Peshawar Massacre - TTP kills hundreds of school kids (Avoid graphic pics/vids)

[Dubious]

Still not deep enough, close.. but not deep enough. All these multiple pronged attacks ignore the idea that the tool the devils advocates have overrules whatever dunia-deen mixture you throw at them.

The ONLY reason they have overruled is coz we havent curbed idiots ...

Every peer from the back alley thinks he is an expert and because people cant read they rely on him to relay the msg! And all he relays is BS!

 

[SQ8]

The ONLY reason they have overruled is coz we havent curbed idiots ...

Every peer from the back alley thinks he is an expert and because people cant read they rely on him to relay the msg! And all he relays is BS!

How many idiots will you curb? your own post is an oxymoron if you read it.

 

[LeGenD]

I know a ISIS supporter who topped the best University here, did his MS from the UK.. and today wants to send all those that dont agree with him to hell.
Here's your education.

Unless and Until you tackle the core cause.. i.e. the cancer within this religion.. you can build all the schools for education or create all the jobs for money....and you'll still be at square one.

A few bad apples do not underscore the importance of educating the nation on religious as well as worldly matters.

Terrorist acts occur even in the most developed of the nations. Doesn't means that they should stop investing billions on education.

The cancer within the religion can be addressed by creating many Islamic scholars who can incur genuine Islamic knowledge in the masses, promote Islamic values on cultural level through media on consistent basis, and take measures to counter external cultural influence on the society.

Pakistani nation doesn't have a proper identity at the moment and have lost touch of Islamic ways, thanks to lack of attention given to cultivate a proper Islamic culture in the nation.

 

[Ahiska]

This is just another Russian Beslan revisited in Pakistan this year. In both cases, terrorists were Islamist nutjobs and victims, innocent schoolchildren. Endgoals were of course political which were never achievable by non-violent means.

I dont want to try to justify what happened in Beslan but the situation there was much different.
Chechens went for the school because they thought that Russia would kill its own civillians if they would be held captive (which they did in the end)
And after everything that happened in Chechnya (im from the Caucasus) it is understandable why they went to the school.
(That doesnt excuse their crime of killing children for which they will burn in hell)

 

[Dubious]

How many idiots will you curb? your own post is an oxymoron if you read it.

"Curb" a few in the market square and many other chickens wont be seen on social media...You just need to instill the amount of terror they are instilling in others!

 

[Kashmiri Nationalist]

Good, so we now have a strawman that we agree on. Talk shows do little, what is required is the systematic elimination of the proponents.. but more importantly.. a counter ideology that has the same base..but different wavelength. Essentially, just as with a forest fire.. you can drop all the smothering agents..but the flames dont stop rolling until you burn out a section of the forest ahead of it with fire itself.

The strawman was your miscronstruing my argument to suggest I didn't support taking on the idealogy, not the merits of actually doing so.

You still fail to offer a mechanism for the "systematic elimination of the proponents" and the promotion of a counter-idealogy. By God, wouldn't an adequate system of education be an appropriate mechanism?

Separately the very notion of being able to promote a counter-idealogy is flawed: people aren't monotonous. They won't follow everything you tell them. Encourage critical thinking, and allow them to be educated - they will find the flaws in Takfirism themselves (there exists a plethora of academic literature), and reject such barbarism. It doesn't matter if you're a socialist or capitalist, you can condemn it.

 

[SQ8]

A few bad apples do not underscore the importance of educating the nation on religious as well as worldly matters.

Terrorist acts occur even in the most developed of the nations. Doesn't means that they should stop investing billions on education.

The cancer within the religion can be addressed by creating many Islamic scholars who can incur genuine Islamic knowledge in the masses, promote Islamic values on cultural level through media on consistent basis, and take measures to counter external cultural influence on the society.

Pakistani nation doesn't have a proper identity at the moment and have lost touch of Islamic ways, thanks to lack of attention given to cultivate a proper Islamic culture in the nation.

What Islamic ways? What the heck are these?
Do these consist of praying like the Arabs do? Having a Gutteral accent when reciting the Quran? Wearing a thawb and calling yourself Abu Khalid Ibn Rathore?

 

[Selous]

I am aware but those who are lighting are they aware? Like I said in my other post....Wouldnt fatiha do more good to our children than a candle?

Fathiha and dua is what the people are supposed to be doing...but if the people knew any better we might have not had this tragedy.

