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Islamic and Arab States Should Have Security Council Seats
Islamic and Arab States Should Have Security Council Seats, Says Pakistan | CNSnews.com

As governments consider the divisive issue of remodeling the United Nations Security Council to reflect 21st century realities, Pakistan has reiterated its view that the council should include seats earmarked for the world’s Islamic and Arab states.

Pakistan’s ambassador, Abdullah Hussain Haroon, told a closed meeting at U.N. headquarters in New York this week that the Organization of the Islamic Conference (OIC) and the Arab League “have clear demands for representation in an enlarged council,” according to reports in Pakistani media.

“In line with new realities, it is important to increase interaction with and to embed the role of regional organizations in a Security Council of the future,” Haroon was quoted as saying.

Chaired by Afghanistan’s ambassador, a process of intergovernmental negotiations on Security Council reform is currently moving through a fifth round of talks, the previous four rounds having achieved little beyond highlighting the many differences among individual states and groups of states.

While most concur that reform is necessary, competing agendas and regional rivalries have long stymied any agreement on how to do it.

The council’s permanent membership (P5) largely reflects the balance of power at the end of World War II – the U.S., Britain, France, Russia and China, which in 1971 took the seat previously held by Taiwan. All five have the power to veto council decisions.

Another 10 rotating seats are held by member states elected by the 192-member General Assembly for two-year stints. They do not have veto power.

Launched more than 15 years ago but given new life in 2005 by a broad push to reform the U.N., the process of modernizing the Security Council has settled on five key issues – categories of membership, the veto question, regional representation, the size of an enlarged council and its working methods, and the relationship between the council and the General Assembly.

Various models put forward since 2005 envisage enlarging the council’s non-permanent membership by another 10 or so countries. Some want additional permanent members too, but differences persist over whether or not they should have veto power.

The proposed models generally call for greater permanent representation for Africa and Asia. Most of the OIC’s 56 member states and all of the Arab League’s 22 members fall into those two regional groups.

Several ac-hoc groupings have formed to promote some models and oppose others.

The so-called group of four (G4) – India, Japan, Germany and Brazil – all want permanent seats and are supporting each other’s bids. They have agreed to forfeit veto power, given the open or implied opposition of the P5 to having more countries with the veto.

The African Union wants new permanent seats – at least two of them for African countries – but with veto power.

A group of mid-sized states known as the “Uniting for Consensus” coalition oppose calls for more permanent seats, not least of all because coalition members Pakistan, Italy and South Korea are reluctant to see India, Germany and Japan respectively in those seats. Instead they have called for 10 new non-permanent seats to join the current 10, for a total council membership of 25.

Of the current P5, Britain has supported the G4 candidacies as well as permanent seats for Africa. Russia and France have voiced support for India’s bid. China has hinted at possible support for India, but opposes Japan’s aspirations.

The United States has generally been wary about expanding the permanent membership.

The Bush administration openly supported only Japan’s bid, arguing that adding any more than “one or two” new permanent members would make it unwieldy, with consensus even harder to achieve than it is now.

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton early this month hinted that the Obama administration would also back India for a permanent council seat, if and when there was movement on the issue.

Islamic states consist of more than 1 billion people and yet no permanent U.N. seat for any Muslim state. So it
is about time to consider a permanent U.N. seat for Islamic states. If USA is willing to support India then Uncle SAM should also offer the same deal to Pakistan.
Recently USA has been acting very bias when dealing with India and Pakistan : USA has offered Nuke Deal and transferring high tech military technology to India but nothing to Pakistan even when pakistani soldiers are dying everyday helping USA to fight Al Qaeda.
 
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the islamic states are not unified, dont think alike, at one end there is dictatorship, one has king ruling, one has mullah rule, one has dead person ruling, one has zardari ruling????, dont think so... so called islamic states is a mixture of socialism, liberalism, secularism, islamism, mullahism etc
 
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Islamic states consist of more than 1 billion people and yet no permanent U.N. seat for any Muslim state. So it
is about time to consider a permanent U.N. seat for Islamic states. If USA is willing to support India then Uncle SAM should also offer the same deal to Pakistan.
Recently USA has been acting very bias when dealing with India and Pakistan : USA has offered Nuke Deal and transferring high tech military technology to India but nothing to Pakistan even when pakistani soldiers are dying everyday helping USA to fight Al Qaeda.

UNSC is not about represengtation of religion.It is charged with the maintenance of international peace and security. Its powers, outlined in the United Nations Charter, include the establishment of peacekeeping operations, the establishment of international sanctions, and the authorization of military action. Its powers are exercised through United Nations Security Council Resolutions.

So,the religion card will not work.
 
