Peshawar school attackers mostly Pakistan nationals: DG ISPR!

[Winchester]

PTI is not Pashtun. Their most senior politicians are either Punjabis or Urdu-speakers

Pervaiz Khattack is a Punjabi???
I don't recall PTI Punjab making that call ???

 

[Norwegian]

Please find a source better than Wikipedia and if you can't, at least be a bit logical. The attacks that happened before were all to do either with the Palestinian occupation or with Shia-Sunni tussle that only intensified after the Iranian revolution. None of them were by people claiming to be blowing themselves up because Islam was under attack.

Hezbollah, Hamas, Al-Qaida, Taliban all were formed in the 80's and 90's. Israel-Arab conflict has been ongoing since 1947 and even earlier. Why it took 40 years before Islamic terrorist groups started emerging like locusts?

So insurgency in your grand opinion is Jihad? then how about the Buddhist Jihad in Vietnam against the US or Atheist Jihad in Eastern Europe against the Soviets? sounds ridiculous doesn't it?

These were "nationalistic" non-religious "jihads" against the occupiers, not religiously motivated clerics bent on imposing Shariah!

Go tell CIA, apparently you know stuff that they don't.

LOL

Good Taliban are the ones fighting for the freedom of their country in Afghanistan. Bad Taliban are those fighting the state of Pakistan. I am only concerned with the bad ones, the good ones we don't need to bother.

No. Good taliban imposed Shariah in Afghanistan when they took Kabul. There was no such thing as freedom when they built Emirate of Afghanistan and ran it like a rogue regime and a failed state:
Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

As for eradication, I don't think they will ever go away completely as long as the causes are there.

What causes? Islamic causes are not just causes

Double game is the norm, as said General Durrani.

Sure. Pakistan has been playing double and even triple games for decades.

TNSM has been there since the 1990s and they were never violent. The whole Pakistani Taliban episode started after Pakistan Army went into tribal areas and the Lal Masjid operation exacerbated the situation.

Sure they were violent. After they started bombing our schools, churches, police stations. If that's not violence, then what is? TTP started its activities in response to Pakistan's fight against terror which they deemed as helping US, the infidels

Accident or assassination? we don't know for sure.

Accident!

Taliban were not insurgents at the time, they were in the government controlling the capital, albeit not a recognised government. Northern Alliance took up arms to liberate country from Taliban? thats rather joke of the year !

LOL. Northern Alliance were at least Afghans. Talibans were just Islamic trolls trying to impose Shariah in Afghanistan.

Indian RAW and American CIA say the have the proofs, its the claimant who produces the proof.

True. They had the proof that Bin Laden was hiding inside Pakistan

East Pakistan was and Balochistan and Tribal Areas are part of Pakistan. Kashmir on the other hand is a disputed territory between Pakistan and India as agreed by Indians themselves. See the difference?

India doesn't see its part of Kashmir as a disputed territory

Yes the tribals were savages and the Dogras were angels. Good point.

Tribals were attacking their Kashmiri brethren. Can you tell me which "liberators" do such things?

Middle East countries are ruled by a bunch of filthy dictators all supported by the West, who strangle any dissent or freedom. See Egypt for example. Or Saudi Arabia. Oh and yes, there is a hell hole called Israel, the existence of which itself doesn't really help in bringing free, democratic governments in ME, who would be answerable to their people.

By far, Israel is the only Western democracy in the Middle East where even Israeli Arabs get their rightful share of power. List of Arab members of Israeli Parliament here:
List of Arab members of the Knesset - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Very convenient right?

Sure!

I am not talking about the massacre, I am talking about gibberish regarding the nationalities of attackers.

Yes, the attackers were not afghans, tajiks, uzbeks or indians. They were Pakistanis!

 

[RescueRanger]

I know two families personally whose kids were killed in the attack.

So do I, and potentially others on this forum too. Don't assume please! Thank you

 

[TankMan]

I am not talking about the massacre, I am talking about gibberish regarding the nationalities of attackers.

It is an important part of the attack. I understand why you would disagree with some of the assertions made based on the attackers' nationality, but discrediting the entire subject isn't the right approach.

