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Photos recovered from memory cards and acquired by daily Hürriyet provide an inside look at what happened when Israeli commandos raided the Turkish ship Mavi Marmara and how they were treated, in the early morning hours of May 31.




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they were pirates. What right they have to hijack a forign ship in international waters???????????//

they got beaten by people on ship in self defense they killed people in ship in comitting a robbery/ kidnapping which is crime according to all laws of any land
 
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Is this when public opinion turns against Israel?
Linda Grant
June 6, 2010 - 1:00AM

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IN THE summer of 1947, a semi-derelict 200-berth Chesapeake Bay steamer carrying 4500 Holocaust survivors, renamed the Exodus, set out from France to run the British blockade of Palestine. The survivors had been ******* in displaced persons camps since the end of the war, waiting to find a country that would take them. The organisers of the expedition, the Zionist movement, were operating a policy of illegal immigration as both a humanitarian rescue operation and as a calculated move to politically gerrymander the country's Jewish population. They didn't expect to be able to land, but they knew that the rickety vessel with its pitiful human cargo of refugees would show up the British as cold-hearted colonial masters. The Exodus could equally have been called End of Empire.

As the ship approached Haifa, the commander received a radio signal from the Zionist leadership not to risk the lives of the passengers by a confrontation. But the recalcitrant Polish captain refused to turn back. Hemmed in by three British destroyers, the crew and passengers found themselves boarded, and retaliated with whatever weapons came to hand - a consignment of cans of kosher corned beef. The British killed three people, one bludgeoned to death by a rifle butt in the face. A few days later the passengers were transferred to another ship and sailed back to Germany, back to the refugee camps, under withering press headlines. ''Return to the death land,'' read one.

The media coverage was a PR catastrophe for Britain. To the ship's captain, Ike Aronowitz, when I met him in 2007 shortly before his death, the decision of the British foreign minister of the day, Ernest Bevin, to repel the Exodus was a gift from a God who had ''sent us Ernest Bevin to create a Jewish state''.

The events early last week of the boarding of the Gaza aid flotilla should have jogged the memories of Israel's leaders. The sight of Israeli politicians, diplomats and army spokesmen trying to assert a more complicated story than that of innocent civilians brutally murdered by an act of piracy has not washed with the public. No amount of showing videos of the peace activists attacking the abseiling Israeli soldiers will answer the question: what were the soldiers doing there in the first place and why would the passengers not defend themselves against their attackers, exactly as the refugees had done in 1947?

Israel's political reasoning, of a Hamas-controlled Gaza Strip, of the threat to the Jewish state from Gaza in the south and Hezbollah in the north, backed by the nuclear-ambitious Iran, falls on deaf ears. Legal arguments by maritime experts that Israel was within its right to assault the ship in international waters can't compete with the authoritative presence on another of the vessels of the internationally bestselling novelist Henning Mankell, who risked his own life to bring aid to the starving millions of Gaza.

Palestinian solidarity movements have not, until now, attained the critical mass of the campaign against apartheid South Africa. Perhaps, like the Exodus in 1947, the Gaza aid flotilla will be the tipping point in the long agony of the Palestinian people, when wavering public opinion finally turns decisively against Israel and the whole Zionist project of a national home for the Jews.

When public sympathy is outraged by what has been described as a massacre, the fine points of what is to be the solution to the rival claims of Arabs and Jews for the same piece of territory are not the point. We look back on the ship Exodus and wonder if our parents and grandparents should have thought harder and emoted less. But emotions are what you feel, you cannot help it. Human empathy for the inmates of a vast open air prison undergoing collective punishment will always trounce the warnings of the think tanks. The image of the Gaza flotilla has etched itself on the mind, whatever the unforeseen consequences of our collective outrage.

GUARDIAN
 
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These fools are unwittingly playing to Israel's advantage by boasting and posting these photos. The next ship Rachel Corie called these acts 'silly mistakes' and offered no resistance to Israel. The fact that Israel troops boarded the ship with sidearms and paintball guns is not lost on the public who are sophisticated enough to know that troops do not board any ship with non-lethal weapons as their main weapon. The US Coast Guard often board ships in international waters on suspicion alone. For the long term, this will harm the image of these 'peace' activists more than help their cause.
 
