Passing out Parade of 141th Long Course e.t.c held at Kakul , 4th April 2020 .

[Chand mukhra]

lately been working with foreigners modifying custom Roms and noticed none was good in English and all of them were using their own language and creating apk's within minutes. something clicked my mind why not experiment with desi people. so I did 2 experiment with 10 kids. one in English and one in Urdu. with English only 1 of them was able to type some lines but in Urdu almost 7 were able to pick up within minute.
you are talking something you did in past but time has changed. problem with you guys dont except other ides. you guys like to come up with conclusion without listening, testing, excepting...etc. won't argue with you but I see people like you dont want nation to progress. you want them to take it or die.
people like want them to create steps for them and guide them to right direction then its up to them if the want to sharper their skills with different languages. and I am not against learning any language. all im saying creating steps to catch up because time and technology has changed and we are far behind.
but people like you will always discourage people not to progress.
but I under stand your point khan sahib

 

[Blacklight]

What a bullcrap---this language broke us apart in south asia---w - e pakistan

Bhutto & Yahya, Mujib comes in third.

lately been working with foreigners modifying custom Roms and noticed none was good in English and all of them were using their own language and creating apk's within minutes. something clicked my mind why not experiment with desi people. so I did 2 experiment with 10 kids. one in English and one in Urdu. with English only 1 of them was able to type some lines but in Urdu almost 7 were able to pick up within minute.
you are talking something you did in past but time has changed. problem with you guys dont except other ides. you guys like to come up with conclusion without listening, testing, excepting...etc. won't argue with you but I see people like you dont want nation to progress. you want them to take it or die.
people like want them to create steps for them and guide them to right direction then its up to them if the want to sharper their skills with different languages. and I am not against learning any language. all im saying creating steps to catch up because time and technology has changed and we are far behind.
but people like you will always discourage people not to progress.
but I under stand your point khan sahib

What you have said refers to NLP. That obviously will be faster in ones own native language.

On the other hand, if one wants to educate especially to PhD level, and in R&D then English it has to be.

Hope you understand the difference.

 

[H. Dawary]

Hi,

Better learn the language if you want to progress---.

URDU is a wasteful and a useless language---. It is best suited for poetry---so let it stay where it is---. It is not the language of my elders---even though we speak it as urdu speaking natives---.

We should also start teaching chinese and spanish at the ground level starting from children---.

Would you be okay with Pakistan's national language be changed to Farsi? This was the regions language before the arrival of the British.

 

[jamal18]

dont take me wrong but I wish pak army stop using English. they need to communicate in Urdu. I believe there might be many many soldiers who can not progress due to language barrier even they might be highly talented. same applies to IT/engineering fields. they need to translate everything in Urdu just like Chinese, Russian, German, Italian, French did. trust me this will be a game change for country.
sorry if I ruined your thread. just trying to bring up positive point.

My God, another jahil Mullah! Don't you know that English is the language of God? Remember, there is no progress without English. Apart from of course every country in Europe, all of South America and Japan, Korea and China.

My God man, what are you thinking of? True, every other country finds Pakistanis slavery to the English language vomit inducingly sychophantic, but the world will end if Pakistanis stop worshipping English.

Moderator, ban this jahil.

 

[Chand mukhra]

Bhutto & Yahya, Mujib comes in third.


What you have said refers to NLP. That obviously will be faster in ones own native language.

On the other hand, if one wants to educate especially to PhD level, and in R&D then English it has to be.

Hope you understand the difference.

yes I understand that and once average or low end people start to understand the concept it will become easy for them to go further and learn in any language will become easy for them. again im not against learning English but trying to setup platform for our people which people like mastan khan never did and dont want to setup and cannot see average or low end people progression. they are the real enemy of the country. they won't setup platform for you. they want to you to swim or die but won't show you how to make a boat, swim or provider safety gears
because of people like them we are far behind. now time has changed and technology and we are far behind we need to play smart and setup platform for our nation to catch up. and only way is to utilize our own language.
im very proud of English, Russian, Chinese, French, German, Italian...etc who setup platform for their people in their own language and almost average person can take advantage of it.

 

[Blacklight]

yes I understand that and once average or low end people start to understand the concept it will become easy for them to go further and learn in any language will become easy for them. again im not against learning English but trying to setup platform for our people which people like mastan khan never did and dont want to setup and cannot see average or low end people progression. they are the real enemy of the country. they won't setup platform for you. they want to you to swim or die but won't show you how to make a boat, swim or provider safety gears
because of people like them we are far behind. now time has changed and technology and we are far behind we need to play smart and setup platform for our nation to catch up. and only way is to utilize our own language.
im very proud of English, Russian, Chinese, French, German, Italian...etc who setup platform for their people in their own language and almost average person can take advantage of it.

Brother, I understand what you are saying, that is why I mentioned NLP in my previous post.

