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There is nothing wrong in using diplomacy along with war. See, how U.S made believe everybody that iraq has WMD and they attacked later on and destroyed it.

2) No country will wait for getting attacked by nukes by enemy. The minute they know that nukes are in position,nothing cant be said who will use first.
I'm not saying that India doesn't have nukes or can't use them...I'm talking about the risk factor.

So of course according to current Indian policy they would theoretically respond with retaliatory nuclear strike even in case of NASR...

but when it actually comes down to it...and let's say in a war NASRs are used to decimate advancing Indian columns...would India choose

1) Utter destruction(by Pak nuclear strikes if India decided to go all out) just to get back at Pak for using NASRs and nuke Pak...getting nukes in return.

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2) a much less damaging path where India doesn't decide on nuclear strikes on Pak(and therefore Pak doesn't either)...intensify operations, reinforce troops, open more fronts, and try to capture Pak territory...in order to sort of make up for such huge losses(of soldiers) by trying to quickly score a victory. In addition to painting Pak in a bad light internationally to score diplomatic victory.

In my opinion India would go for the second option. There is potential(depending on how it plays out) of still gaining something at the end despite the losses(caused by NASR).

With the first option...u guys lose massive amounts of troops with NASR strikes...and then both countries destroy each other...so India gained nothing basically...both countries just lost.
 
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Lol and both countries go boom.

IMO India wouldn't want MAD scenario bcuz of a few NASRs that obliterated a few tank columns in thar desert. India would raise all kinds of hell on international forums and possibly intensify its operations rather than having itself destroyed.

But until it happens though...it's all guess work. Only a real war would show how it would play out.

Its a policy now... a nuke on IBGs either on ground or sea will result in massive all in nuke storm on enemy...
MOD, Military, Babus all have briefed press on this... also I think no nuke policy is also gone... not sure though MOD was vague on that..
 
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Its a policy now... a nuke on IBGs either on ground or sea will result in massive all in nuke storm on enemy...
MOD, Military, Babus all have briefed press on this... also I think no nuke policy is also gone... not sure though MOD was vague on that..
Refer to post 31.
 
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Refer to post 31.

your 2) option is contradictory ... if India doesnt respond with nukes more nukes will be used by Pakistan on IBGs..
once pakistan starts thr will be more and more nukes afterwards...
 
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your 2) option is contradictory ... if India doesnt respond with nukes more nukes will be used by Pakistan on IBGs..
once pakistan starts thr will be more and more nukes afterwards...
It is not contradictory...what u r saying is an option that Pak might use in response. This would be for India to plan and take into consideration that Pak might continue with NASRs if we keep throwing in more IBGs to capture territory. It might try to impose war reparations(once ceasefire happens) with international pressure or have other countries seize Pak assets, etc. Option 2 has a vast number of scenarios and possibilities where India can try to break even or come out on top rather than not existing.

I don't think a subkilton neutron bomb used on Pak territory(Thar desert) is enough of a threshold for India to decide that "alright MAD scenario it is...we will avenge those thousands of soldiers by destroying Pakistan and as a cost have India be destroyed"

Again like I said there is no way to know until it actually goes down. This is just my opinion...in any case I'm not going to derail the thread any further going on tangents.
 
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Do u think Pak would at first fight conventionally and then at some point use NASR if the advance cannot be stopped...