 

[Yousafzai_M]

Hezbollah, Hamas, Al-Qaida, Taliban all were formed in the 80's and 90's. Israel-Arab conflict has been ongoing since 1947 and even earlier. Why it took 40 years before Islamic terrorist groups started emerging like locusts?

Wikipedia yet again,

Hezbollah was formed as a resistance movement after the invasion of Lebanon by Israel. Hamas was formed during the first Intifada. Before that was the 1973 war, before that was the 1967 war and before that was the 1948 war and during these wars the regular Arab militaries were beaten up and all the Arab states signed peace accords with Israel, basically saying they can't fight anymore.

Al-Qaida was formed in Afghanistan to fight off the Soviets and so were Taliban. You mentioned in your previous post the meeting of US president with the Taliban. Are you going against your own argument?

These were "nationalistic" non-religious "jihads" against the occupiers, not religiously motivated clerics bent on imposing Shariah!


LOL

Not all the Islamist movements are for imposing Sharia, Hezbollah for example or Hamas. Taliban and IS claim they want to impose Sharia but thats more of a political tactic to sell their side of the story. And there is nothing wrong by the way with a group of people wanting to impose Sharia, as long as its peaceful implementation and people are up for it. Freedom, remember?

No. Good taliban imposed Shariah in Afghanistan when they took Kabul. There was no such thing as freedom when they built Emirate of Afghanistan and ran it like a rogue regime and a failed state:
Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Good Taliban brought a thing that was missing in Afghanistan for more than 20 years and that is security and ended the decade of civil war in large parts of the country. This was the reason they had a large following. Together with the fact they represented the Pashtun majority population. Its not that Afghanistan was a free democratic land of milk and honey and Taliban messed it all up.

You do need to broaden your mind a bit to see things in their perspective.

What causes? Islamic causes are not just causes

There is no Islamic cause for an individual or a group of individuals to wage a war, in fact Islam calls it 'fasaad'. I was rather referring to causes like illiteracy, poverty, lack of opportunities, lack of freedom, intolerance in society etc.

Sure. Pakistan has been playing double and even triple games for decades.

I salute Army and ISI for that, assuming its indeed true.

Sure they were violent. After they started bombing our schools, churches, police stations. If that's not violence, then what is? TTP started its activities in response to Pakistan's fight against terror which they deemed as helping US, the infidels

Give me an example where the TNSM were violent before 9/11? they did protest asking for imposition of Sharia law in Swat but the only incident I can remember was them blocking the runway of Saidu Sharif airport.

TTP started its activities once the farce of 'war on terror' come into being, which was after 9/11 - exactly as I said before.

Accident!

Accident or assassination, either way its good riddance.

LOL. Northern Alliance were at least Afghans. Talibans were just Islamic trolls trying to impose Shariah in Afghanistan.

Yes and Taliban were not Afghans, they just parachuted from the skies. I agree.

True. They had the proof that Bin Laden was hiding inside Pakistan

But no proof of Pakistan's involvement in terrorist attacks in India? that was the original question posed to you.

India doesn't see its part of Kashmir as a disputed territory

Sure,they see our part of Kashmir as disputed. I am not the judge.

Tribals were attacking their Kashmiri brethren. Can you tell me which "liberators" do such things?

I don't have any knowledge about the particular subject but I don't believe that is true unless you provide me with a source. Something better than Wikipedia please.

By far, Israel is the only Western democracy in the Middle East where even Israeli Arabs get their rightful share of power. List of Arab members of Israeli Parliament here:
List of Arab members of the Knesset - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I never compared the democracy of Israel with the non-existent democracies of its Arab neighbours. I answered your question regarding why ME is in turmoil.

Yes, the attackers were not afghans, tajiks, uzbeks or indians. They were Pakistanis!

I didn't deny there were no Pakistanis involved. I was pointing out the fact this thread was opened only to provide an opportunity for mudslinging against Pakistan.

P.S Can you please stop the smiley faces and 'LOL', it doesn't fit with the discussion so its rather stupid and besides, its feminine

 

[I.R.A]

The problem with Pakistanis is that for them religion comes first before anything else including nationality and the same sentiments could be interpreted in many different ways (seeing fellow Muslim countrymen as infidels therefore they deserv to die) and could be exploited (if so-called foreign agents are involved) to cause mayhem inside Pakistan. Someone here mentioned Iran. In Iran, even for the most conservative muslims, the country comes first as seen in this very own forum so they will never involve in such a barbaric attack against their own people.

