Peak Feminism: Sexual Favors For Free Housing

[Asim B.]

Pakistan

This thread never was about Pakistan until you brought up Pakistan.

Secondly, women in Britain have far more "rights" than women in Pakistan. Laws in Britain favour women over men in many cases. Has this protected them from sexual exploitation?

Has this stopped them from offering their bodies in return for resources from powerful men? Only to be subjected to sexual violence, disease, and burden of children born out of wedlock.

Whereas if she was married, or with her father, or brother and under their protection, would she be exploited like this? This natural protection of a woman, her family, Feminism has destroyed it.

 

[TheLahoriGuy]

@TMA



You're asking others to "be man enough" while you yourself are answering straightforward questions like a meesna/weasel! Bataye aap, is the Shariah wrong?

You're entire post reeks of hypocrisy and useless jargon which will not fool anyone.

Wtf even if that question ? If I asked you "is Pakistani law wrong" , what would you say ?
As an individual who are you to say if a law is "wrong" or "right" ? A better question would be do I AGREE with Sharia law , and to that I say.

NO.

Now please man up, and answer my question.

 

[Asim B.]

No

Yes

Yes

Since you set yourself up for it now answer me how exactly can a man naturally get pregnant and give birth to children?


Also why are you against 5 year old generals? Do you hate children?

Now please, yes or no.

Men and women are biologically different. We think different. We react differently. We behave differently. These differences are inherent. Therefore men and women are not the same.

 

[TMA]

Is the Sharia wrong ?
Don't know.
The question I am asking is simple and on a much more personal level. Whether you like my wording is irrelevant because that won't change the facts. So I'll ask once more on an even simpler manner.

Do you think men and women should have equal rights. Yes or no.

Of course it matters if you think Sharia is true or false? Why on earth would it not? As if one accepts the Sharia to be true then it becomes the yardstick to measure by.
I think men and women (those who claim to be Muslims) should be treated accordingly to the Sharia where this system of Law is in place (I cannot find this in any country as of yet). In some regards men have more rights and in other regards women have more rights. Men and women ought to be treated equally unless there are explicit Sharia laws which suggest to the contrary.

Having said this I also understand the Sharia has many matters of jurisprudence which have come about from ijtihad by scholars of old and new and their rulings are not always to be held to be binding everywhere and everyplace. But only scholars who are trained ought to critique other scholars.


Do you think the Sharia is true or not? I am asking you on a personal level? or rather do you agree with it? If not why not?

 

[TheLahoriGuy]

Since you set yourself up for it now answer me how exactly can a man naturally get pregnant and give birth to children?


Also why are you against 5 year old generals? Do you hate children?

Bro please , you're just making a fool out of yourself now asking about 5 year old generals and pregnant men.

Answer the question or come clean that you dont have the courage to answer (which is what I'll assume if flip flop in your reply again).

 

[Asim B.]

Bro please , you're just making a fool out of yourself now asking about 5 year old generals and pregnant men.

But I'm using your logic. So you admit that you have a foolish mentality?

And I'm still interested in why you think men can naturally get pregnant and give birth.

Answer the question or come clean that you dont have the courage to answer (which is what I'll assume if flip flop in your reply again).

I already did. Check my reply.

 

[TheLahoriGuy]

Of course it matters if you think Sharia is true or false? Why on earth would it not? As if one accepts the Sharia to be true then it becomes the yardstick to measure by.
I think men and women (those who claim to be Muslims) should be treated accordingly to the Sharia where this system of Law is in place (I cannot find this in any country as of yet). In some regards men have more rights and in other regards women have more rights. Men and women ought to be treated equally unless there are explicit Sharia laws which suggest to the contrary.

Having said this I also understand the Sharia has many matters of jurisprudence which have come about from ijtihad by scholars of old and new and their rulings are not always to be held to be binding everywhere and everyplace. But only scholars who are trained ought to critique other scholars.


Do you think the Sharia is true or not? I am asking you on a personal level? or rather do you agree with it? If not why not?

Do I agree with it or not ? Ofcourse not (see this is how you answer). Why not ?
Because my morals do not allow me agree with a system that awards you rights based on what genitals you were born with or what religion your family followed prior to your birth.

But I'm using your logic. So you admit the you have a foolish mentality?

And I'm still interested in why you think men can naturally get pregnant and give birth.


I already did. Check my reply.

It's a yes or no question lad. Pick one.

 

[Asim B.]

It's a yes or no question lad. Pick one.

You need to elaborate what exactly your question is.

 

[TheLahoriGuy]

You need to elaborate what exactly your question is.

There's no elaboration needed my friend. It's no apples or oranges. Its two humanoid beings born with separate reproductive organs. Should they be given equal rights or not ?

