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PK: 10 more state units picked for privatisation

Do you agree with the privatisation of these 10 state entities?


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In Pakistan government owned companies corruption is a way of life.

Try doing corruption in UAE and see what happens. In China the punishment for corruption is a bullet to the head, which the convicted criminal pays for through earnings in prison labour.

Putin will skin you alive if your corruption impacts national security or before it ever reaches the limits of Pakistani corruption.

In Pakistan there is no punishment for theft and corruption at the highest level. In a country where the prime minister and the president, along with their families and friends stole billions over many decades, a government owned company is a bad idea.

Once you hang Nawaz Sharif Butt and Zardari for their economic terrorism and bring their cronies to justice, then Pakistani government owned companies will make profits too. That too profits you cannot imagine!

Most of the problems facing Pakistan today have a simple solution, the cost of which is two bullets and a firing squad.
 
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Yeah Much Better Than Wasting 70000 Crore on PSU Banks Like Your Modi :rofl::rofl::rofl:




We Are Now Going To Ask For Our Remaining $800 Million For PTCL If They Refuse Simply Takeover.Also Cancel Their Hunting Licenses.It Is Time These Arabs Are Shown Their Place.

Just For Good Measure Let Us Recognize Abu Musa and Tunb Islands As Iranian and Start IP Gas Pipeline
yep, show them their place after they literally bailed out pakistan... be thank u grateful people... maybw then you will get some where... blame urselfs for ur situation all these gulf countries helped us big time..
 
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In Pakistan government owned companies corruption is a way of life.

Try doing corruption in UAE and see what happens. In China the punishment for corruption is a bullet to the head, which the convicted criminal pays for through earnings in prison labour.

Putin will skin you alive if your corruption impacts national security or before it ever reaches the limits of Pakistani corruption.

In Pakistan there is no punishment for theft and corruption at the highest level. In a country where the prime minister and the president, along with their families and friends stole billions over many decades, a government owned company is a bad idea.

Once you hang Nawaz Sharif Butt and Zardari for their economic terrorism and bring their cronies to justice, then Pakistani government owned companies will make profits too. That too profits you cannot imagine!

Most of the problems facing Pakistan today have a simple solution, the cost of which is two bullets and a firing squad.

my friend, i work in the corporate pvt sector.

there is no magic wand with us in the pvt sector who can miraculously turn around an ailing govt company .

doesnt work


solution,= you said it yourself, kill the bugger who does corruption. period . selling a state asset isnt the answer.

and yes, state assets privatization is another farce . generally, its the politicians buying them anyway with their front men ( eg, Mansha buying MCB)
 
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selling a state asset isnt the answer.

and yes, state assets privatization is another farce . generally, its the politicians buying them anyway with their front men ( eg, Mansha buying MCB)

Bingo nailed it in one sentence, see the privatization process/divestment process is appointment of a financial advisory consultant we know how that works and what they do is "advise" the govt on the "fair market value" of the share, few road shows, some high profile meetings, media campaign, photo sessions and they will charge just a few million dollars for the "advisory" the buyers will be mystery.

Point in case is OGDCL and PPL both of which have been trading way below FMV, dividend yield is excellent if I would to sell their shares all I have to do is speak with franklin templeton or Dr. Mobius they will purchase these shares without all above hassles but why the hell, how will Govt cronies buy them? how the companies of friends will make money if they are not appointed as "advisers" besides why shouldn't they be sold now when they are trading way below even book value, this opportunity will not arise for another 8-10 years. Who in their right mind sells a PSE share when it is trading above book value. and besides both are now going to book losses of 25-40 million dollars owing to Kekra 1 failed project, so best time to buy them oh sorry sell them. Sarcasm intended.

BTW: Mansha purchased MCB with MCB's own money that was the premise of FIA case against Mansha, but you know he didn't invest 15 billion on certain PTI people in last years general election for nothing. And I am not a supporter of any political party they are nothing but parasites.
 