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These fools are unwittingly playing to Israel's advantage by boasting and posting these photos. The next ship Rachel Corie called these acts 'silly mistakes' and offered no resistance to Israel. The fact that Israel troops boarded the ship with sidearms and paintball guns is not lost on the public who are sophisticated enough to know that troops do not board any ship with non-lethal weapons as their main weapon. The US Coast Guard often board ships in international waters on suspicion alone. For the long term, this will harm the image of these 'peace' activists more than help their cause.

I disagree. Israel's whole illegal blockade is over (its a matter of time) given Egypt has opened up its side indefinitely, which is in a stark contrast to all of the past openings.

What Rachel Corie did was fine, what Mavi Marva passengers did was well within their rights as well. You and I can discuss the specifics of the boarding for a long time but there is no getting around the point that the world opinion is largely seeing this Israeli boarding as an illegal attempt that resulted in the killings of 9 people.

Here is what the captain of the Rachel Corrie had to say:

"I was ordered to stay on board the bridge," he said. "You have to realise the guy from the Mavi Marmara was basically executed by the Israelis, so I am standing there on the bridge by myself with no protection so at that stage you start to get worried."

They did what was right, yet the mistakes and the responsibility of the Israelis in this FUBAR of a situation is for all to see. They thought they could get away with murder, literally, yet again and this time got called out.

Israelis can now maintain their shipping blockade for as long as they want but its certainly not going to work, because Palestinians are getting in and out of Gaza easily now from the Egyptian side. This I believe was one of the major goals of the aid flotilla and they have attained it.
 
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The US Coast Guard often board ships in international waters on suspicion alone
Did Israel said they boarded the ship on suspisions? I think Israel announced to block the journey of ship before it started its journey!
I think if Israel wanted to search the ship, he could do it without violence.

Now big question with newely surfaced pictures; why did Israel let these pictures slip through?

I don't expet Israel to be linent enough..... to not check cameras of all passengers!

Second question... i read those soldiers who stromed the ship wer from Israel special forces division.. suppose to be the best of Israel army! and the fellow is crying inside the boat while his comrades are shooting indiscriminately on the deck!
 
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this is only the beginning, there are numerous new convoys being planned as we speak, among them the freedom flotilla 2 :) which is due to launch in three weeks.
Unfortunately Egypt, I just heard has blocked an Egyptian freedom convoy carrying Egyptian parliamentarians and aid 20 meters from the Palestinian border.
 
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Leaving aside the larger question of what happens to the blockade, the release of these photographs by the Turkish media is a bit of an own goal. These photos clearly show people on the ship attacking Israeli soldiers and doing it while they were being photographed. It more or less confirms the Israeli version of events & confirms that the videos of the protesters attacking Israeli soldiers is accurate, something whose veracity was repeatedly questioned. It also brings into question the version that Israeli soldiers opened fire at the protesters without any provocation since the fact that people were actually taking photographs meant that they did not feel threatened enough by the Israelis at that point to take cover. The photographs also confirm that the primary intention of the protesters on this ship was to turn this into a media event.

Many here have argued the finer details of who is legally in the right. Whatever be the arguments on that score, the attacking of armed commandos by the protesters must rank high on the stupidity scale. If a ship was set upon by armed pirates (many have likened the Israelis to them) on the Somalian coast, the advice given to the crew would be not to resist and thereby endanger their lives. This advice is given when the pirates in question are small in number & poorly trained. Attacking armed commandos automatically implies that those aboard embraced that risk thereby assuming atleast partial responsibility for the consequences.

These photographs also do most damage to the cause of the protesters in the two countries that matter most. The United States & Israel itself. Public opinion within Israel which was heavily against the interception would most likely show considerable swing towards the Israeli government view of the incidents which argued that the Israeli commandos were forced to defend themselves. The same is likely to have been the effect in the U.S. which has faced similar charges in Iraq & Afghanistan. The opinions within predominantly muslim countries & Europe is likely to have no serious effect on the attitude of the Israeli government.
 