 

[Pakistani E]

This thread never was about Pakistan until you brought up Pakistan.

Secondly, women in Britain have far more "rights" than women in Pakistan. Laws in Britain favour women over men in many cases. Has this protected them from sexual exploitation?

Has this stopped them from offering their bodies in return for resources from powerful men? Only to be subjected to sexual violence, disease, and burden of children born out of wedlock.

Whereas if she was married, or with her father, or brother and under their protection, would she be exploited like this? This natural protection of a woman, her family, Feminism has destroyed it.

The source used in the OP also had nothing to do with Feminism, but it didn't stop you or whoever it was from writing/posting it.

For the rest of your answer, refer to post #100. And what if the one abusing a woman is a close relation. What then?

So then would you agree that the only solution would be an Islamic system where perverted men and the women who use their sexuality to manipulate men would both be severely punished?

And every woman would be required to go outside with a mahram to prevent sexual predators from exploiting her?

Or am I now a 12 century Mullah for proposing common sense?

I respect Islamic traditions and try to follow them when I can but I don't trust humans.

This issue mentioned in the OP had complex reasoning behind it, and no doubt one is indeed the lack of support for women after winning economical freedom as it leaves many open to exploitation. How the issue of the perverted men was completely side stepped is indeed a miracle of its own.

But since this thread is based on diverting the topic, I will do so as well and deduce it to a foolishly simple argument. It is not simply a question of having a man there to protect a woman or provide for her. Many cases of abuse involve close family relations. How does a woman prove that a close family relation is abusing her in the context that you are referring to?

 

[Asim B.]

There's no elaboration needed my friend. It's no apples or oranges. Its two humanoid beings born with separate reproductive organs. Should they be given equal rights or not ?

That's the only difference between men and women?

So a woman is just a man with a vagina and two breasts?

And a man is just a woman with a penis and flat chest?

Which science book did you read?

Sorry but I'm not going to waste my time answering a childish question.

 

[Metanoia]

Wtf even if that question ? If I asked you "is Pakistani law wrong" , what would you say ?
As an individual who are you to say if a law is "wrong" or "right" ? A better question would be do I AGREE with Sharia law , and to that I say.

NO.

Now please man up, and answer my question.

Shariah is vastly based on Quran, if I am not mistaken the testimony bit is derived directly from the Quran. So you don't agree with this aspect of Shariah?

“…And get two witnesses out of your own men. And if there are not two men (available), then a man and two women, such as you agree for witnesses, so that if one of them (two women) errs, the other can remind her…”
[al-Baqarah 2:282]


In regards to your second question:
“Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allaah has made one of them to excel the other, and because they spend (to support them) from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in the husband’s absence what Allaah orders them to guard (e.g. their chastity and their husband’s property)”
Surah Nisa Ch4. Verse.34


There are a lot of authentic and verified traditions as well from both, the school of Ahlul Bayt and Sunnism which detail the matter under discussion. May God forgive me if I am erring somewhere.

 

[El Sidd]

Guys i would appreciate it if you guys Leave the discussion on religion.

 

[Asim B.]

The source used in the OP also had nothing to do with Feminism, but it didn't stop you or whoever it was from writing/posting it.

For the rest of your answer, refer to post #100. And what if the one abusing a woman is a close relation. What then?

The source in the OP was used to do demonstrate that Feminism has only compounded sexual exploitation of women.

For the rest of your answer, refer to post #100. And what if the one abusing a woman is a close relation. What then?

So how many sons, fathers, brothers, husband's do you personally know who sexually exploit their own daughters, wives, sisters, and mothers?

I'm not saying that it doesn't happen, which it does, and it's wrong. But it is not common. Most rape cases, even those that turn out to be false rape accusations, involve people who are not related in some kind of familial bond.

I can personally count three people who I know that were involved in rape cases, one of which turned out to be false accusation (I already mentioned it in an earlier post on this thread). In all three cases however the common denominator was the absence of a father figure in the personal lives of those girls. One of the girls' mothers was a divorcee while the other two were born out of wedlock due to multiple sexual relations their mothers had.

 

[TMA]

Do I agree with it or not ? Ofcourse not (see this is how you answer). Why not ?
Because my morals do not allow me agree with a system that awards you rights based on what genitals you were born with or what religion your family followed prior to your birth.



It's a yes or no question lad. Pick one.

What if I said to you that creator of Man and Woman has decided upon certain laws regarding both Men and Women where in certain situations they are not equal. What would you say to this? (If you believe in God and divine revelation etc etc etc, I presume so since most Pakistanis do).

Also where do you get your morals from?
I could say my morals allow for this system where Men and Women are treated differently. Are my morals correct and your's wrong or vice versa?