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The Gold-Backed-Oil-Yuan Futures Contract Myth
Oct. 15, 2017

Koos Jansen


Deep Value, research analyst, newsletter provider, gold
BullionStar

Originally published on Bullionstar.com

On September 1, 2017, the Nikkei Asian Review published an article titled, "China sees new world order with oil benchmark backed by gold", written by Damon Evans. Just below the headline in the introduction it states, "China is expected shortly to launch a crude oil futures contract priced in yuan and convertible into gold in what analysts say could be a game-changer for the industry". Not long after the Nikkei piece was released "the story" was widely copied in sensational analyses throughout the gold space. However, "the story", as presented by Nikkei, doesn't make sense at all. Allow me to share my 2 cents in addition to what I shared previously on the Daily Coin.

All the rumours and analyses on gold, oil and yuan that are making rounds now in the blogosphere are based on the Nikkei article. But the Nikkei article itself contains zero official sources. Basically, the whole story has been invented by Damon Evans. So, let's start addressing the claims made in the Nikkei piece.

It's true that the Shanghai Futures Exchange (SHFE) - not to be confused with the Shanghai Gold Exchange (SGE) - has recently set up a subsidiary called the Shanghai International Energy Exchange (INE), for foreign enterprises to trade a new oil futures contract denominated in yuan which is expected to be launched later this year (product symbol: SC). Specifications of the contract can be read here. In all official sources, though, there is no mention of gold. Officially this contract is not "convertible into gold".

The only vague connection I could find is that the INE "will accept foreign exchange as … trading margin". If this includes gold - which technically is not foreign exchange - we will see. In any case, even if gold will be used as trading margin, that doesn't mean the contract is "backed by gold".

The Nikkei headline clearly reads "China sees new world order with oil benchmark backed by gold". In this context, the word "backed" for most readers will refer to a fixed parity. In the past, for example, there was a fixed parity between gold and the US dollar; this meant the dollar was backed by gold through the US Treasury; dollars could be redeemed for gold at a fixed price and vice versa. In case of the Nikkei story it would imply a fixed parity between yuan, or oil (this is not clear), and gold. But how would China back anything with gold? Would China's central bank (the PBOC) defend a fixed price of gold in yuan? And it would do so through an oil futures contract? Impossible.

Quickly ‘the story’ by Nikkei transformed through the blogosphere where analysts suggested the gold in SGE vaults would back the yuan. The problem with this theory is that gold in SGE vaults, (i) isn’t owned by the Chinese government, and (ii) isn’t allowed to be exported from the Chinese domestic market (not very convenient for foreign oil producers). Then analysts suggested the gold in vaults of the Shanghai International Gold Exchange (SGEI) would do the job. But SGEI gold, (i) isn’t owned by the Chinese government either, and (ii) can only have been sourced in the international gold market, payed for with US dollars. So much for the oil-gold trade circumventing US dollars as presented by Nikkei.

Now, let’s zoom in on the logic behind the phrase “crude oil futures contract priced in yuan and convertible into gold”. Futures contracts are an agreement between two traders about the future price of i.e. a commodity (usually denominated in a currency, in the case of the INE contract yuan). There can be no third asset, commodity or currency involved in a futures contract. It cannot be that upon physical delivery of SC – when oil is exchanged for yuan – one of the two traders will say, “you know what, I don’t want yuan (or oil), I want gold”. And, needless to say, the Chinese government will not mingle in the futures trade. The PBOC will not jump in when a SC short or long demands gold. Again, the new INE oil futures contract denominated in yuan will have nothing to do with gold.

What is possible is that when a SC short delivers oil in exchange for yuan, he is then free to buy gold with the proceeds. One can do so directly on the SGEI where three physical gold products denominated in yuan are listed.

Though, be reminded, currently no oil producer is prohibited from buying gold (or something else for that matter) when paid in US dollars. That’s actually the very function of money. Money is used, since ancient times, for what is called indirect exchange. Stuff is sold for money, and with that money all other stuff can be bought. Gold can be bought with the proceeds from oil sales since … forever. An oil futures contract will not suddenly change all that. In the Nikkei piece one analysts was quoted saying:

It's a transfer of holding their assets in black liquid to yellow metal. It's a strategic move swapping oil for gold, rather than for U.S. Treasuries, which can be printed out of thin air.​

But oil producers are free to buy gold with their moneys (yuan or dollars) with or without the new futures contract. The INE contract will not remove an obligation i.e. for Kuwait to invest in U.S. Treasuries. So, what will change when this new oil-yuan futures contract is launched?