Would have been better if you kept your little sorry a$$ out of this..................... who made you the expert on Pakistanis or Pakistan's affairs? The real problem of guys like you is their hypocrisy............... If it was not for Pakistan's help your Lanka would still be a hell hole...........................

Awww God how dumb one could be, to twist his arguments and keep going after a religion to mock it. Hypocrite say it in plain simple words that you have got problem with Islam, it is not your sympathy for Pakistan that you are here on this thread it is your hatred for Islam and Muslims that brought you here.

No, I don't support it, I just don't understand why you whine so much about it? If ISI is involved in funding terror and separatism inside India, why its so difficult to acknowledge that India can also do the same in Pakistan? If you want India to stop terrorism inside Pak, you must ask our ISI to stop doing the same in India. One-sided blame game won't solve anything!

I have really started to doubt your Pakistani flag dude............................. I asked you before and I ask you again which place did you visit Pakistan when you were here? You skipped this debate last time when you blamed Pakistanis as a failed Nation. Any sensible Pakistani won't say what you have been saying in your posts.

 

[vsdave2302]

PHOTO: REUTERS

ISLAMABAD: Most of the 27 militants who planned an attack on an army-run school in Peshawar on December 16, 2014, which killed 150 people, including 132 students, were Pakistani, revealed military spokesperson Asim Bajwa on Thursday.

Revealing details about the attack, DG ISPR said that nine militants were killed, while 12 were arrested. Six of the 12 were arrested from Afghanistan. The remaining six militants are on the loose.

While addressing a press briefing in Islamabad, Bajwa said 176 ‘hardcore’ terrorists have been killed since December 16. According to him, 1,942 intelligence-based operations were carried out across the country, killing 176 hardcore terrorists. More than 5,000 of them were also apprehended.

Bajwa also said the attack was planned across the border in Afghanistan. Asif and Haji Kamran were later given the charge of the entire operation later, and went on to form two separate groups to execute the attack, added Bajwa.

Mullah Fazlullah

“The planning was done by Mullah Fazlullah and Aurangzaib alias Omar Amin,” he said. “Both are hiding in Afghanistan.” The DG ISPR said that once caught, the repatriation or killing of Mullah Fazlullah is Pakistan’s number one demand, and that they were receiving a response in this regard from across the border.
“This point is being raised in every meeting… he’s a recognised terrorist…we are optimistic and hopeful…”

Bajwa said coordination with the Afghan government had improved in recent months, and thanked the Afghan government to eliminate the communication gaps.

“The terrorists were initially taking advantage of the communication gap,” he said. “Now the coordination has improved.”

India supports TTP

Responding to a question, DG IPSR said that there should be no hesitation in saying that there has been Indian involvement in Pakistan’s affairs, be it LoC violations, or support to the Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan in Fata or elements in Balochistan.
It is time for the world to do more for Pakistan, he said, adding that external support to the militants should end.
“Pakistani forces are determined to eliminate terrorism.”

‘Pakistan did not have any role in harbouring al Qaeda chief’

Commenting on an interview of former ISI chief General (retd) Asad Durrani, during which he said Pakistan probably knew the whereabouts of Osama Bin Laden, Bajwa said it has been established beyond doubt that Pakistan did not have any role in harbouring the al Qaeda chief.
“He (Asad Durrani) retired 30 years ago, and does not represent the agency… he does not have any intelligence or information,” Bajwa said.

Military courts
Commenting on military courts, the army spokesperson argued that the legal process has begun after scrutiny from the respective interior ministries.
“No one has objected to punishment of these terrorists…they have distorted our religion, and have disgraced us across the world. There is a consensus that they should be punished.”
Those being tried are among the ones who slaughtered 13 FC soldiers, as well as numerous NGO workers, he added.

Phew! Thanks DG ISPR for revealing this deeply buried open-secret!

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After blaming others, after all the truth is accepted. I hope that nomore new conspiracy theory shall emerge.

 

[I.R.A]

Yeah sure ISI supported terrorist Afghan Taliban until 9/11 happened and they started a war against the same people who were previously "good terrorists". In response TTP was born

How ignorant one could be of the ground realities to support his argument pathetic. Sigh

 

[OrionHunter]

Responding to a question, DG IPSR said that there should be no hesitation in saying that there has been Indian involvement in Pakistan’s affairs, be it LoC violations, or support to the Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan in Fata or elements in Balochistan.