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my friend, i work in the corporate pvt sector.

there is no magic wand with us in the pvt sector who can miraculously turn around an ailing govt company .

doesnt work


solution,= you said it yourself, kill the bugger who does corruption. period . selling a state asset isnt the answer.

and yes, state assets privatization is another farce . generally, its the politicians buying them anyway with their front men ( eg, Mansha buying MCB)

Agreed.

I should have said that in my post. Unless there is a deadly punishment for corruption, there isn't going to be any change. The corrupt people both in the government as well as the private sector will find ways to commit their crime even if everything in Pakistan is privatised.

The Pakistani state needs to use its biggest sticks, stones, guns, gallows and darkest prison sells on those who were in charge of running things in the last few decades.

Believe me, the moment Pakistani state hangs the first biggest thief and puts his/her cronies in the darkest prison cells for their subsequent turns, the whole country will become corruption free overnight.

People really underestimate how much Pakistanis fear the law once they see it in action. It is just that the average thief, as well as the biggest thieves like Nawaz Sharif Butt and Zardari don't expect any harsh reaction and actually believe they can easily get away.

My hunch is that the Pakistani state will eventually buy back these companies. For now the plan is to privatise things and let people's greed for profit reduce and kill corruption.

A corrupt clerk working at a government owned store in Pakistan will have no fear stealing because he knows he IS the government. But if he tries that at a private store the owner will skin him alive. Basically that is as simple as it gets.

For now the Pakistani state is focused on achieving peace in Afghanistan. Everything else is on the back-burner.

I am seeing massive amounts of hangings in Pakistan soon. But for now, as stated above, the Pakistani state is focused on peace in Afghanistan.
 
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Bingo nailed it in one sentence, see the privatization process/divestment process is appointment of a financial advisory consultant we know how that works and what they do is "advise" the govt on the "fair market value" of the share, few road shows, some high profile meetings, media campaign, photo sessions and they will charge just a few million dollars for the "advisory" the buyers will be mystery.

Point in case is OGDCL and PPL both of which have been trading way below FMV, dividend yield is excellent if I would to sell their shares all I have to do is speak with franklin templeton or Dr. Mobius they will purchase these shares without all above hassles but why the hell, how will Govt cronies buy them? how the companies of friends will make money if they are not appointed as "advisers" besides why shouldn't they be sold now when they are trading way below even book value, this opportunity will not arise for another 8-10 years. Who in their right mind sells a PSE share when it is trading above book value. and besides both are now going to book losses of 25-40 million dollars owing to Kekra 1 failed project, so best time to buy them oh sorry sell them. Sarcasm intended.

BTW: Mansha purchased MCB with MCB's own money that was the premise of FIA case against Mansha, but you know he didn't invest 15 billion on certain PTI people in last years general election for nothing. And I am not a supporter of any political party they are nothing but parasites.


some old guy , i met on the plane to karachi , used to work for morgan stanley chase . he at a certain time worked for a Rothschild advisory company which advised BB govt in the 90s about privatization.

according to him, im not sure what he exactly said, they advised the govt that when you are selling a state asset, the mkt value is just the land value of an asset. rest is all ' junk ' .

remember Pakistan steel privatization ? it was sold ( almost about to ) for just the value of land . maybe that old smart *** was right .
 
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some old guy , i met on the plane to karachi , used to work for morgan stanley chase . he at a certain time worked for a Rothschild advisory company which advised BB govt in the 90s about privatization.

according to him, im not sure what he exactly said, they advised the govt that when you are selling a state asset, the mkt value is just the land value of an asset. rest is all ' junk ' .

remember Pakistan steel privatization ? it was sold ( almost about to ) for just the value of land . maybe that old smart *** was right .

