On January 20, Turkey invaded the Kurdish region of northwestern Syria to destroy what it calls a terrorist army. No, it is not fighting ISIS. It is, quite the contrary, fighting the American-backed militia that effectively destroyed ISIS and helped liberate the city of Raqqa last October.

According to Turkey’s increasingly authoritarian President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, the Kurdish People’s Protection Units (YPG) are a terrorist organization backed by the United States. That sentence right there ought to be enough to make you doubt what Erdogan is selling right now, but perhaps you aren’t sure. Few in the West know much about the YPG. Most Americans have not even heard of it. And if all a person knows about it is that it’s an armed group in Syria, of all places, that a NATO ally calls a terrorist organization, well…Syria is full of terrorists, isn’t it?

Syria is indeed full of terrorists, but the YPG is one of the few armed factions in the war that adheres to moral Western warfighting norms. It’s also one of the precious few factions that’s genuinely pro-Western.

The YPG is backed by the Pentagon and 2,000 American soldiers as part of Washington’s plan to effectively control 28 percent of Syrian territory so that ISIS cannot come back. It’s mostly made up of ethnic Kurds, although there are Arab, Assyrian Christian and foreign fighters mixed into the ranks, including women in the Women’s Protection Units. They are the armed wing of the Democratic Union Party, founded in 2003.

Their ideology isn’t Islamist. It’s leftist. They champion, in their own words, “social equality, justice and the freedom of belief” along with “pluralism and the freedom of political parties.” They hope to implement “a democratic solution that includes the recognition of cultural, national and political rights, and develops and enhances their peaceful struggle to be able to govern themselves in a multicultural, democratic society.” They describe themselves as libertarian socialists, a minority faction within the worldwide socialist movement that rejects one-party rule and authoritarian state control of the economy.

They also ascribe to what they call Communalism, a set of ideas put forth by Abdullah Ocalan, founder of Turkey’s Kurdistan Worker’s Party (PKK). It is here that the YPG gets itself into trouble with Turkey.

Ocalan founded the PKK in 1978 as a Kurdish nationalist separatist movement and a Marxist-Leninist insurgency. Like nearly all communist guerrilla armies—from Peru’s Shining Path to the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia—it was inherently prone to terrorism. While primarily striking Turkish soldiers and police officers, the group has also committed a number of attacks against civilian targets, including a car bomb in Ankara last March that killed dozens and wounded more than 100 and a suicide attack in Istanbul’s Taksim Square in 2010.

The so-called Kurdistan Freedom Hawks (TAK) take credit for some of the worst attacks against Turkey. Experts disagree about whether or not the TAK is linked to the PKK, but at the very least it’s a breakaway faction and is far more linked to the PKK than the YPG in Syria is.

In 1999, Ocalan was arrested in Kenya by Turkish intelligence officers, swiftly dispatched to Turkey and sentenced to death. He’s still alive, though, because Turkey abolished the death penalty, hoping that would boost its chances of being admitted to the European Union. Today Ocalan languishes on Imrali, a penal island in the Sea of Marmara.

While in prison, Ocalan watered down his communist ideology into the so-called libertarian socialism that it is now. And it is this ideology, not the old school quasi-Stalinist one of the PKK’s past, that the YPG adheres to today.

The PKK still behaves as a terrorist organization. Old habits from the 1970s don’t go down easily. The YPG, though, didn’t even exist until 2003. It never went through a communist or a terrorist phase, and it takes its inspiration from the milder version Ocalan promoted after he mellowed in prison.

The YPG is asking for trouble by borrowing anything at all from Abdullah Ocalan, but it has never committed an act of terrorism in Syria or anywhere else, not even at a time when terrorist attacks are as routine as weather in Syria. So while, yes, the YPG and the PKK are ideologically linked, the Turkish government has never been able to identify a single act of terrorism the YPG has ever committed, not in Turkey, not in Syria, nor anywhere else.

One can understand why the YPG gets Erdogan’s hackles up, but gunning for these people makes no more sense than bombing South Africa in the early 1990s because then-President Nelson Mandela used to be a communist, neverminding that his party, the African National Congress, did not even attempt to build a communist state after winning elections.

Whatever you think of the “libertarian socialism” of Syrian Kurdistan, it’s not even in the same time zone as the medieval totalitarianism of ISIS, the secular nationalist tyranny of Assad’s Arab Socialist Baath Party regime in Damascus or the Putin-esque rule of the neo-Ottoman Erdogan.

Turkey can call the Kurds terrorists all they want, but that will not make them so.