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Leaving aside the larger question of what happens to the blockade, the release of these photographs by the Turkish media is a bit of an own goal. These photos clearly show people on the ship attacking Israeli soldiers and doing it while they were being photographed. It more or less confirms the Israeli version of events & confirms that the videos of the protesters attacking Israeli soldiers is accurate, something whose veracity was repeatedly questioned. It also brings into question the version that Israeli soldiers opened fire at the protesters without any provocation since the fact that people were actually taking photographs meant that they did not feel threatened enough by the Israelis at that point to take cover. The photographs also confirm that the primary intention of the protesters on this ship was to turn this into a media event.

Many here have argued the finer details of who is legally in the right. Whatever be the arguments on that score, the attacking of armed commandos by the protesters must rank high on the stupidity scale. If a ship was set upon by armed pirates (many have likened the Israelis to them) on the Somalian coast, the advice given to the crew would be not to resist and thereby endanger their lives. This advice is given when the pirates in question are small in number & poorly trained. Attacking armed commandos automatically implies that those aboard embraced that risk thereby assuming atleast partial responsibility for the consequences.

These photographs also do most damage to the cause of the protesters in the two countries that matter most. The United States & Israel itself. Public opinion within Israel which was heavily against the interception would most likely show considerable swing towards the Israeli government view of the incidents which argued that the Israeli commandos were forced to defend themselves. The same is likely to have been the effect in the U.S. which has faced similar charges in Iraq & Afghanistan. The opinions within predominantly muslim countries & Europe is likely to have no serious effect on the attitude of the Israeli government.

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no one is denying that the activists beat the soldiers on the contrary they already admitted it.
I don't agree with you that the activists were taking photographs did it because they weren't threatened as one of them was shot through the head when he was documenting the event during the fight.
So far no one really knows what happened. And it's a thin argument that because the activists beat the soldiers, then the israeli version is entirely correct.
I really think that all of this doesn't matter as it's solely Israel's responsibility in the first place, first of all the illegal blockade, second of all the boarding itself. These activists were hell bent on delivering the aid, and a blitz boarding in the middle of the night from all sides with soldiers intending on taking over the aid and the ships, only pushed these people to react the way they did.
The soldiers got beaten big deal, no one of them died even though the activists could have killed them, proves they didn't intend to kill just beat the Sh** out of them.
 
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bang:
no one is denying that the activists beat the soldiers on the contrary they already admitted it.
I don't agree with you that the activists were taking photographs did it because they weren't threatened as one of them was shot through the head when he was documenting the event during the fight.
So far no one really knows what happened. And it's a thin argument that because the activists beat the soldiers, then the israeli version is entirely correct.
I really think that all of this doesn't matter as it's solely Israel's responsibility in the first place, first of all the illegal blockade, second of all the boarding itself. These activists were hell bent on delivering the aid, and a blitz boarding in the middle of the night from all sides with soldiers intending on taking over the aid and the ships, only pushed these people to react the way they did.
The soldiers got beaten big deal, no one of them died even though the activists could have killed them, proves they didn't intend to kill just beat the Sh** out of them.


Without disagreeing with most of what you said, my point still would be that an attack against armed commandos would invite some retaliatory action which should have been expected. I have made my feelings on the blockade & Israel's general treatment of the Palestinians known on other threads which is why I did not go into the legalities of the case.

Do you believe that if Pakistani (or Indian) commandos faced a similar situation, the outcome would have been any different? It's one thing to argue against the decision made to board the ship, it is something else completely to expect fellow soldiers of the commandos in the photos to take no action against the people attacking their buddies. Intentions are not necessarily transparent in such situations nor can you & I vouch for the objectives of the protesters in question. The question to be asked is under a situation like the one which transpired and with the information presently available to us, could the actions of the Israeli soldiers have a legitimate basis on which they were grounded. Whether the actions were more severe than necessary is something that can be argued while remembering that we have the benefit of hindsight. I would have to argue that Israeli soldiers can claim the benefit of partial exoneration on the basis of these photos. Regrettably, some of the protesters have been shown to have involved themselves in acts which might have brought on their & their fellow protesters heads, some very tragic consequences.
 
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i appreciate the posts.....with all due respect, indian commando would never make it onto a Pakistani boat in the first place. I don't think its possible


no need to compare those two.



the point is, the commandos never should have been ordered to be air dropped onto a humanitarian non-hostile vessel. things only got hostile when commandos started jumping onto the boat

israil is known for heavy handed tactics....so of course people would prepare for a fight
 
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Hi, any news about our folks? did they got back?
 
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