 

[SQ8]

"Curb" a few in the market square and many other chickens wont be seen on social media...You just need to instill the amount of terror they are instilling in others!

Now you're talking on my page.. and Ill give you the same question you posed to me.. what makes you think that curbing those in the market square will not make the chickens more emboldened?

You are talking about a highly addictive drug

 

[Kashmiri Nationalist]

That is a common mistake, the Sufi inspired ideaology is rapidly being replaced with the Wahabi/Deobandi ideals. And the reason it going so fast is because they started out with infecting the two most gullible of classes; the lower and upper.

Actually, no. The vast majority of Pakistanis aren't Wahabis, neither are the majority Deobandis. Sure, the former is on the rise, but to suggest it will completely overtake the religious character of a nation of around 200 million is a spurious stretch.

 

[Dubious]

Now you're talking on my page.. and Ill give you the same question you posed to me.. what makes you think that curbing those in the market square will not make the chickens more emboldened?

You are talking about a highly addictive drug

picking in my brain are we? Damn @Oscar you have advantage of the day while its 12 midnight here ...

Well, how can they become bold? Remember we are talking about the devil who gets his minions to do their work....So bold is too much to be used for them!

Hang a few Mullahs + a few terrorists and see their network fall ...Chickens are too small these are turkeys in disguise! Dont honour them with boldness!

 

[SQ8]

The strawman was your miscronstruing my argument to suggest I didn't support taking on the idealogy, not the merits of actually doing so.

You still fail to offer a mechanism for the "systematic elimination of the proponents" and the promotion of a counter-idealogy. By God, wouldn't an adequate system of education be an appropriate mechanism?

Separately the very notion of being able to promote a counter-idealogy is flawed: people aren't monotonous. They won't follow everything you tell them. Encourage critical thinking, and allow them to be educated - they will find the flaws in Takfirism themselves (there exists a plethora of academic literature), and reject such barbarism. It doesn't matter if you're a socialist or capitalist, you can condemn it.

Patience.
The systematic elimination starts with the ways of propagation; the internet is the first stop.. then the curriculum and teachers themselves at Madressas/mosques..and so on.
The counter ideology, is the best part.. it aleady exists.. it already worked.. its the Sufi ideals you referred to. The only issue there is that this ideology has been left to rot and ruin.. without support.

 

[Secur]

I don't want to doubt you but you sound biased

Of course I do, 132+ children have been killed by the religious terrorists, do you expect me to praise them or look for logical reasons for them doing so? Or start defending the Taliban of Afghanistan despite knowing their ideology and actions well enough?

Not to mention, various parliamentary briefs to Yousaf Reza Gilani and he presenting evidence to Manmohan Singh....

Rumors/hearsay again. Seriously what is with you people taking the "talks in drawing room and at the corner of the street" seriously? The state of Pakistan has never once officially blamed any foreign country for this Taliban menace, except blaming the Afghans for providing shelter to first tier leadership of TTP.

P.S. How are zakat fundings converted to weapons and terrorists you ask. How many emotional Pakistanis do even investigate where they are giving the money to? There are different Jihadi organizations active only in this city Karachi, collecting money in name of different Muslim countries in the which receive a large portion of the yearly religious zakat, not to mention all sorts of other donations, openly. I can only imagine, the situation in the other parts of the country where illiteracy is high and people rely on Mullahs for everything thats going on with their lives!

 

[Meengla]

FOLKS!!
Time to 're-educate' the 'masses' is gone. Time to 'remove Madrassas' is gone. Time to 'negotiate' is gone.
But time HAS BEEN ripe for quite some time to:
1) Make a Govt of National Consensus for the next 10 Years
2) Evacuate Entire FATA into some 'camps' with utmost respect to innocent people. They ARE our own people!
3) Treat people in the 'camps' with respect but only allow carefully selected people out. Keep the rest in isolation. Go General Sherman through FATA after the evacuation!
4) Duplicate #2,#3 all our Pakistan where there is suspicion of large concentration of hostiles. Regardless of ethnicities.

But, according to ISPR itself, FATA is the source of 90% or more of terrorism inside Pakistan. AND TODAY'S SCHOOL ATTACK IN PESHAWAR WAS NOT A COINCIDENCE! THEY WOULD HAVE ATTACKED KARACHI IF FATA WAS NEXT TO KARACHI!!

 

[Secur]

Targeting the ideology + effective military operations + targeting the external factors = success.

Prescribe something then yourself.