 
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Dispatches
Michael J. Totten


No, the Syrian Kurds are not Terrorists

31 January 2018




On January 20, Turkey invaded the Kurdish region of northwestern Syria to destroy what it calls a terrorist army. No, it is not fighting ISIS. It is, quite the contrary, fighting the American-backed militia that effectively destroyed ISIS and helped liberate the city of Raqqa last October.

According to Turkey’s increasingly authoritarian President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, the Kurdish People’s Protection Units (YPG) are a terrorist organization backed by the United States. That sentence right there ought to be enough to make you doubt what Erdogan is selling right now, but perhaps you aren’t sure. Few in the West know much about the YPG. Most Americans have not even heard of it. And if all a person knows about it is that it’s an armed group in Syria, of all places, that a NATO ally calls a terrorist organization, well…Syria is full of terrorists, isn’t it?

Syria is indeed full of terrorists, but the YPG is one of the few armed factions in the war that adheres to moral Western warfighting norms. It’s also one of the precious few factions that’s genuinely pro-Western.

The YPG is backed by the Pentagon and 2,000 American soldiers as part of Washington’s plan to effectively control 28 percent of Syrian territory so that ISIS cannot come back. It’s mostly made up of ethnic Kurds, although there are Arab, Assyrian Christian and foreign fighters mixed into the ranks, including women in the Women’s Protection Units. They are the armed wing of the Democratic Union Party, founded in 2003.

Their ideology isn’t Islamist. It’s leftist. They champion, in their own words, “social equality, justice and the freedom of belief” along with “pluralism and the freedom of political parties.” They hope to implement “a democratic solution that includes the recognition of cultural, national and political rights, and develops and enhances their peaceful struggle to be able to govern themselves in a multicultural, democratic society.” They describe themselves as libertarian socialists, a minority faction within the worldwide socialist movement that rejects one-party rule and authoritarian state control of the economy.

They also ascribe to what they call Communalism, a set of ideas put forth by Abdullah Ocalan, founder of Turkey’s Kurdistan Worker’s Party (PKK). It is here that the YPG gets itself into trouble with Turkey.

Ocalan founded the PKK in 1978 as a Kurdish nationalist separatist movement and a Marxist-Leninist insurgency. Like nearly all communist guerrilla armies—from Peru’s Shining Path to the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia—it was inherently prone to terrorism. While primarily striking Turkish soldiers and police officers, the group has also committed a number of attacks against civilian targets, including a car bomb in Ankara last March that killed dozens and wounded more than 100 and a suicide attack in Istanbul’s Taksim Square in 2010.

The so-called Kurdistan Freedom Hawks (TAK) take credit for some of the worst attacks against Turkey. Experts disagree about whether or not the TAK is linked to the PKK, but at the very least it’s a breakaway faction and is far more linked to the PKK than the YPG in Syria is.

In 1999, Ocalan was arrested in Kenya by Turkish intelligence officers, swiftly dispatched to Turkey and sentenced to death. He’s still alive, though, because Turkey abolished the death penalty, hoping that would boost its chances of being admitted to the European Union. Today Ocalan languishes on Imrali, a penal island in the Sea of Marmara.

While in prison, Ocalan watered down his communist ideology into the so-called libertarian socialism that it is now. And it is this ideology, not the old school quasi-Stalinist one of the PKK’s past, that the YPG adheres to today.

The PKK still behaves as a terrorist organization. Old habits from the 1970s don’t go down easily. The YPG, though, didn’t even exist until 2003. It never went through a communist or a terrorist phase, and it takes its inspiration from the milder version Ocalan promoted after he mellowed in prison.

The YPG is asking for trouble by borrowing anything at all from Abdullah Ocalan, but it has never committed an act of terrorism in Syria or anywhere else, not even at a time when terrorist attacks are as routine as weather in Syria. So while, yes, the YPG and the PKK are ideologically linked, the Turkish government has never been able to identify a single act of terrorism the YPG has ever committed, not in Turkey, not in Syria, nor anywhere else.

One can understand why the YPG gets Erdogan’s hackles up, but gunning for these people makes no more sense than bombing South Africa in the early 1990s because then-President Nelson Mandela used to be a communist, neverminding that his party, the African National Congress, did not even attempt to build a communist state after winning elections.

Whatever you think of the “libertarian socialism” of Syrian Kurdistan, it’s not even in the same time zone as the medieval totalitarianism of ISIS, the secular nationalist tyranny of Assad’s Arab Socialist Baath Party regime in Damascus or the Putin-esque rule of the neo-Ottoman Erdogan.

Turkey can call the Kurds terrorists all they want, but that will not make them so.
 
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