PK 18 Battlefield Rifle , SMG PK 21 (AK-103) and PK-10 are way forward

[gangsta_rap]

Caliber is the same? really? you are just digging the hole deeper

I made the same mistake, thought that the AK103 used NATO 7.62 since its an export rifle
Had too look the caliber up....

 

[Path-Finder]

Likely to position it as a SMG-like solution. Reduce the length/'wieldiness' or weight without shortening the barrel, basically. I'm sure a proper stock could be made available if asked upon, not a big deal to add.

@Foxtrot Alpha

Is it our fault that POF didn't get the CZ or SCAR? Lol!

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[Gryphon]

@HRK @Path-Finder @Starlord @waz @Khafee @The Eagle @Horus @Signalian @Inception-06 @TF141 @Reichsmarschall

Three days back, I asked a guy with first-hand knowledge of the rifle program about the PK-21 - whether it was an AK-103 variant with manufacturing rights acquired by POF.

In response, he said that the PK-21 isn't an AK-103 variant at all, its a [POF] copy of the AKMS assault rifle.

I inquired more, but the response is being withheld for an appropriate time.

 

[Sine Nomine]

@HRK @Path-Finder @Starlord @waz @Khafee @The Eagle @Horus @Signalian @Inception-06 @TF141 @Reichsmarschall

Three days back, I asked a guy with first-hand knowledge of the rifle program about the PK-21 - whether it was an AK-103 variant with manufacturing rights acquired by POF.

In response, he said that the PK-21 isn't an AK-103 variant at all, its a [POF] copy of the AKMS assault rifle.

I inquired more, but the response is being withheld for an appropriate time.

It's a good rifle.

 

[Signalian]

@HRK @Path-Finder @Starlord @waz @Khafee @The Eagle @Horus @Signalian @Inception-06 @TF141 @Reichsmarschall

Three days back, I asked a guy with first-hand knowledge of the rifle program about the PK-21 - whether it was an AK-103 variant with manufacturing rights acquired by POF.

In response, he said that the PK-21 isn't an AK-103 variant at all, its a [POF] copy of the AKMS assault rifle.

I inquired more, but the response is being withheld for an appropriate time.

G-3 is here to stay

 

[Zarvan]

G-3 is here to stay

I doubt it. The PK 18 is totally new rifle even magazine are new. We are ready to get rid of G3 if not foreign than this local new Rifle would come but something will replace G3.

 

[Signalian]

I doubt it. The PK 18 is totally new rifle even magazine are new. We are ready to get rid of G3 if not foreign than this local new Rifle would come but something will replace G3.

Pk18 maybe new, G-3 is staying.

 

[Path-Finder]

@HRK @Path-Finder @Starlord @waz @Khafee @The Eagle @Horus @Signalian @Inception-06 @TF141 @Reichsmarschall

Three days back, I asked a guy with first-hand knowledge of the rifle program about the PK-21 - whether it was an AK-103 variant with manufacturing rights acquired by POF.

In response, he said that the PK-21 isn't an AK-103 variant at all, its a [POF] copy of the AKMS assault rifle.

I inquired more, but the response is being withheld for an appropriate time.

a new twist in the story.

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

I can't see the average jawan ditch their G-3s for at least another 15-20 years. If the PA intends to phase in the PK18, it'd do it slowly with new recruits first and let it gradually phase out the G-3 (with the G-3 leaving as people retire). Near term, the PK18 is probably going to SOFs and LCBs.

 

[Gryphon]

Near term, the PK18 is probably going to SOFs and LCBs.

I don't know where that came from but one thing is clear - SOFs/LCBs aren't moving to a 7.62 NATO battle rifle when the shift towards M4 and AK variants has already occured.

a new twist in the story.

Looking at how POF copied the AKMS & for some reasons put AK-103 tag on it, I won't be surprised if the PK-18 turns out to be a 100% copy of an AR-type rifle sold by a low-key Western manufacturer.

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

Our SOFs prefer to fight light and agile from what I've seen instead of packing on tons of stuff like US or EU SOF guys. So maybe that's why they like 556 and russian 762

I don't know where that came from but one thing is clear - SOFs/LCBs aren't moving to a 7.62 NATO battle rifle when the shift towards M4 and AK variants has already occured.

 

[YeBeWarned]

Pk18 maybe new, G-3 is staying.

G3's can be transferred to our Local police and LEA's .. PK-18 seems like a average effort to minimize the cost of locally produce a standard rifle like SCAR .

@HRK @Path-Finder @Starlord @waz @Khafee @The Eagle @Horus @Signalian @Inception-06 @TF141 @Reichsmarschall

Three days back, I asked a guy with first-hand knowledge of the rifle program about the PK-21 - whether it was an AK-103 variant with manufacturing rights acquired by POF.

In response, he said that the PK-21 isn't an AK-103 variant at all, its a [POF] copy of the AKMS assault rifle.

I inquired more, but the response is being withheld for an appropriate time.

It remind me of the time when i went for the interview at Arms and ammo depo in Karachi , while i was waiting for the Kernel shahab to finish his lunch and Namaz , there were some Major ranked officers waiting for day briefing, I was talking to them about so many G3's been carried around , all in all his response on g3 was satisfactory but the major said when it comes to battles his weapon of choice would be AK .

 

[Sine Nomine]

PK-18 turns out to be a 100% copy of an AR-type rifle sold by a low-key Western manufacturer.

It is copy of AR-10 rifle,taking H&K G3 Mags.

I can't see the average jawan ditch their G-3s for at least another 15-20 years. If the PA intends to phase in the PK18, it'd do it slowly with new recruits first and let it gradually phase out the G-3 (with the G-3 leaving as people retire). Near term, the PK18 is probably going to SOFs and LCBs.

PA has failed to find subsitute for it simply.Newer weapons have hight cost but they don't bring anything new to table,except for fancy rails and optics.

 

[Inception-06]

Pk18 maybe new, G-3 is staying.

Yes G-3 will stay, of course, it has is own role in the section level!

I doubt it. The PK 18 is totally new rifle even magazine are new. We are ready to get rid of G3 if not foreign than this local new Rifle would come but something will replace G3.

It's not about new or old, it's about training, numbers, tactical role, infrastructure the same why MG-3 cant be replaced!

In a section level of 10-15 men every Soldier has his own role with a specific weapon/rifle, like I explained thousand times in the past, one is gunner with MG-3, one is a sniper with Steyer, one is the better shooter on long distance with G-3, the other takes everything down which is close under 200 metres with AK or Type-59, the youngest or the Captain will play the leading from the front role with PK-18.....

 

[The Terminator]

Considering PK 18 is a good step forward but the Direct Impingement system fouls that all. Even the pioneer of that D.I system are transitioning away from that to short stroke gas piston systems such as FN SCAR and HK416 which are probably the most favorite rifles in the western world. IMHO PK18 is a very good copy of AR-15/M-4 platform just swap its upper receiver and you may probably get a much reliable and one of the best rifles in the world, comparable to FN SCAR/HK416/HK-417 etc. And also make it multi caliber platform with variants of short, standard and long DMR barrels and lightweight machine gun variant too.

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/introducing-armys-new-m5-rifle-or-what-it-should-look-39197