Also bear in mind that futures are hardly ever physically delivered. Futures are used for hedging and speculation. In general, commodities are physically traded in the spot market. Oil for dollars, chocolate for Swiss francs, Dutch cheese for euros, etcetera. Futures contracts are not necessarily needed to sell oil for yuan. Nikkei wrote:

China's move will allow exporters such as Russia and Iran to circumvent U.S. sanctions by trading in yuan.​

But effectively, Venezuela, Russia and Iran can sell their oil to China in exchange for yuan as of this very moment, before the oil-yuan futures contract is live. They also could have done so three years ago. So, in my very humble opinion the new INE contract will not be the instant game changer everybody is talking about.

Perhaps also noteworthy, one commentator on the Nikkei story wrote:

China just announced that any oil-exporter that accepts yuan for oil can convert the oil to gold on the Shanghai Gold Exchange and hedge the hard currency value of the gold on the Shanghai Futures Exchange.​

My comments on this paragraph:

  1. As shown above China hasn’t announced anything but an oil-yuan futures contract. Gold has nothing to do with it.
  2. Offshore yuan can technically be spend on gold at the SGE, but gold in the Chinese domestic market (SGE system) is not allowed to be exported. Gold from the SGEI is allowed to be exported but is bought in the international market via yuan with US dollars.
  3. Foreign enterprises, like oil producers, cannot hedge gold on the Shanghai Futures Exchange. The SHFE is not open for international customers. There’s only a spot deferred product listed on the SGE, which is comparable to a futures contract, through which foreign enterprises can hedge gold in yuan. But why would oil producers buy gold and subsequently hedge the metal in yuan. Their end position would be merely exposure to the price of yuan. Why then, not buy a yuan denominated bond with an interest rate? Or hold gold without the hedge?
Prior to publication of the Nikkei article in question I got an email from Evans. He asked me if “China will tie a gold guarantee to the new oil contract?”. I replied, “No. I would be surprised if they did that”. But my quote wasn’t selected for the final publication. The piece only quoted analysts singing the same song. In my view, that’s not what sound journalism is about. First of all Evans didn’t use any official sources, and second he picked analysts that confirmed his bias.

Aside from all the inaccuracies in the Nikkei article, what stands out for me is that indeed a large number of countries is willing to trade oil in yuan and the new INE futures contract is important for this development as it allows oil producers and users to hedge directly in renminbi. And so the INE contract will support oil for yuan trading. That’s what the article should have focussed on.

Although not much has happened yet*, it’s clear Asia wants to get rid of the petrodollar, and it will be interesting to see how this initiative develops.

*Still the majority of global trade is conducted in US dollars, and most foreign exchange reserves are in dollars too. The share of yuan payments, compared to all other currencies, tracked by payment service provider SWIFT were under 2 % in June, down slightly from two years ago. (I have no data on CIPS payments.)



And even China has added over $107 billion in U.S. Treasuries since November 2016.



If you would like to learn more about the Chinese gold market and the SGE(I), please read my recently updated Chinese Gold Market Essentials Guide.
 
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Death of the Petro-Dollar means the death of the USA as we know it!!!! Follks cling together due to the strength of their currency!!! I don't think many folks will join the funeral!!! And, it includes most of her most trusted allies for they're too clever not to get into the new "Zion" at the most oportune time!!! And, they have an impeccable and unbeatable track record!! Antagonizing Pak should be the last thing in their minds for only Pak can save them from the looming disaster!!!
 
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So when is the Tehran Oil Bourse begin trading oil in currencies other than the dead dollar to kill off the petrodollar?

I think it already opened but nobody seemed to notice it. Plus the real excuse was to open it so if the US attacked Iran they could point the finger and claim it was all due to the Iranian Oil Bourse about to destroy the dollar. Well the Bourse opened and nothing happened. Not even a blip.

https://www.globalresearch.ca/fragile-dollar-hegemony-iran-s-oil-bourse-could-topple-the-dollar/7998
 
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I think it already opened but nobody seemed to notice it. Plus the real excuse was to open it so if the US attacked Iran they could point the finger and claim it was all due to the Iranian Oil Bourse about to destroy the dollar. Well the Bourse opened and nothing happened. Not even a blip.

https://www.globalresearch.ca/fragile-dollar-hegemony-iran-s-oil-bourse-could-topple-the-dollar/7998

Why am I not surprised? :D

A hard mission buddy. Let us follow the big boys :D :tup:

Iran the baby child? Oh really, come now!

Death of the Petro-Dollar means the death of the USA as we know it!!!! Follks cling together due to the strength of their currency!!! I don't think many folks will join the funeral!!! And, it includes most of her most trusted allies for they're too clever not to get into the new "Zion" at the most oportune time!!! And, they have an impeccable and unbeatable track record!! Antagonizing Pak should be the last thing in their minds for only Pak can save them from the looming disaster!!!