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If USA is willing to support India then Uncle SAM should also offer the same deal to Pakistan.
Recently USA has been acting very bias when dealing with India and Pakistan : USA has offered Nuke Deal and transferring high tech military technology to India but nothing to Pakistan even when pakistani soldiers are dying everyday helping USA to fight Al Qaeda.

Sorry bro, but your above stuff is like younger son complaining to father about elder brother, you gave him pen and I got a pencil, you gave him red shining shirt and I got the regular white shirt...

No offence pls.:yahoo:
 
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The Arab League though can have a case, because, the Arab nations are ethnically linguistically, homogeneous, and their combined economies would be formidable.
 
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the islamic states are not unified, dont think alike, at one end there is dictatorship, one has king ruling, one has mullah rule, one has dead person ruling, one has zardari ruling????, dont think so... so called islamic states is a mixture of socialism, liberalism, secularism, islamism, mullahism etc

Sam, purely from an academic interest point of view, which is the country with the 'dead person ruling'?
 
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Gents,

The Islamic states can, should, and already have something similar to the UNSC, at the regional level. Before the Iran-Iraq War, there was a consensus among the regional powers to support Iraq to contain Iranian expansion. But the region's powers failed when Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait and the Islamic states required external assistance. Bottom line is that before the Islamic states can credibly argue for UNSC representation, there has to be a credible demonstration of the Islamic states' ability to exercise self police and nation-states stability. Given the fact that several Islamic states are teetering on collapse and that a rogue organization called 'al-Qaeda' is claiming to speak for all muslims, do not expect UNSC representation any time soon.
 
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The only Islamic country that could get the seat is Turkey given that it is a member of NATO and has close relations with the EU as well as its strategic location.
 
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the islamic states are not unified, dont think alike, at one end there is dictatorship, one has king ruling, one has mullah rule, one has dead person ruling, one has zardari ruling????, dont think so... so called islamic states is a mixture of socialism, liberalism, secularism, islamism, mullahism etc

lol..which state has a dead person ruling??
 
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The only Islamic country that could get the seat is Turkey given that it is a member of NATO and has close relations with the EU as well as its strategic location.

So a country has to be Western-centric or an ally of the West to be considered to be qualified to get a permanent U.N. seat ?
 
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So a country has to be Western-centric or an ally of the West to be considered to be qualified to get a permanent U.N. seat ?

Not necessarily, but tell me why Pakistan should be considered as the 'Islamic candidate' (if the issue of UNSC seat for Muslim nations is brought up).

Turkey is much more developed in human development, technology, and most importantly, international image. So I would say, even if the point of a Muslim nation being permanent member comes up, Turkey would be the ideal candidate.
 
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Islamic states consist of more than 1 billion people and yet no permanent U.N. seat for any Muslim state. So it
is about time to consider a permanent U.N. seat for Islamic states. If USA is willing to support India then Uncle SAM should also offer the same deal to Pakistan.
Recently USA has been acting very bias when dealing with India and Pakistan : USA has offered Nuke Deal and transferring high tech military technology to India but nothing to Pakistan even when pakistani soldiers are dying everyday helping USA to fight Al Qaeda.

"If India is offered lollipop,we Pakistan also need lollipop,we Pakistan always stand for tit for tat"

Grow up dude,weather u like it or not,ready to accept it or not,India is an influential global power and Pakistan is nowhere in reckon when it is about influence.So dont try to cry for a U.N seat because India is also offered the same

About OIC,a block which is involved with fighting with each other,cannot aspire to ask for a seat,it will bombarded by its own members.
 
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When you think about the UN security council it is really funny. No Islamic country, no South Asian country, no African country, no Oceanic country, no Latin American country.

Also keep in mind that the only non "Western country" on the council, China, has single-digit vetoes.

What a nice and democratic world we live in.
 
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"If India is offered lollipop,we Pakistan also need lollipop,we Pakistan always stand for tit for tat"

Grow up dude,weather u like it or not,ready to accept it or not,India is an influential global power and Pakistan is nowhere in reckon when it is about influence.So dont try to cry for a U.N seat because India is also offered the same

About OIC,a block which is involved with fighting with each other,cannot aspire to ask for a seat,it will bombarded by its own members.

Spot on about the difference between India and Pakistan. Pakistan needs to come to terms with the AFPAK hyphenation as of today, and stop making silly statements trying to equate to India.

As an additional note, isn't it interesting that Pakistanis always try to bring in the religion card and moan about 'Muslims not having representation', but by the same logic, we can simply say that India, being the only Hindu majority state, also deserves a seat on religious grounds - after all, there are about as many Muslims as Hindus worldwide. But no, according to them, Muslims deserve representation, but not the Kaafir Hindus.

Anyway this bogus religion card is not going to work. It is all about economy, hard power and future growth projections, on the basis of which the UN restructuring will take place.
 
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