 

[Chand mukhra]

Brother, I understand what you are saying, that is why I mentioned NLP in my previous post.

10-4 thanks

 

[MastanKhan]

Would you be okay with Pakistan's national language be changed to Farsi? This was the regions language before the arrival of the British.

We have attained an identity of ourselves---Why would we want to destroy ourselves---.

 

[Chand mukhra]

We have attained an identity of ourselves---Why would we want to destroy ourselves---.

you attained identity and got nice country with self belief but dont trust your self that you can not progress in your native language . why fear that you will be destroyed if stop using English

 

[Crusher]

And here is NLP the pseudoscience proposed by @Chand mukhra exposed,

"
Neuro-linguistic programming (NLP) is a pseudoscientific approach to communication, personal development, and psychotherapy created by Richard Bandler and John Grinder in California, United States, in the 1970s. NLP's creators claim there is a connection between neurological processes (neuro-), language (linguistic) and behavioral patterns learned through experience (programming), and that these can be changed to achieve specific goals in life.[1][2] Bandler and Grinder also claim that NLP methodology can "model" the skills of exceptional people, allowing anyone to acquire those skills.[3][4] They claim as well that, often in a single session, NLP can treat problems such as phobias, depression, tic disorders, psychosomatic illnesses, near-sightedness,[5] allergy, common cold,[6] and learning disorders.[7][8] NLP has been adopted by some hypnotherapists and also by companies that run seminars marketed as leadership training to businesses and government agencies.[9][10]

There is no scientific evidence supporting the claims made by NLP advocates and it has been discredited as a pseudoscience.[11][12][13] Scientific reviews state that NLP is based on outdated metaphors of how the brain works that are inconsistent with current neurological theory and contain numerous factual errors.[10][14] Reviews also found that all of the supportive research on NLP contained significant methodological flaws and that there were three times as many studies of a much higher quality that failed to reproduce the "extraordinary claims" made by Bandler, Grinder, and other NLP practitioners.[12][13]
"
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuro-linguistic_programming

 

[Blacklight]

And here is NLP the pseudoscience proposed by @Chand mukhra exposed,

"
Neuro-linguistic programming (NLP) is a pseudoscientific approach to communication, personal development, and psychotherapy created by Richard Bandler and John Grinder in California, United States, in the 1970s. NLP's creators claim there is a connection between neurological processes (neuro-), language (linguistic) and behavioral patterns learned through experience (programming), and that these can be changed to achieve specific goals in life.[1][2] Bandler and Grinder also claim that NLP methodology can "model" the skills of exceptional people, allowing anyone to acquire those skills.[3][4] They claim as well that, often in a single session, NLP can treat problems such as phobias, depression, tic disorders, psychosomatic illnesses, near-sightedness,[5] allergy, common cold,[6] and learning disorders.[7][8] NLP has been adopted by some hypnotherapists and also by companies that run seminars marketed as leadership training to businesses and government agencies.[9][10]

There is no scientific evidence supporting the claims made by NLP advocates and it has been discredited as a pseudoscience.[11][12][13] Scientific reviews state that NLP is based on outdated metaphors of how the brain works that are inconsistent with current neurological theory and contain numerous factual errors.[10][14] Reviews also found that all of the supportive research on NLP contained significant methodological flaws and that there were three times as many studies of a much higher quality that failed to reproduce the "extraordinary claims" made by Bandler, Grinder, and other NLP practitioners.[12][13]
"
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuro-linguistic_programming

When I was in Ireland, Educators would encourage people from foreign back grounds to converse in their native language at home, can you tell me why?

 

[Crusher]

When I was in Ireland, Educators would encourage people from foreign back grounds to converse in their native language at home, can you tell me why?

Just because they are "irish" doesn't mean that their word is the word of God. If I want to live in Germany, ideally I have to speak German most of the times in Germany.

 

[Blacklight]

Just because they are "irish" doesn't mean that their word is the word of God. If I want to live in Germany, ideally I have to speak German most of the times in Germany.

You missed the point by a mile.Thanks!

 

[H. Dawary]

We have attained an identity of ourselves---Why would we want to destroy ourselves---.

Then which language would you prefer?

I say this mainly because Urdu is close to Hindi, and I learned to understand Urdu (not speak) through Hindi (although I don't understand it that much) from Bollywood, while at the same time whenever I see talk show hosts or news people speak, they change from Urdu to English back and forth.

 

[Khan_21]

Hi,

Better learn the language if you want to progress---.

URDU is a wasteful and a useless language---. It is best suited for poetry---so let it stay where it is---. It is not the language of my elders---even though we speak it as urdu speaking natives---.

We should also start teaching chinese and spanish at the ground level starting from children---.

How many countries developed adopting a language from abroad? Zero.

How many countries progressed speaking their own language? Countless

English is a language and should be taken as such. There is a difference in adopting a foreign language and learning one. English should be learned as a language by our masses not adopted . Your post reeks of inferiority complex.