Not to worry. The dollar dies four times a month and all national holidays here. It is very, very dead. Obviously.
 
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China has no real plans to substitute the dollar.
Most cases of dropping the dollar are anomalies. Here are two cases of India paying Iran in gold and rupees.

India Drops the Dollar and Pays for Iranian Oil in Gold
By Ag Metal Miner - Feb 04, 2012, 12:15 PM CST
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Media reports suggests that India has agreed to pay the price of crude oil it imports from Iran in gold, which makes it the first country to drop the US dollar for purchasing the Iranian oil.

Citing an Israeli intelligence website, The Times of India has reported that India is opting for gold to repay crude oil supplies from Iran. The website, Debkafile, said the transaction will be routed through UCO Bank, the Kolkata-based public sector lender.

However, the authenticity of the news could not be confirmed as the Indian government has neither confirmed nor rejected the option of paying in gold for oil imports from Iran.

India, which is highly dependent on imports to meet its crude oil consumption needs, is Iran’s second-largest oil customer after China and purchases around $12 billion worth of Iranian crude every year, about 12 percent of its consumption.

On Dec. 31, 2011, US President Barack Obama signed new sanctions into law, seeking to penalize countries importing Iran’s oil or undertaking transactions with the Central Bank of the Islamic Republic of Iran.

EU leaders also endorsed the latest restrictive measures against Iran. The leaders of the 27-member bloc briefly touched upon foreign relations during the summit held in Brussels, mentioning sanctions adopted by the EU Foreign Ministers on Jan. 23.

Analysts say that the US and the European Union’s sanction against Iran is a move aimed to ramp up pressure on the country’s much disputed nuclear program.

The controversy over Iran’s nuclear programs has been the focus of news for a while. A majority of the international community is at odds with Iran over its nuclear program because of its history concealing its nuclear activities, but Iran insists its program is aimed at developing technologies for peaceful purposes.

According to the Times of India article, India has decided to explore payment options for oil imports from Tehran and will only abide by U.N. sanctions and not those imposed by any other bloc of countries.

India’s Petroleum Minister S. Jaipal Reddy reacted to the European Union’s sanctions against Iran in the article, saying New Delhi would continue to explore “options” for paying Tehran for its oil imports. Among those options is to do business using Indian currency on the lines of the arrangement with Russia in the past.

New Delhi and Tehran have been debating options for Indian payments for over a year now, since the Reserve Bank of India banned Indian firms from using the Asian Clearing Union to pay for oil imports from Iran in December 2010.

Iran is one of the world’s leading producers of both natural gas and oil; it is OPEC’s second-largest oil producer and exporter after Saudi Arabia and, in 2010, was the world’s third-largest exporter of oil after Saudi Arabia and Russia.

Iran has 40 producing fields, 27 onshore and 13 offshore, with the majority of crude oil reserves located in the southwestern Khuzestan region near the Iraqi border.

OPEC’s oil reserves of 1.19 trillion barrels as of 2010 make up 81.3 percent of the world’s total oil reserves. Among OPEC nations, Venezuela has the largest reserves, totaling 296 billion barrels, and Saudi Arabia has the second-largest at 264 billion barrels. With reserves of 151.2 billion barrels, Iran has 12.7 percent of the world’s total oil reserves.

India and China take about one million barrels per day (bpd), or 40 percent of Iran’s total exports of 2.5 million bpd — and both India and China have huge reserves of gold.


Iran, India to settle outstanding crude oil dues in rupees
The payment agreement needs amendment as tax exemption is contingent on the pact notified by the Centre in January 2012 which allows only 45 percent of oil payments in rupees.
Written by Amitav Ranjan | New Delhi |Updated: January 5, 2016 2:57 am
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Ditching the dollar, Iran and India have agreed to settle all outstanding crude oil dues in rupees in preparation to future trade in their national currencies. The dollar dues — $6.5 billion equaling 55 per cent of oil payment — would be deposited in National Iranian Oil Co account with Indian banks.

Sources said work was underway to amend the agreement with Iran to allow entire crude oil payment to be made in rupees. “Finance Ministry is moving a Cabinet note on withholding tax exemption on oil payments,” they said.

Since 2013, Indian refiners have been depositing 45 per cent of their oil payments to Iran in rupees with UCO Bank and withholding the remainder after a payment route through Turkey’s Halkbank was stopped under US and European sanctions.

