PK 18 Battlefield Rifle , SMG PK 21 (AK-103) and PK-10 are way forward

[YeBeWarned]

Yes G-3 will stay, of course, it has is own role in the section level!



It's not about new or old, it's about training, numbers, tactical role, infrastructure the same why MG-3 cant be replaced!

In a section level of 10-15 men every Soldier has his own role with a specific weapon/rifle, like I explained thousand times in the past, one is gunner with MG-3, one is a sniper with Steyer, one is the better shooter on long distance with G-3, the other takes everything down which is close under 200 metres with AK or Type-59, the youngest or the Captain will play the leading from the front role with PK-18.....

Type 59 Chinese clone did wonders in FATA operations , it worked for SSG when they move in teams against a target, some of them carry type 59's and some M4A1's alone with of course sniper and LMG's .

 

[merzifonlu]

Direct Impingement System for PK 18? Not a wise decision.

 

[Sunny4pak]

It is copy of AR-10 rifle,taking H&K G3 Mags.
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PA has failed to find subsitute for it simply.Newer weapons have hight cost but they don't bring anything new to table,except for fancy rails and optics.

Thoroughly Agreed with you Sir.

 

[fitpOsitive]

If AK-103 is confirmed, than choosing AK-103 seems a good decision from many many aspects(these are just my thoughts, don't call me names for that ). But I am wondering why not AK-107 or later guns were no chosen? I mean these rifles are more "balanced" and give better balancing(barrel movement, Mussel rise, recoil etc).. And Its the same AK series and the provider is also the same country.
Any thoughts @Path-Finder @Starlord @Zarvan

 

[Path-Finder]

If AK-103 is confirmed, than choosing AK-103 seems a good decision from many many aspects(these are just my thoughts, don't call me names for that ). But I am wondering why not AK-107 or later guns were no chosen? I mean these rifles are more "balanced" and give better balancing(barrel movement, Mussel rise, recoil etc).. And Its the same AK series and the provider is also the same country.
Any thoughts @Path-Finder @Starlord @Zarvan

refer to post 168.

 

[Zarvan]

If AK-103 is confirmed, than choosing AK-103 seems a good decision from many many aspects(these are just my thoughts, don't call me names for that ). But I am wondering why not AK-107 or later guns were no chosen? I mean these rifles are more "balanced" and give better balancing(barrel movement, Mussel rise, recoil etc).. And Its the same AK series and the provider is also the same country.
Any thoughts @Path-Finder @Starlord @Zarvan

If we are going forward with AK 103 than in my opinion we should not instead we should go for the upgraded version which India also has selected called AK-203. Also we should produce AK-200 series not just AK 203. AK 200 series include 5.56 x 45 caliber version also.

Also in case of PK 18 if it passes all tests we should also produce 5.56 X 45 version of it.

@Path-Finder

 

[Path-Finder]

If we are going forward with AK 103 than in my opinion we should not instead we should go for the upgraded version which India also has selected called AK-203. Also we should produce AK-200 series not just AK 203. AK 200 series include 5.56 x 45 caliber version also.

Also in case of PK 18 if it passes all tests we should also produce 5.56 X 45 version of it.

@Path-Finder

mufakir other than the rail, stock and grip on the 203 there is no major change. its internals which matter the most is exactly the same as AK-47! unless a major improvement is made which is not necessary because it works so well. so Hazrat @Zarvan 203 just has modern furnishing but its performance is not ahead of Ak103!

 

[YeBeWarned]

If AK-103 is confirmed, than choosing AK-103 seems a good decision from many many aspects(these are just my thoughts, don't call me names for that ). But I am wondering why not AK-107 or later guns were no chosen? I mean these rifles are more "balanced" and give better balancing(barrel movement, Mussel rise, recoil etc).. And Its the same AK series and the provider is also the same country.
Any thoughts @Path-Finder @Starlord @Zarvan

the details will be kept under strict covers, until next year Ideas for what i see .. if @Gryphon is right with his source than it might be a upgraded version of AK-103 which will be built on the specification for PA, it doesn't matter if the model is new or old but what matter is how it perform under harsh conditions of Pakistan . we have type 56 and AK and G3 old models and still working perfect .