OR

would use NASR right in the beginning as soon as Indian forces enter Pak territory to send a strong message to deter any further hostilities?
Cold Start takes into Pakistan defence on the border, but the doctrine has armour and strike corps moving in quickly with resources already allocated on the border. So yes, first is conventional resistance. Would take 1 or 2 weeks to make those Nasr nuke ready after receiving orders to mobilize, assuming Nasr nukes are NOT a bluff. This means, Pakistan having to nuke Pakistani civilians areas under Indian control.
1) Utter destruction(by Pak nuclear strikes if India decided to go all out) just to get back at Pak for using NASRs and nuke Pak...getting nukes in return.
1, Tactical nukes are NOT real. You can use an ICBM to drop a nuke on Indian armoured core and call it tactical. Size/yield or the bomb does not matter, Nore does the method to drop the bomb, ie f-16 or Minuteman. Tactical nukes are determined by the TARGET they are dropped on!
2. Tactical nukes would invite a second full strike by Indian nukes. Reducing Pakistans nukes! Wrong decision on Paks part. Nuke first is the policy or don't nuke at all. Pakistani nukes are all within reach.
2) a much less damaging path where India doesn't decide on nuclear strikes on Pak(and therefore Pak doesn't either)...intensify operations, reinforce troops, open more fronts, and try to capture Pak territory...in order to sort of make up for such huge losses(of soldiers) by trying to quickly score a victory. In addition to painting Pak in a bad light internationally to score diplomatic victory.
Depends on the number of causalities. Theres a reason nukes are targeted at cities and bases. Conventional forces are spread out and nuking your own forces becomes a possibility in the fog of war. But if Pakistan uses 1 or 2, they'll use them all before India or the International community shuts them down.
In my opinion India would go for the second option. There is potential(depending on how it plays out) of still gaining something at the end despite the losses(caused by NASR).

With the first option...u guys lose massive amounts of troops with NASR strikes...and then both countries destroy each other...so India gained nothing basically...both countries just lost.
Second option is not possible for Pakistan. Using nukes and causing recoverable damage to the Indian military is NOT an option. Strategic nuking on a large scale and tactical use of nukes is the only option. If you drop one, be prepared to drop them all before its too late. Many Pakistani scholars also believe in tactical nuclear bluff as well. There is NO way to counter cold start conventionally or with nukes.
Conventionally Pakistan can not defeat India. Could be hard, but Pakistan will loose territory in Punjab.
With nukes, its game over for both and possibility China. Remember those missiles and nukes are largely thanks to Noko and PRC. India knows this. They going down, they might as well take out Pakistans cheerleader.
Cold Start was designed IMO to put pressure for diplomatic solution to terrorists attacks, going both ways. Since its arrival, top level really back level talks could be possibility, largely thanks to MMS and Musharaff. Cold start was approved under Congress and Mushraff reign. So the top brass a in sync. Now if only the middle men especially in Pakistan could see the same.
 
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It is not contradictory...what u r saying is an option that Pak might use in response. This would be for India to plan and take into consideration that Pak might continue with NASRs if we keep throwing in more IBGs to capture territory. It might try to impose war reparations(once ceasefire happens) with international pressure or have other countries seize Pak assets, etc. Option 2 has a vast number of scenarios and possibilities where India can try to break even or come out on top rather than not existing.

I don't think a subkilton neutron bomb used on Pak territory(Thar desert) is enough of a threshold for India to decide that "alright MAD scenario it is...we will avenge those thousands of soldiers by destroying Pakistan and as a cost have India be destroyed"

Again like I said there is no way to know until it actually goes down. This is just my opinion...in any case I'm not going to derail the thread any further going on tangents.

you are being rational here ... but wars by definition are irrational... in heat of war when a nuke is thrown on IBGs after a terrorist attack... how do you think Indian public will take it?
Public, Media and opposition will go crazy... thr will be open rebellion...
and if you are finding any logic here.. thr is actually
India will be able to use all its nukes unlike 2nd strike where some of the deployed nukes or assets might be destroyed by pakistani first strike..
 
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It's true that NASR will end the war, because any Pakistani formation after that will be mercilessly pounded with NASR's daddy.
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you are being rational here ... but wars by definition are irrational... in heat of war when a nuke is thrown on IBGs after a terrorist attack... how do you think Indian public will take it?
Public, Media and opposition will go crazy... thr will be open rebellion...
and if you are finding any logic here.. thr is actually
India will be able to use all its nukes unlike 2nd strike where some of the deployed nukes or assets might be destroyed by pakistani first strike..
It doesn't matter if India launches its first strike nukes. At that point Pak and India would go all out to destroy each other's cities, bases, airports, everything basically.

I still think NASR threshold is too low for India to opt for a MAD scenario. Survival is one of the most important things for any living being. India would try to think of a 1000 different options before just saying "all is lost...let's do this".
 
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It doesn't matter if India launches its first strike nukes. At that point Pak and India would go all out to destroy each other's cities, bases, airports, everything basically.