The payment agreement needs amendment as tax exemption is contingent on the pact notified by the Centre in January 2012 which allows only 45 percent of oil payments in rupees. Budget 2012-13 exempted Indian refiners from withholding 40 per cent tax while paying NIOC.

Sources said IDBI Bank, which is also highly insulated from global sanctions due to lack of overseas presence, would be authorised to open a joint account in which $4 billion would be parked for non-oil imports.

The remaining $2.5 billion would be deposited in UCO Bank. “One option being considered is to provide a $150 million loan to Iran for the development of Chabahar port through UCO Bank,” said sources.

Sources added that Iran also plans to use these rupee deposits in Indian banks as collateral for printing more rials through its central bank. And once the sanctions are lifted, they said, a large share would be transferred to Iran through conversion in Euros.

The currency switch policy is part of the offensive by both countries ahead of a significant surge in trade once the sanctions are lifted. Keeping that in focus, two are preparing a Preferential Trade Agreement and working on increased connectivity in banking sector for which India’s finance ministry has approved that Iran be removed from the sensitive list.
 
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The Gold-Backed-Oil-Yuan Futures Contract Myth
Oct. 15, 2017

Koos Jansen


Deep Value, research analyst, newsletter provider, gold
BullionStar

Originally published on Bullionstar.com

On September 1, 2017, the Nikkei Asian Review published an article titled, "China sees new world order with oil benchmark backed by gold", written by Damon Evans. Just below the headline in the introduction it states, "China is expected shortly to launch a crude oil futures contract priced in yuan and convertible into gold in what analysts say could be a game-changer for the industry". Not long after the Nikkei piece was released "the story" was widely copied in sensational analyses throughout the gold space. However, "the story", as presented by Nikkei, doesn't make sense at all. Allow me to share my 2 cents in addition to what I shared previously on the Daily Coin.

All the rumours and analyses on gold, oil and yuan that are making rounds now in the blogosphere are based on the Nikkei article. But the Nikkei article itself contains zero official sources. Basically, the whole story has been invented by Damon Evans. So, let's start addressing the claims made in the Nikkei piece.

It's true that the Shanghai Futures Exchange (SHFE) - not to be confused with the Shanghai Gold Exchange (SGE) - has recently set up a subsidiary called the Shanghai International Energy Exchange (INE), for foreign enterprises to trade a new oil futures contract denominated in yuan which is expected to be launched later this year (product symbol: SC). Specifications of the contract can be read here. In all official sources, though, there is no mention of gold. Officially this contract is not "convertible into gold".

The only vague connection I could find is that the INE "will accept foreign exchange as … trading margin". If this includes gold - which technically is not foreign exchange - we will see. In any case, even if gold will be used as trading margin, that doesn't mean the contract is "backed by gold".

The Nikkei headline clearly reads "China sees new world order with oil benchmark backed by gold". In this context, the word "backed" for most readers will refer to a fixed parity. In the past, for example, there was a fixed parity between gold and the US dollar; this meant the dollar was backed by gold through the US Treasury; dollars could be redeemed for gold at a fixed price and vice versa. In case of the Nikkei story it would imply a fixed parity between yuan, or oil (this is not clear), and gold. But how would China back anything with gold? Would China's central bank (the PBOC) defend a fixed price of gold in yuan? And it would do so through an oil futures contract? Impossible.

@Chinese-Dragon @ChineseTiger1986

Guys, any information about China's plans for Petro-Yuan is appreciated,
Plus the real excuse was to open it so if the US attacked Iran they could point the finger and claim it was all due to the Iranian Oil Bourse about to destroy the dollar.
Don't blame your own cowardice on Iran dude. US will get nailed if attacked Iran.
Iran the baby child? Oh really, come now!

Ahhhh Ok. American bitches cried when they saw Iranians on top of their heads. Don't get excited with my sarcasm
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hahhhhah look at Americans in Hijab :

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"Collapsing" word doesn't suit.

It is losing it's dominance, if you want it to collapse, you need to destroy all of USA's infrastructures. So "Collapsing" looks a bit illogical.

were did it loose dominance?

The whole world trade is done in Uncle Sams $$$ and it is used in bigger numbers than ever befor...

you wanna hurt US ...
what you think happens to the rest of the world if big pharma industry is stop selling medicin to the noobs trying to hurt $..

Just to think about.... the world pharma industry is COMPLETELY in western hands...
ONLY ONE of the 50 biggest pharma concernc is NOT part of the western aliance...
on rank 32 is one pharma concern from India...
all other in the top50
are from USA, Swiss, Germany, France, UK, Japan, Netherlands, Israel, south africa, Irland, Canada, Italy and Denmark..

