"....pay for your ancestors' sins" #BeingMusliminIndia

[GURU DUTT]

He is talking about converting Indian Muslims into Hinduism so that we can finish stupid religious wars.If Indian muslims did gharwaprsi enmasse then BD and Pak also follows.

well its called creating paranoia so to create confussion and sell your goods in panic but they forget no one buys rotten appels no matter how great is panic but then we should show them some sympathy as they are now gasping on deathbed well at least "their so called idea of nation hood" if you know what i mean

 

[adil_minhas]

Its very amusing to see people of sub continent make big claims, when historically it only took a private company (a corporate) to subjugate their forefathers ..... remember a private company and not a country


“What honour is left to us?” asked a Mughal official named Narayan Singh, shortly after 1765, “when we have to take orders from a handful of traders who have not yet learned to wash their bottoms?”

It was not the British government that seized India, but a private company, run by an unstable sociopath

We still talk about the British conquering India, but that phrase disguises a more sinister reality. It was not the British government that seized India at the end of the 18th century, but a dangerously unregulated private company headquartered in one small office, five windows wide, in London, and managed in India by an unstable sociopath – Clive.

In many ways the EIC was a model of corporate efficiency: 100 years into its history, it had only 35 permanent employees in its head office. Nevertheless, that skeleton staff executed a corporate coup unparalleled in history: the military conquest, subjugation and plunder of vast tracts of southern Asia. "

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The actual crown came in nearly a century later.

When they realized what chus the Company was making of them.

P.S. Beesee, look at the number of your post. Yahan mere rongte khade ho gaye!

 

[SrNair]

Yup,, VERY educated behavior trying to justify the atrocities of the Hindu extremists on minorities. All based on religion and race!! Glad that I am not that “educated”, will prefer being human over this kind of “educated”.

WHAT IS WRONG IS WRONG, whether it is China, India or Saudi Arabia doing it. I opposed that, I oppose this, even though as per a secular democratic standards I should be free to do as I please and support or oppose what I want but thankfully I am not secular so will follow the same rules. What is happening in India is a reflection of how “shining” it really is and the response of people like yourself, trying to justify the discrimination in name of politics and what not is something I fail to explain in words!!

Do you know how ridiculous are your opinion?

We have Muslim politicians in here that declares we can chop the heads of entire hindus in India .
Does anything happen in here ?I am an Indian AFAIK that guy us still remain in political field .Neither Muslims nor Hindus gives two hoot about it .
Because they knows the politics .
Divisive ,Communal or religious ,whatever it is .
We know our system and we also knows our politicians and politics .
Onr decade ego ,this problem was severe ,now it becomes mild.
How ?
Because of education and awareness.

 

[A.A. Khan]

Indian muslims need to understand they should find ONE Voice immediately that speaks for all of them and their economic, individual, political, community rights

Mohammad Ali Jinnah quotes from 1938/39 speeches

"We want our rights and we would only get our rights when the community with one voice, demands it. The times have changed and the new constitution is in operation in the provinces. Muslims are in a minority in seven provinces and it is a matter of great humiliation that the N.W.F.Province has also been won over by the Congress. It must teach us a lesson. The Frontier Province is a predominantly Muslim province, 95 percent of the population being Muslims, but the Congress is ruling that province and the orders are issued from Wardha are carried out by the Frontier Government. This shows the depth of our degradation and inaction. The fact remains that the Congress is in power in seven provinces and the decisions are taken there by the majority which is invariably Hindu.

It is, to all intents and purposes, therefore, "Hindu Raj" and we must remember that the Congress has only got limited autonomy now. Delhi is yet far away. The Hindus can do whatever they like.

Continuing in the same strain Mr. Jinnah declared emphatically, "We are now, by the actual working of the Provincial Autonomy, convinced that our necks, which are in the grip of the Congress, are not safe." Mr. Jinnah referred in this connection to the singing of Bande Mataram song in the Provincial Legislatures which he regarded smelt of idolatry and was a war cry against Muslims as a whole. He was terrified to think of the future and declared "I am raising the alarm bell. The flames are raging. It is your business to take care."

Hindustani in schools
Proceeding he referred to what he called the compulsory introduction of Hindi Hindustani in the schools of all the Congress provinces and expressed the opinion that it would sound the death knell of Muslim culture and language and would prove suicidal for their children as well. Having enumerated his numerous grievances, Mr. Jinnah declared that they wanted to fight for their constitutional rights. He traced the history of the non-cooperation movement of 1921 and said how the Muslims, in the name of independence and Khilafat made heroic sacrifices which contributed to the present strength of the Congress. The Aligarh University was closed although not a single student of the Benares University joined the movement. Thus, their dearest institution was disbanded and what did the Congress give in return to the sacrifices of the Muslims? They presented us the 'Nehru Report', which you know, was universally condemned by the Muslims.

Concluding, Mr. Jinnah said that even if all the Muslims in India joined the Congress they would remain there in a minority. The only way of saving the Muslims was that they should rally round their flag and speak with one voice.

'I am confident, he added, 'that with your help and cooperation I will be able to make the Muslim League the Parliament of 80 million Muslims of India. Then alone I will give you a reply to the question as to what I am going to do with regard to Shahidganj and Palestine'.

 

[HRK]

Isn't Pakistan also responsible for this, as Pakistan closed the borders before people could move-in?

no Sir, plz read about it ....

 

[Arsalan]

Do you know how ridiculous are your opinion?