I still think NASR threshold is too low for India to opt for a MAD scenario. Survival is one of the most important things for any living being. India would try to think of a 1000 different options before just saying "all is lost...let's do this".

then Pakistan army should stop sponsoring terrorists in kashmir and elsewhere in India and stop all anti Indian activities thr are literally private armies in Pakistan being groomed by ISI and Pak Army to use against India...
LET, JEM, D company...
India will go all in once IBGs are attacked by nukes...
better pakistan should go all in or pak army should end all its terrorist sponsored policies.
 
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It's true that NASR will end the war, because any Pakistani formation after that will be mercilessly pounded with NASR's daddy.
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Kid... It's not a tactical nuclear warhead...

Nor is it even in operations..

then Pakistan army should stop sponsoring terrorists in kashmir and elsewhere in India and stop all anti Indian activities thr are literally private armies in Pakistan being groomed by ISI and Pak Army to use against India...
LET, JEM, D company...
India will go all in once IBGs are attacked by nukes...
better pakistan should go all in or pak army should end all its terrorist sponsored policies.

Nigga we got your naval commander pants down getting fuked by BLA..

Your country has sponsored terrorists in every neighbouring nation.

Mukti,chakma,LTTE,BLA,SD.. And many more.

As for your so called IBGs .. You can't even move without killing almost 2000 of your own soldier's and wasting billions... Ops Parakarama.


As for tac nukes.. They are only for deterrence.. Otherwise.. There wouldn't be armoured brigades stationed near Indian border..

As for nukes... Sure homie.. Just remember.. You launch a nuke.. You will go down with us..

Pakistans Samson option.
 
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then Pakistan army should stop sponsoring terrorists in kashmir and elsewhere in India and stop all anti Indian activities thr are literally private armies in Pakistan being groomed by ISI and Pak Army to use against India...
LET, JEM, D company...
India will go all in once IBGs are attacked by nukes...
better pakistan should go all in or pak army should end all its terrorist sponsored policies.
Yeah well we can say the same to u. U guys should stop funding the likes of BLA and others. You guys funded, trained, armed Mukti Bahini in the past too. Don't try to act like India is innocent...this is what enemies do...don't expect Pakistan to play nice.

...and Pak isn't scared of India's IBGs/Cold Start Doctrine/etc...do what u gotta do and Pak will do what Pak has to do.

If u want peace then it takes two to tango.
 
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Nigga we got your naval commander pants down getting fuked by BLA..

Your country has sponsored terrorists in every neighbouring nation.

Mukti,chakma,LTTE,BLA,SD.. And many more.

As for your so called IBGs .. You can't even move without killing almost 2000 of your own soldier's and wasting billions... Ops Parakarama.


As for tac nukes.. They are only for deterrence.. Otherwise.. There wouldn't be armoured brigades stationed near Indian border..

As for nukes... Sure homie.. Just remember.. You launch a nuke.. You will go down with us..

Pakistans Samson option.

lol u kidnapped a retired navy personal we got one of yours on ISI payroll ...
An Indian Naval Commander can literally turn all your naval and air fleet in pieces and will left your coastal cities
worst than a zombi town...
regarding terrorist sponsoring if all of your neighbors and countries like USA/China is telling you to stop providing sanctuaries to terrorists you should listen otherwise world wont care much when thermo nukes will finish even Microorganisms in your country... India will survive
 
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lol u kidnapped a retired navy personal we got one of yours on ISI payroll ...
An Indian Naval Commander can literally turn all your naval and air fleet in pieces and will left your coastal cities
worst than a zombi town...
regarding terrorist sponsoring if all of your neighbors and countries like USA/China is telling you to stop providing sanctuaries to terrorists you should listen otherwise world wont care much when thermo nukes will finish even Microorganisms in your country... India will survive
Lol India won't survive either. Go learn about the after effects of nuclear fallout. It doesn't matter if the world wouldn't care about a destroyed Pak and care deeply about a destroyed India. Both would cease to exist and that's that.
 
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Kid... It's not a tactical nuclear warhead...
Both Prithvi 2 and Prahaar are nuclear capable. Prahaar is replacing Prithvi.
As for whether they're nuclear tipped, why would you think NASR is nuclear tipped?
Because Pak leaders talk about it on alternate days and India keeps mum about all its nukes?


Prahaar and NASR were tested in a gap of three months. Rest is up to guess work.
 
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