No more Aspirin for the headach after dreaming to much about $ destruction... :sarcastic:
 
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Because it simply joins a long list of hyped up
“Dollar killers” that did absolutely
nothing. Plus we have to add in all the other supposed dollar killers like Iraq and Libya.

Why doesn't the dollar just roll over and die just because so many wish this? Could it be be that the fat lazy Murrikans actually work hard to create the economic engine for the world economy? May be? :D
 
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@Chinese-Dragon @ChineseTiger1986

Guys, any information about China's plans for Petro-Yuan is appreciated,
Please realize that any futures-based contract not backed by the actual commodity is a derivative that depends on pricing from another market where the commodity actually can be delivered on demand.

Otherwise, when push comes to shove, all that will be delivered is money - dollars or gold - and the futures holder will simply be told to buy his commodity elsewhere. And if the money provided by the exchange isn't sufficient to buy the goods then that's just too bad.

BTW, the Nationalists tried similar tricks with preferred gold-back certificates in the closing days of their rule on the mainland. The result was a fall in their own currency that robbed the middle classes of their savings and thus accelerated the collapse of the Nationalist regime.
 
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Ahhhh Ok. American bitches cried when they saw Iranians on top of their heads. Don't get excited with my sarcasm

Oh I agree with you that Murrikans are fat, lazy and easy to get crying. Surely Iran will have no problems standing up to and destroying such a cowardly country. Why wait for China then? Go for it!

Or, give these weekly threads predicting the death of the dollar a rest. Please do consider this.
 
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Oh I agree with you that Murrikans are fat, lazy and easy to get crying. Surely Iran will have no problems standing up to and destroying such a cowardly country. Why wait for China then? Go for it!

Or, give these weekly threads predicting the death of the dollar a rest. Please do consider this.
Added to my enemy list sir. Don't quote me again. You are an embarrassment for the name you have chosen for you account.
Please realize that any futures-based contract not backed by the actual commodity is a derivative that depends on pricing from another market where the commodity actually can be delivered on demand.

Otherwise, when push comes to shove, all that will be delivered is money - dollars or gold - and the futures holder will simply be told to buy his commodity elsewhere. And if the money provided by the exchange isn't sufficient to buy the goods then that's just too bad.

BTW, the Nationalists tried similar tricks with preferred gold-back certificates in the closing days of their rule on the mainland. The result was a fall in their own currency that robbed the middle classes of their savings and thus accelerated the collapse of the Nationalist regime.
Petro-dollar is losing it's place, especially after KSA's rapprochement to China's oil industries.

We shall see, future will show us whether dollar dominance ends with appearance of a serious rival or it can ignore this challenge.
 
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Petro-dollar is losing it's place, especially after KSA's rapprochement to China's oil industries.
People have to have reasons to not just transact but hold onto something other than dollars for the dollar to start yielding its place as the world's default currency. That can't happen until China is willing to issue and honor external debt in renminbi and has built a trustworthy record of such transactions. China only started issuing foreign sovereign debt last year (fifteen to twenty-five years later than they could have, in my opinion). And these were only one-year bonds, so that's not going to do the trick.

It seems a lot tougher for Chinese to learn this monetary stuff than it is for Chinese to learn to manufacture world-class products. I don't know why but it's been a slow learning curve.
 
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@Syed.Ali.Haider You want to me to undo? :pleasantry:
I hate Americans to the core, not to mention. A savage leadership that justifies her wars/destructions to keep it's economy alive. And most of that nationality agreed with the savagery of their leadership. Americans are the most disgraceful and savage folks in the whole world, however there are plenty of exceptions but at least in this forum they proved their animal/inhumane face.

BTW, and on-topic, i know little about China's plans but i am sure that neither them nor us, cannot continue with dollar's dominance. Sanctions are always available to threaten our countries. Read this source
https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-accuses-chinese-banks-but-treads-lightly-1512388800
http://fortune.com/2017/11/07/north-korea-sanctions-chinese-banks/
https://www.ft.com/content/8ea8698c-97d9-11e7-a652-cde3f882dd7b
Not even China is safe.

About KSA, Selling ARAMCO to western companies has made it more complicated, among OPEC members they have the greatest share of the oil production in world market. So China obviously will try to bring them in her own sphere, slowly but surely

@Solomon2 You left a logical comment, i hope a Chinese dude responds to it.
People have to have reasons to not just transact but hold onto something other than dollars for the dollar to start yielding its place as the world's default currency. That can't happen until China is willing to issue and honor external debt in renminbi and has built a trustworthy record of such transactions. China only started issuing foreign sovereign debt last year (fifteen to twenty-five years later than they could have, in my opinion). And these were only one-year bonds, so that's not going to do the trick.
 
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