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Persecution of Ahmadis in Pakistan contradicts the teachings of Islam

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Ma'am when Rasool Allah (saw) allowed Christians to worship their god and in a Masjid, then who are you to tell one sect to not visit Mecca for the hajj purpose?
Ma'am with due respect, don't make Islam way too hard for others to follow.
Who am I to make islam difficult for others . Everyone got aqal by Allah subhanu. Use this .

Just like christians and Hindus are not allowed to perform haj . Scholars of Islam also agree on this issue that ahmadiya teachings are against islam and pakistan agrees that they shouldn't be allowed since their belief contradicts purpose of haj and islam .
 
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This hypocracy... Its all over my beloved country. The very idea that there is a fund for hajj but no fund for yatra of Hindus or other religious groups to visit their places of worship is in itself wrong. There is more than enough shoving religion into the mouth of the people in Pakistan but I don't know where these mullahs want to take Pakistan since despite oppressing Ahmedis for decades they are still not content with the situation. They want to impose even more religion, and that also their narrow minded version rather than seeking equality among all Pakistanis regardless of religion/sect/ethnicity.

They abandon no opportunity to advocate for a pure Islamic state when they themselves don't know what that means. They demonize the secular system and spend every strand of strength working for an narrow minded, and according to their own close minded interpretations, "Islamic Pakistan." Secularists are demonized though they can never answer the question when they will be satisfied if they are not satisfied with the current setup. There is no satisfying the mullah. He will never be content. If they say we couldn't impose Islam after 60 years with these kinds of rules they will never succeed in a thousand years and will keep blaming us secularists for their own faults.

Other than this a person has to testify that he is not an Ahmedi when applying to renew the passport. He has to abuse Ahmedis to get a passport. Narrow minded mullahs have full control of the nation but they won't be satisfied unless there is even worse, daily riots, terrorism and murder in the streets of Pakistan. Still they will say they need pure version of Islam in Pakistan.

This is a disease and it has taken hold in Pakistan.

1. There is a fund for hajj because Islam is the state religion, we don't have to nor should we fund the pilgrimages of other religions.

2. Having a pure Islamic state would be good for Pakistan. Look at other countries where they have one (or at least attempt to have one) such as Saudi Arabia or Qatar. They are doing very well for themselves, it wouldn't hurt for us to become more Islamic.

3. Calling Ahmedis Kuffar is not abuse, it's a fact.

4. I agree, our Mullahs can be a bit crazy, but ultimately many of them do strive to spread a good message.
 
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Who am I to make islam difficult for others . Everyone got aqal by Allah subhanu. Use this

Using it so I said you stop giving fatwas.
No hard feelings. :)

ot allowed to perform haj . Scholars of Islam also agree on this issue that ahmadiya teachings are against islam and pakistan agrees that they shouldn't be allowed since their belief contradicts purpose of haj and islam .

Christian don't claim to be Muslim. This sect does and wether they are muslism or not is a different question. But you can't stop someone to go on hajj. That is not the teaching of Rasool Allah (saw).
 
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Most of the Anti Ahmadi posters have just uttered lies. I know them to be lies because half of them can be just googled to be proven wrong. Now the question I have had for a long time in my heart is, what kind of truth do you invite me to that needs the support of lies to fight against it? Aur phir apnay aap ko aash e Rasul (saw) kehte hai. What a joke, Islam says speak truth even at the pain of death, yahan saray jhoot ke bazar garm kiyay huai hai aur kehte hai aashiq e rasool (saw) apne aap ko. Maaf karo, aise mazhab jo tumhe jhoot bolne sikhata hai apne paas he rakho.

Here's multiple lies of mr. Mirza. :)


https://m.facebook.com/notes/ummati...-fonder-of-ahmadi-movement/10152555231764918/
 
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Using it so I said you stop giving fatwas.
No hard feelings. :)



Christian don't claim to be Muslim. This sect does and wether they are muslism or not is a different question. But you can't stop someone to go on hajj. That is not the teaching of Rasool Allah (saw).

Tell this to government who requires you to sign a forum that you don't accept mirza as last prophet saww . : )
Using it so I said you stop giving fatwas.
No hard feelings. :)

If ahmadis can give fatwas that we muslims aren't not true muslims cause we don't believe in Qadiani . Then why all crime on us
 
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Tell this to government who requires you to sign a forum that you don't accept mirza as last prophet saww . : )

So that proves your point to stop this sect going on hajj? Seriously?

If ahmadis can give fatwas that we muslims aren't not true muslims cause we don't believe in Qadiani . Then why all crime on us

That's so irrational of you. Two wrongs don't make one right. If they are doing so you are gonna do it too?

Rather proving your faith in words show in your actions. That is teachings from Rasool Allah (saw) life.

Peace
 
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1. There is a fund for hajj because Islam is the state religion, we don't have to nor should we fund the pilgrimages of other religions.

2. Having a pure Islamic state would be good for Pakistan. Look at other countries where they have one (or at least attempt to have one) such as Saudi Arabia or Qatar. They are doing very well for themselves, it wouldn't hurt for us to become more Islamic.

3. Calling Ahmedis Kuffar is not abuse, it's a fact.

4. I agree, our Mullahs can be a bit crazy, but ultimately many of them do strive to spread a good message.
We dont have a homogenious state like Saudi nor are we super rich if we turn ourself into a theocratic state we will turn into Somalia
 
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I have been extremely civil.

Till now.

Good intentions are reserved for those you like.

No you haven't. The brief encounters I have had with you have displayed your ignorance, lack of respect, and down right stupidity. Just because you hide under a sheat of manners does not mean I can't see your true intentions or feelings.
 
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As for the topic:

1. The issue cannot and must not be settled with violence.
2. The issue is in two prongs, political and financial for the Mullah class on both sides.
3. Theologicial for the Mullah and intellectual class on both sides.

A. Theologically, the dispute all stems from the proclamation of Prophethood by Mirza Qadiyani. That is the report, the overwhelming ideal heard from those that oppose the sect. If that is not so, then there can be a clear proclamation that it is not so by ALL leaders of the Qadiyani sect and it will essentially END any basis for theological dispute on the status of the Qadiyani sect as Muslims or not. Since there have been MANY people who have gone and proclaimed themselves as Mahdi ro reformer and there is no ill will or otherwise against them until they start assoicating divinity with themselves.

B. So far, the greater rhetoric has been purely political and financial from both sides and at no point has ANY Qadiyani leader publicly declared their status of belief. Until that is clear, theories will continue to be propogated that will continue to incite people of lesser knowledge for whatever purpose.

C. If the Qadiyanis do claim that by some theologicial idea that Mirza Ghulam was a Prophet and a continuation, then there is no precedent by basic ideal of collective studies and majoirty that the are Muslims and hence must accept that status of non-Muslims; a status that provides for them all the rights of a state. But within that, they are bound to not create civil agitation by continueing to proclaim themselves as Muslims.

D. The Qadiyani sect is NOT the only group to be in this prophethood controversy(Ghali Shia sect) but it is the only group with well documented support from western nations and relies heavily on the support to survive. While this may or may not be a bad thing, it does not assist their reputation with other muslims.
 
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We dont have a homogenious state like Saudi nor are we super rich if we turn ourself into a theocratic state we will turn into Somalia

No we won't. We need a proper Islamic government. That doesn't mean executions left right and centre, that means obeying proper Islamic laws and enforcing them.
 
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