We have Muslim politicians in here that declares we can chop the heads of entire hindus in India .
Does anything happen in here ?I am an Indian AFAIK that guy us still remain in political field .Neither Muslims nor Hindus gives two hoot about it .
Because they knows the politics .
Divisive ,Communal or religious ,whatever it is .
We know our system and we also knows our politicians and politics .
Onr decade ego ,this problem was severe ,now it becomes mild.
How ?
Because of education and awareness.

So cry about it when you see me appreciating those Muslim politicians!!
UNless that happens, you may want to reevaluate your pathetic approach to justify these attrocities happening in India. As i said, WHAT IS WRONG IS WRONG, no matter who is doing it. Justifying and giving excuses of such injustice just based on religion and race is inhumane, whoever is doing it!!

well its called creating paranoia so to create confussion and sell your goods in panic but they forget no one buys rotten appels no matter how great is panic but then we should show them some sympathy as they are now gasping on deathbed well at least "their so called idea of nation hood" if you know what i mean

Welcome back. I see time have had absolutely no positive effect on your maturity and you continue post the same pointless and senseless things you used to post earlier. Putting the blame of your own follies on others and convincing yourself that soon the resistance to your atrocities will die and imagining it on deathbed for YEARS!! Oppression will have the same feedback, ALWAYS!! Unless this is realized we are just running around in circles here, much like you blame the admins here but still come back the full circle, back to the forum.

 

[HRK]

the last thing Muslims of India need is any expressions or displays of sympathies from Pakistanis .

so whats wrong .... his wish is granted, what is left to debate ....??

You mean you aren't already playing an active role in undermining our sovereignty ?Right from Kashmir to the Bombay bomb blasts in 1993 to 26/11 , where in pursuance of your perverse aims , all documented and well established apart from being accepted by the established powers , if this isn't interference , what is ?So , please spare us your displays of outraged innocence or pious criticisms .There's nothing you haven't tried since independence to make common cause with Indian muslims , only to be rebuffed time & again .

There's this video of Maulana Madani confronting Parvez Musharraf in this very thread that your compatriots are using as a stick to beat him with .Perhaps , if you heard him out , you'd realise that the last thing Muslims of India need is any expressions or displays of sympathies from Pakistanis .

Are we to understand that the leadership of muslims from the sub continent us now vests in Pakistani Punjabis of all people .That's laughable .



The fact of the matter is you still seem to be seeking some sort of validation for your creation , 70 years after partition .This and several other threads littering this forum are ample proof of it .The condition of Indian muslims is least on your minds or conscience .What you derive from these displays of indignities are vicarious pleasure , the equivalent of - " I told you so " moment .

If Pakistan were so serious about being interested in the condition of Indian muslims they'd be like Israel - the only other ideological state in the world ,created to house people of only one faith , and have the equivalence of "aaliyah" or homecoming for Muslims from anywhere in the sub continent at any time .
Do you have such a policy? - no.
Will you have such a policy? - no.
You haven't even taken back the nearly half a million stateless urdu speakers of Bihari origin in Bangladesh , who against all odds sided with you against the local Bengalis , only to pay a heavy price post independence .

After burnishing your credentials , the way you have , you think Indian muslims will take you or your displays of concern seriously !!

P.S - The internet is full of videos of Hindus in Pakistan being coerced into accepting Islam or registering complaints about how they've been intimidated from observing their faith , or worse about complaints on how females are abducted , converted and married against their will.How come that doesn't prick your conscience ?

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you can carry on ...

 

[ito]

Secular democratic shining India.


Do the Indian members, the sane ones, have absolutely any justification for this intolerance and injustice?

This will fade. India has always been welcoming and diverse. That is what majority of Indians believe.

 

[A.A. Khan]

This will fade. India has always been welcoming and diverse. That is what majority of Indians believe.

more like swept under the carpet with the hindutva laws passed and established as state laws with some muslims murdered, most of their muslim communities thrown [displaced] from the area for their property to be distributed to the hindus.

 

[ito]

more like swept under the carpet with the hindutva laws passed and established as state laws with some muslims murdered, most of their muslim communities thrown [displaced] from the area for their property to be distributed to the hindus.

No law has been passed. With Yogi winning some fringe groups have become active. In the end law will prevail.

 

[Arsalan]

This will fade. India has always been welcoming and diverse. That is what majority of Indians believe.

Then those majority of Indians should stand up against such acts of violence and discrimination. They must do it now before there are any more losses!!

 

[MULUBJA]

Indian Muslims have Hindu ancestry so title is misleading.

 

[Mughal-Prince]

Where did you get the value of 400 million Muslims from?

That is true they underquote Muslims from the beginning and they are doing it purposefully. I had meet an Indian Muslim in mid 90's, he was on a family reunion trip. He told me the same as Indian officially quote less than half of their muslim community and rest they show as hindus. There are at least 36% of Indian population is Muslim.

Indian Muslims have Hindu ancestry so title is misleading.

No not all of them!

 

[ito]

Then those majority of Indians should stand up against such acts of violence and discrimination. They must do it now before there are any more losses!!

There has been no violence until now. Only threats.

 

[MULUBJA]

That is true they underquote Muslims from the beginning and they are doing it purposefully. I had meet an Indian Muslim in mid 90's, he was on a family reunion trip. He told me the same as Indian officially quote less than half of their muslim community and rest they show as hindus. There are at least 36% of Indian population is Muslim.



No not all of them!

Yes may be 1 or 2% may not have such as Bukhari and others who were imported to subcontinent because subcontinent Muslims were not considered true Muslims and so they were imported from Islamic countries to be maulanas and Mullahs.