Sheeesh! The same old blah blah like a broken record.

And he says nothing about the proxy war that the PA has been conducting against India for the past three decades with its mercenary yahoos of the LeT, JeM, HuM etc? Two can play the game, right?

So the Pakistan Establishment must stop bellyaching.

 

[Bratva]

After blaming others, after all the truth is accepted. I hope that nomore new conspiracy theory shall emerge.

this truth ?

Responding to a question, DG ISPR said that there should be no hesitation in saying that there has been Indian involvement in Pakistan’s affairs, be it LoC violations, or support to the Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan in Fata or elements in Balochistan.

Sheeesh! The same old blah blah like a broken record.

And he says nothing about the proxy war that the PA has been conducting against India for the past three decades with its mercenary yahoos of the LeT, JeM, HuM etc? Two can play the game, right?

So down from to conspiracy theories to Pakistani wet dreams of Indian involvement to blah blah eh

 

[I.R.A]

This good terrorist bad terrorist, Afghan, Pakistani Taliban, pre and post-9/11 you're oversimplifying.
To blame like that is to miss out key details and definitive elements of the story. A few facts, questions rather for you to consider before making your judgement:

What is the difference between the TTP and Afghan Taliban, and some sub factions?
What is the difference between the Afghan Taliban post-9/11 and 90's era?
What was the political landscape of Afghanistan at the time, right from the exit of the Soviets, carrying into the Njibullah government, and the two civil wars? I can tell you that people ruled Kabul once that made Taliban look like fairies and saints.
Origins of the taliban in 1994 and the reasons for their widespread support and successful campaign.
Who are the Northern Alliance and what is their significance in post Soviet Afghanistan and whom do they represent and who do they hold grudges with?
Ethnic and sectarian colours to the conflict, right from the civil war, till today? The time of the soviet invasion, seeds were sown once again of an old divide between people, triggered between mistrust and betrayal between opposing factions and tribes.
How did the US' change the conflict?
How did the presence of foreign troops once again, change the entire equation not just over there, but in Pakistan too.

Answer even half of these questions adequately and you would not so confidently blame the ISI, trust me.

Thank you..............

 

[vsdave2302]

this truth ?

Responding to a question, DG ISPR said that there should be no hesitation in saying that there has been Indian involvement in Pakistan’s affairs, be it LoC violations, or support to the Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan in Fata or elements in Balochistan.

I am talking about killing of children. LOC violation is not new. Both country blames each other. If you have any proof of indian involvement than expose India to International community.

Yes, Do not quote a random article of any American as a proof.

 

[I.R.A]

Personally based on internet as my source I have witnessed two sets of pictures of these cowards who attacked children in Peshawar. One is where they are shown killed and one is TTP's own version where they are alive. These two sets hardly resemble each other.

By going through the one showing them as killed, one would have no doubt that except for one or two all others were foreigners, and by going through the TTP's provided pictures one can have no doubt that all them were Pakistanis.

That is my personal observation. For the rest of the topic Pakistani or no Pakistani, I fail to understand like most of the Pakistanis that how these goons can plan their attacks so effectively without a margin of error? How they manage their logistics and funding? The GHQ attack, Sri Lankan cricket team attack, Mehran base attack, attacks on ISI establishments and the one where they killed mountaineers way up north. All these attacks are impossible to be planned by TTP itself. This matter is not that simple to conclude by just saying that attackers were Pakistanis or they were foreigners.

 

[Bratva]

I am talking about killing of children. LOC violation is not new. Both country blames each other. If you have any proof of indian involvement than expose India to International community.

Yes, Do not quote a random article of any American as a proof.

What kind of proof ? Ever thought about did USSR able to proof PAK-USA involvement in Afghan Jihad or Indians proved Pakistan involvement in Kashmir in 90's ?

 

[vsdave2302]

What kind of proof ? Ever thought about did USSR able to proof PAK-USA involvement in Afghan Jihad or Indians proved Pakistan involvement in Kashmir in 90's ?

You are confused. Let your government state that India is involved and produce the proof.