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OR disobedience!Good, now we're getting there. So if someone's choice needs respect.. then how do we decide that what Islamic values are the choice they will choose as their values? Hence my objection at the rather open interpretation of Islamic values. What are these? Because if at the end of having Islam as a core subject from primary school till University we still are not on Islamic values.. clearly choices being made are from incorrect information.
No.
Encouraging people to read Holy Quran with translation and understand its message is important. Simply reading it in its original language is waste of time and effort unless a person understands the original language itself. In addition, knowledge of teachings and character of Holy Prophet (PBUH) is also important. Many in Pakistan don't bother reading Holy Quran with translation and also don't bother reading Islamic history. This is as much fault of the parents as it is of so-called religious instructors who don't bother explain the message of Holy Quran and impart knowledge of way of life and teachings of prophets to students.
Understanding Islam and its tenets is important for Muslims. They cannot be good practitioners otherwise.
Also, what do you mean by "praying like arabs" remark? Do arabs pray in a special way? All Muslims should pray to Allah Almighty, repent for their misdeeds and seek his forgiveness and guidance towards the right path. The code of conduct of prayer is same for all Muslims.
Good, now we're getting there. So if someone's choice needs respect.. then how do we decide that what Islamic values are the choice they will choose as their values? Hence my objection at the rather open interpretation of Islamic values. What are these? Because if at the end of having Islam as a core subject from primary school till University we still are not on Islamic values.. clearly choices being made are from incorrect information.
Get real man and stop talking nonsense.Prayer leaders? Are you kidding me? Islam must be outlawed in Pakistan!
Last bit is lack of knowledge or understanding...Ok, fair enough.. do people get the choice to study it or it just happens regardless? Because that is what is happening with the Federal and Provincial education boards. They all have their translations and "how to read arabic" areas.. seems to have none of the effect you seem to imply it would.
Its not that I disagree with what you insist on, its the HOW of it I find no roadway to..
As for the Arab praying.. I point to the increase in the number of people who just switched their shalwar qameez for a thawb..and started clasping their hands on their chest instead of their waist.. Sure.. they are doing the whole pray to god routine and so on.. but what changed their minds about a thawb being more effective at it instead of say Levis and a T-Shirt?
Ok, fair enough.. do people get the choice to study it or it just happens regardless? Because that is what is happening with the Federal and Provincial education boards. They all have their translations and "how to read arabic" areas.. seems to have none of the effect you seem to imply it would.
Its not that I disagree with what you insist on, its the HOW of it I find no roadway to..
As for the Arab praying.. I point to the increase in the number of people who just switched their shalwar qameez for a thawb..and started clasping their hands on their chest instead of their waist.. Sure.. they are doing the whole pray to god routine and so on.. but what changed their minds about a thawb being more effective at it instead of say Levis and a T-Shirt?
Dear brothers and sisters if I can make a humble request. Could we possibly discuss philosophical ideas on another thread and leave this for the tragedy that has occurred?
You still haven't presented a mechanism. Also, Sufism is too diverse to be labelled as an ideology (please don't tell me you deliberately made this mistake, it's rather - like Machaivelli, shoddy). You also don't have to be a Sufi to oppose such barbarism.
Now that is a new twistAfghan Taliban releases statement condemning attack on Pakistani school
By THOMAS JOSCELYN
December 16, 2014
The Afghan Taliban has released a statement, attributed to "Zabihullah Mujahid," the group's official spokesman, condemning the Movement of the Taliban in Pakistan's attack on the Army Public School in Peshawar today.
The statement was released on the Afghan Taliban's official Urdu website. The Pakistani Taliban is not named in the short statement, but the Afghan Taliban says it expresses "sorrow over the tragedy and grief for the families of the victims."
"Innocent men, women and children were killed intentionally" and this is against "Islamic principles." The Afghan Taliban claims it has "always condemned the killing of innocent people and children."
Of course, the Afghan Taliban regularly kills innocent people. For example, the United Nations reported in July that there were approximately 4,853 civilian casualties in Afghanistan in the first six months of 2014. The UN attributed 74 percent of these casualties to anti-government elements, including the Taliban, and said that the "onus" was on the Taliban and other anti-government forces to reduce civilian casualties.
Still the Afghan Taliban, led by Mullah Omar, has been attempting to avoid high-profile attacks on civilians. In a message celebrating the end of Ramadan earlier this year, Omar stressed, "Every caution should be taken to protect life and property of the public during [jihadist] operations, so that, God forbid, someone is harmed." Omar said that the Taliban's "Department of Prevention of Civilian Casualties should seriously pay attention to its task to prevent civilian casualties." [See LWJ report, Analysis: Mullah Omar addresses governance of Afghanistan, war against 'invaders' in new message.]
Omar's speech shows that the Afghan Taliban is sensitive to the criticism that its operations cause far more damage to civilians than its opponents do. Like al Qaeda and other jihadist groups, the Afghan Taliban is attempting to win additional hearts and minds for its cause. And the attack on the school in Peshawar, where dozens of children were slaughtered, will likely reduce, not increase, popular support for the jihadists' goals.
The inner workings of the relationship between the Afghan and Pakistani Taliban groups are not clear. The Pakistani Taliban and its leader, Mullah Fazlullah, are openly loyal to Mullah Omar.
In October, for instance, several Pakistani Taliban commanders reportedly swore bayat (oath of allegiance) to the Islamic State's Abu Bakr al Baghdadi, thereby breaking their previous allegiance to Omar. The circumstances surrounding this defection remain murky. [See LWJreport, Discord dissolves Pakistani Taliban coalition.]
However, the Pakistani Taliban released a statement saying that Mullah Fazlullah had previously pledged his organization's loyalty to the "Emir of the Believers Mullah Muhammad Omar." This was a not so subtle indication that that Pakistani Taliban's existing leadership was not going to break ranks with the Afghan Taliban leader in favor of Baghdadi.
It remains to be seen if the Afghan Taliban's condemnation of the school assault has any additional ramifications, or is merely rhetoric.
The whole thing about prayer positions and what to wear when praying is a fiqh issue and something even the Mad'habs differ over. It's as Arab as the Hanafi position.
If you want to bring up the existence of Najdism/Wahabism in Pakistan as an "Arab" import, then please do so. Being derogative isn't the way to do so.