 

[khanasifm]

Type 59 Chinese clone did wonders in FATA operations , it worked for SSG when they move in teams against a target, some of them carry type 59's and some M4A1's alone with of course sniper and LMG's .

You mean type 56 ? type 59 is mbt unless you were referring to mbt

 

[bananarepublic]

mufakir other than the rail, stock and grip on the 203 there is no major change. its internals which matter the most is exactly the same as AK-47! unless a major improvement is made which is not necessary because it works so well. so Hazrat @Zarvan 203 just has modern furnishing but its performance is not ahead of Ak103!

Internals of AK-47 along with AKM differ considerably to AK-103/AK-12 etc
While the AK-103 is the baseline version on which all major russian AK variants are built..
Considering the movement of major western small arms procurement is towards short stroke gas piston system , we should also look into it.

I believe the newly introduced Chinese rifle also uses the same system... Not confirmed though.

 

[Path-Finder]

Internals of AK-47 along with AKM differ considerably to AK-103/AK-12 etc

how?

 

[Sine Nomine]

Internals of AK-47 along with AKM differ considerably to AK-103/AK-12 etc
While the AK-103 is the baseline version on which all major russian AK variants are built..
Considering the movement of major western small arms procurement is towards short stroke gas piston system , we should also look into it.

I believe the newly introduced Chinese rifle also uses the same system... Not confirmed though.

All AK varients are internally same,Rotating bolt 2 lugs and LSGP,except for minor changes and often difference in manufacturing tech there is no change.Only Ak-107 is changed which employs "balanced" operating system for better control.
SSGP has been around since early 20th century.It saw widespread use in form of SVT-40,M-1 carbine and SKS during ww2.

 

[Zapper]

If we are going forward with AK 103 than in my opinion we should not instead we should go for the upgraded version which India also has selected called AK-203. Also we should produce AK-200 series not just AK 203. AK 200 series include 5.56 x 45 caliber version also.

Also in case of PK 18 if it passes all tests we should also produce 5.56 X 45 version of it.

@Path-Finder

Have y'all considered the AK-15 which is still better than both AK-103/203 even though slightly expensive. It is the latest in terms of ground up development at Kalashnikov.

AK 15

• Has better improved trigger.
• Has better free floating hand guard.
• Has better iron sights ,rear aperture with windage adjustment and front sight placed on the gas block.
• Has better fixed gas tube,which removes the wobble on upper hand guard rail and can be cleaned easily by removal of a plug in front.
• Has better muzzle brake,which helps to keep the rifle more stable while shooting.
• Has two round burst mode.

Another important point why AK 15 make more sense is because AK 12 and AK 15 have been adopted by Russian army,so they will probably see constant upgrade throughout their life cycle. For your information development work for new ambidextrous selector lever,new improved sights,new stock and handguard is already underway at Kalashnikov for these rifles,which will materialize on the new batches of these rifle,once the development is completed and would have at-least the option of implementing the development carried out by Kalashnikov in future. So in simple terms AK 12/AK 15 seem to be having better product support and development cycle than the AK 203

 

[YeBeWarned]

You mean type 56 ? type 59 is mbt unless you were referring to mbt

yes type 56 , sorry ..

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

Horus the taking G3 mag part is excellent, millions of magazines already in ordinance logistical depots won't have to be replaced driving costs down meaning much quicker replacement


To be honest quwa, for a indigenous design , especially a modular ar15 based one like this, making x39 and 5.56 variants shouldn't be that hard ,
I believe optics should be the next step so foreign customers can be offered compete packages,

In thinking about the DI system, do you think the Army will tell POF to make a new version with a short-stroke piston system? It doesn't look like the Army is in a rush to induct these, so POF can step back and keep working on the PK18?