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A homeless Pakistani Christian throws sand onto his head during a protest in Islamabad. The protest was held to denounce a police raid on more than 300 Christian families residing in tented camps on the outskirts of Islamabad, where they were living illegally for about a year AFP/Farooq NAEEM
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Kashmiris with Pakistani flags.
Kashmiris head to the "Martyrs Graveyard" in Srinagar in Indian-administered Kashmir amid a strike called to remember the deaths of two key separatist figures.
Wise up, that is not necessarily the "Pakistani Flag".
That is the Islamic flag/banner that many Kashmiris commonly wave, which by the way happens to resemble the "Pakistani flag" due to the crescent moon and green coloring, but notice there is no white vertical strip at the left of the flag, which would indicate it to be an official and completely distinct Pakistani flag.
You can see similar Islamic flags/banners being held below by Kashmiris. These are the same Islamic banners, some may have small variations.
This happens to be the exact same flag seen in your photo.
Kashmiri children wrapped in a flag symbolizing Islam, shout anti-India slogans at a martyr's graveyard in Srinagar, India, Sunday, July 13, 2008. Police fired live ammunition in the air and used tear gas to disperse thousands of protesters who attacked pro-Indian political activists during a memorial ceremony Sunday in the main city of Indian-controlled Kashmir, police said.
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Now here is a Kashmiri Muslim holding the Pakistani Flag.
Same here, Kashmiri holding Pak flag in protest...
Now what does this tell us, if the Kashmiris want to hold a Pakistani flag, the flag always contains a vertical white strip at the left side of the green and crescent moon & star. If they simply choose to wave a flag symbolizing Islam or Islamic Kashmir they will hold a solid green flag with Crescent moon & star, sometimes containing Islamic slogans...
Understand without that vertical left white strip, you cannot officially consider the flags in the picture you displayed "Pakistani flag". The importance of that vertical white strip makes any other green solid flag with a Crescent moon & star a uniquely "Pakistani Flag" without it, it can be a flag symbolizing Islam. I'm more than sure the Kashmiris know the difference.
I'm not in anyway implying Kashmiris don't wave the Pakistani flag, they do, but many times they just wave a flag symbolizing Islam or an Islamic Kashmir.
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The early Pakistan flag was without a white strip
The green flag with Crescent Moon & Star is not an exclusively "Pakistani flag", a lot of Kashmiris wave this flag symbolizing Islam not necessarily "Pakistan".
Also when you say "early" Pakistan flag, you failed to provide any date of time line that your talking about. As of August 11, 1947 the official national flag of Pakistan has always contained the vertical left white strip. So what "early" flag are you suggesting.... (rhetorical)
Again the flag in the photos you see are not necessarily or exclusively "Pakistani flags" just because they resemble or have the green coloring and Crescent moon & Star does not mean its a Pakistani flags. I know Kashmiris, and they often wave green Islamic flags and banners, that happen to resemble the Pakistani flag.
The early Pakistan flag was without a white strip
Besides why the heck would they be waving an "early Pakistani flag" in 2009, LOL!!!
If they want to wave a Pakistani flag they will wave the National Pakistani flag (which contains the vertical left white strip), why because it has political significance and is a protest to the National status of Indian occupation and direct sympathy or support for National Pakistan.
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Another rant for nothing. The Pakistani flag in most parts of Kashmir is a 'Banned' item and that's exactly why at times you'd see cheaply made Pakistani flags where people would just put a crescent and a star on a green sheet.
There are a couple of examples where a cheaply made Pakistani flag was hoisted in Kashmir and India to piss off the Indian government. Simply because a Pakistani flag isn't something to come by easily in those strict regions.
Islamic flag/banner isn't green with a crescent and star on it. It's a Black flag with a Kalmah written on it. The one's hizbu-tehrir uses. Why don't you wise up and do your research?
The Internationally recognized flag of Islam.
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Bezerk is right.The green flag for sure represents Pakistan..and the will of Kashmiris to be a part of Pakistan.The kalma written on it proclaims their identity as they're Muslims and want to be associated with a country which was made in the name of Islam.I even know some Kashmiris who corroborate this fact.
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Another rant for nothing. The Pakistani flag in most parts of Kashmir is a 'Banned' item and that's exactly why at times you'd see cheaply made Pakistani flags where people would just put a crescent and a star on a green sheet.
There are a couple of examples where a cheaply made Pakistani flag was hoisted in Kashmir and India to piss off the Indian government. Simply because a Pakistani flag isn't something to come by easily in those strict regions.
Islamic flag/banner isn't green with a crescent and star on it. It's a Black flag with a Kalmah written on it. The one's hizbu-tehrir uses. Why don't you wise up and do your research?
The Internationally recognized flag of Islam.
Anything you dislike you label as a rant, grow up and grow a pair.
The Internationally recognized flag of Islam.[/QUOTE]
Yes I already know this is an internationally recognized Islamic flag.