O na bhai, the adviser is pre-selected despite any advertisement, they will give advisory as per requirement of decision maker, like privatization of PTCL by Hafeez Sheikh and the advisers, that on purchase of 26-27% shares of PTCL management will be transferred to Etisalat along all properties, strangely PTCL is the largest property owner after Pakistan Railways, no mention in the agreement that those land s cannot be sold by Etisalat, but that's how it works. BTW the Govt did not transfer all properties to Etisalat, so they did not pay the aqusition amount but they have been managing PTCL for over a decade and earning profit without paying GoP, but hell with it they are our brothers any legal action and they will cancel our Iqamah's. This would be the only example in the world where an entity takes over Public Company of another country with token money, defaulted on their commitment to pay full amount and yet allowed for a major share in profits and hefty payments of salaries to foreign executives mostly incompetent arabs on top of it allowed for repatriation of profits.

Small footnote is that his brother had been gloating afterwards that after PTCL deal Hafeez Sheikh do not have to do anything in 7 lives ever again.
 
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10 more state units picked for privatisation

Shahbaz Rana

August 27, 2019

ISLAMABAD:

The Privatisation Commission (PC) board on Monday agreed to initiate the process of privatising 10 more entities including three power sector and two blue-chip firms and gave directives for the recovery of Rs142 billion worth of dues.

The board gave the go-ahead for hiring financial advisers to privatise two blue-chip oil and gas exploration firms, three power generation companies, two financial institutions, and two engineering companies, according to an official of the Ministry of Privatisation.

With the decision, the active privatisation list swelled to 17, which during the tenure of the previous Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N) government comprised 65 entities, but the current Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) government cut it down to seven in October last year.

“The board has approved the initiation of privatisation process of 10 entities and expressions of interest for hiring financial advisers will be invited within 48 hours,” Privatisation Secretary Rizwan Malik told The Express Tribune after a marathon board meeting.

The PTI government had largely shelved the privatisation plan but there was a change of heart after the appointment of Adviser to Prime Minister on Finance Dr Abdul Hafeez Shaikh, who pushed the government to sell state-owned entities.

A report of the State Bank of Pakistan (SBP) last week showed that the debt of public sector enterprises (PSEs) increased 47% to Rs2.1 trillion within one year, ending June 30, 2019.

Headed by Privatisation Minister Mohammadmian Soomro, the PC board also discussed a receivable committee report, which called for fast-tracking the recovery of nearly Rs142 billion on account of 14 privatisation transactions. A legal committee was set up to find ways to recover these dues as some parties had challenged the government’s claims in courts.

The PC board’s receivable committee has identified Rs142 billion worth of dues to be paid by buyers of government entities. The maximum amount of Rs137 billion had been outstanding against Etisalat on account of divestment of 26% stake of Pakistan Telecommunication Company Limited (PTCL) and Rs8.9 billion of withheld dividends.

The committee also found that the Privatisation Commission in the past did not fully disclose its receivables. For instance, Rs137.7 million worth of dues from Trust Investment Bank Limited were not shown in the books.

The issue of Etisalat dues has remained pending for the past more than 10 years. Finance Adviser Shaikh, in his capacity as privatisation minister in 2006, had signed a revised sale-purchase agreement with Etisalat, which involved the transfer of properties in the name of PTCL.

The board approved the expansion of the active privatisation list by adding 10 more entities. PC had requested the board to approve the privatisation of Pakistan Re-Insurance Corporation, Pakistan Petroleum Limited (PPL), Gujranwala Electric Power Company (Gepco), Nandipur Power Plant, Guddu Power Plant, First Women Bank Limited, House Building Finance Corporation (HBFC), Pakistan Engineering Company (Peco), Heavy Electrical Complex (HEC) and Sindh Engineering Limited.

The board did not approve Peco, Gepco and Pakistan Re-Insurance Corporation for privatisation. Gepco was dropped on the request of Power Division.

Instead, the board approved the start of privatisation process for Oil and Gas Development Company and Kot Adu Power Plant.

Early this month, the Cabinet Committee on Privatisation (CCOP) directed the PC to select any 10 public sector enterprises from the privatisation list approved by the CCOP in October 2018 for privatisation.

The PC board also approved the initiation of the process for privatisation of 425-megawatt Nandipur Power Plant and 747MW Guddu Power Plant.

The PML-N government had abandoned the privatisation of power companies in November 2015, which was also followed by the PTI government. The last government had entered into financial advisory service agreements to privatise over 12 power-sector companies, which cost the kitty more than Rs1.7 billion without achieving anything.

The board also approved the privatisation of PPL in which the government currently holds 67.5% shares. The company’s market capitalisation is estimated at Rs271 billion at the closing share price of Rs119.5 as on August 23, 2019, the board was informed.

However, the PPL in the past had been struck off the list after provinces raised constitutional issues about the oil and gas sector after the 18th Constitution Amendment.

The board was informed about the legal hindrances in privatisation of Peco due to a 2011 pending inquiry of NAB. The inquiry is being delayed due to pressure exerted by Karachi-based industrialists, said the sources. The board dropped Peco from the list.

Peco was on the privatisation list and despite the then government’s instructions not to dilute its direct or indirect shareholding, the National Investment Trust (NIT) offloaded its 1.18 million shares, which reduced the government’s shareholding to 33.25% and private shareholding increased to 66.75%.

In 2008, the Public Accounts Committee took up the matter of divestment of Peco shares by NIT and referred the case to NAB for investigation in 2011. The matter is still under consideration of NAB.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/2042873/2-10-state-units-picked-privatisation/
Our Prophet PBUH stated that "trade is not for Govt. Govt must sale all units share upto 25% and let handle private parties to handle it and all these unit will start making money and in few years Pakistan will recover all money. Sale them with agreement that they will pay all debits and till then they can have 10% profit only and upon paid all debit they will have 25% profit from that unit
 
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O na bhai, the adviser is pre-selected despite any advertisement, they will give advisory as per requirement of decision maker, like privatization of PTCL by Hafeez Sheikh and the advisers, that on purchase of 26-27% shares of PTCL management will be transferred to Etisalat along all properties, strangely PTCL is the largest property owner after Pakistan Railways, no mention in the agreement that those land s cannot be sold by Etisalat, but that's how it works. BTW the Govt did not transfer all properties to Etisalat, so they did not pay the aqusition amount but they have been managing PTCL for over a decade and earning profit with paying GoP, but hell with it they are our brothers any legal action and they will cancel our Iqamah's.

Small footnote is that his brother had been gloating afterwards that after PTCL deal Hafeez Sheikh do not have to do anything in 7 lives ever again.



are you buying PSX on dip ? or waiting for more deep correction., ?

i dont see enough blood yet
 
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are you buying PSX on dip ? or waiting for more deep correction., ?

i dont see enough blood yet

Nope market already trading at 5.5 P/E, P/B is @0.8 and a dividend yield of 11.7% (as of today 30th August closing), according to my theory wont be seeing these valuation again at-least for another decade.

Sold four properties and "advised" my non-dependent better half to buy and hold a portfolio mix of dividend paying and capital gains shares. Don't see market going below 27 unless there is a major negative trigger like a war, something big.

Not seeing a major upside before H2 CY2021.

Bloodbath he he, ask those who took positions at 52k or 45k or 38k.

In the international arena out of gold now and into silver again big time @$9/oz (2006) and (13.xx$) in 2015.
 
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i dont think so its 100% privitized, they sold 49% of it, if i am not wrong.

As of 2017, the Abraaj Group and Aljomaih/NIG have a 66.4% stake in KE; the Government of Pakistan’s shareholding stands at 24.36%.
 
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Government retained a stake of approximately 26%, while 71% was transferred to the foreign consortium.

As of 2017, the Abraaj Group and Aljomaih/NIG have a 66.4% stake in KE; the Government of Pakistan’s shareholding stands at 24.36%.

this abraaj group is good for nothing. we need new stakeholders.
 
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