Why don't you wise up and understand people have created their own flags symbolizing Islam, and for you to suggest the green flag with the crescent moon & star is exclusively a "Pakistani flag" is complete ignorance, many also wave a flag that symbolizes Islam, but happens to resemble the Pakistani flag.
I already showed you pictures of flags that Kashmiris commonly wave that symbolize Islam and/or their Muslim identity, but doesn't necessarily mean it is the "Pakistani flag".
"There are a couple of examples where a cheaply made Pakistani flag was hoisted in Kashmir and India to piss off the Indian government. "
Cheaply made, that's your answer to why they did not include the vertical left white strip on the so called "Pakistani flag". The fact is the official "Pakistani flag" DOES contain a vertical left white strip, and this is not open to interpretation.
To suggest the white strip is not included because it is "cheaply made" is delusion, your friend was suggesting it's because they are marching with the "early Pakistani flag".
quit the forum and go join a circus you two."The Pakistani flag in most parts of Kashmir is a 'Banned' item and that's exactly why at times you'd see cheaply made Pakistani flags where people would just put a crescent and a star on a green sheet. "
No body is saying this doesn't happen, I am telling you a green flag with a Crescent moon & star is not and has never been an exclusively "Pakistani flag" like you appeared to claim in your first post containing the picture, this is a distortion you are making, wise up.
Many Kashmiris also use a green flag with the Crescent Moon & Star to symbolize Islam or their goals of a Muslim Kashmir free of Indian occupation.
Stop your distortion.
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SRINAGAR — A massive pro-independence strike brought India-ruled Kashmir to a halt on Saturday, August 23, in the latest shutdowns and demonstrations in the Muslim-majority Himalayan region.
"The strike is part of continuing protests against India's rule in Kashmir," said Muslim leader Mirwaiz Umar Farooq, reported Agence France-Presse (AFP).
"It is also to demand our right to self-determination through a referendum."
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shops, schools, banks and businesses remained closed for a second day running in Srinagar, the summer capital of Indian Kashmir.
There were similar shutdowns in other towns in the Kashmir valley.
The strike, called by the Hurriyat Conference-led Coordination Committee, is set to continue until Monday, when a massive protest sit-in will be held at Lal Chowk, the heart of Srinagar.
The strike comes one day after hundreds of thousands of people massed in Srinagar to demand freedom from New Delhi's rule.
Waving green and black flags symbolizing Islam and mourning, the protestors chanted "we want freedom, our right to freedom."
The protestors also carried banners reading "Allahu akbar" ("God is greater") in white Arabic letters.
"We want freedom and nothing less than Azadi (freedom)," Sultan Muhammad, 40-year-old Kashmiri, told IslamOnline.net.
Kashmir has been boiling over a state government plan in June to donate land to a Hindu shrine trust in the Kashmir valley.
The decision was later reversed, angering Hindus.
Since June, at least 31 Muslims and three Hindus have been killed by police firing on protesters and other violence in the Kashmir valley and mainly Hindu Jammu area.
Curfew
In Jammu, meanwhile, police slapped a curfew following fresh clashes between Hindus and Muslims in the area.
"A curfew was clamped in the frontier Poonch district after fresh incidents of violence and stone hurling Saturday," a police official said.
The protests erupted as state officials and Hindu groups held talks to lower tensions in the area.
The repeated clashes between Muslims and Hindus have soured relations between the two sides, breathing new life into the separatist movement.
Hundreds of Muslim homes and shops have already been burnt to ashes by Hindu mobs in different areas of Jammu in recent weeks, forcing Muslim families to migrate to safe places.
The Hindu-Muslim clashes have also strained ties between India and Pakistan, which have fought two of their three wars over the region.
On Friday, three Indian soldiers and four gunmen were killed in a gun battle near the de facto border dividing Kashmir between India and Pakistan.
Violence in the region waned after New Delhi and Islamabad kicked off peace talks in 2004 but such clashes have resumed in recent months.
India accuses Pakistan of arming and funding militants in the area, waging an anti-Indian rebellion in Kashmir since 1989.
Kashmir is divided into two parts and ruled by India and Pakistan, which have fought two of their three wars since the 1947 independence over the region.
Pakistan and the UN back the right of the Kashmir people for self-determination, an option opposed by New Delhi.
Source: Kashmiris Strike for Independence - IslamOnline.net - News
"Waving green and black flags symbolizing Islam and mourning, the protestors chanted "we want freedom, our right to freedom.""
Waving green and blacks flags symbolizing Islam! Not necessarily their desire to join Pakistan or to wave the "Pakistani flag". Didn't I already say many Kashmiris also commonly wave a green flag containing a Crescent Moon & Star symbolizing Islam.
I also mentioned the green flag with the Crescent Moon & Star isn't exclusively a "Pakistani flag", in fact what that says the Pakistani flag itself promotes Islam visually, but this doesn't mean others who wave it are necessarily waving the Pakistani flag.
"Bezerk is right.The green flag for sure represents Pakistan..and the will of Kashmiris to be a part of Pakistan"
Ignorance must be bliss...
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