I'm not going to talk of economic or social terms because that will derail the thread. I say better off because although in India, we have our fair share of lunatics, in the end our society does not create a process of "othering" that you seem to be advocating.
We consider ourselves as 'different', we stand differnt and we got our piece on this very claim, and we are staying different, and no one can do much about it.
If you feel happy in losing your identity go ahead, who stops you, but please dont tell others what to do. They know what they have in their kitties!
This is where you stepped on my "humanity tail".
Thnx for the clarification.
Any society that tells people how they should behave, who they should marry, etc - based on construction of values and culture - goes against Humanist principles. Nay not even humanist, any reasonable, logical, value system. Understand that values and culture are not static, they depend on socio-economic conditions. With time they change.
Oh i know now, so you are the one with the liberal and neo ideas!
Sir! yes we tell people where to marry, what to eat, how to sleep, what to wear, listen, drink, watch etc etc oh i missed this one, we even tell them how to sh!t
And we call it code of life.
Why would the hindus advocate the practice of
sati oopss! another step on the tail, ok it has been discontinued but why there are certain do's and don't in your religion and society? Every nations have it their own traditions and way of life, you cant just go on for a liberation-spree and tell others what to do and not to do! If we like to cover ourselves, what does it bothers you?? If we dont eat pork why would it pinch you? Yes if something is forced upon it is JUST WRONG and neither do we advocate it, but the thing is that if someone has a certain practice and wants to continue with it why the excellency the liberals find it hard to digest?
A Muslim wants to marry a non-Muslim, he may, but then he is no more considered as a 'right' Muslims though i or someone else has no right to declare that, its something between him and his God!
So for you to say that a Muslim marrying a Hindu is not allowed
Yes it is NOT allowed!
Any doubts?
What's the fuss about?
No need it written on a stamp paper, next time bring it along!
For you better assimilation, Muslims can only marry people with the book whom we call
ihlay kitab (the ones who had the 4 Holy Books with them) that to if the other partner first accepts Islam. There is no mid way in that. It simply cant happen that you should start molding and altering the 'rules', no you cant, that's what the difference is all about. You like to change, we dont!( though i'll be commenting in change shortly)
or a Muslim woman can't dress a certain way is ludicrous.
Exactly the same wording: i'll copy paste it:
Yes it is NOT allowed!
Any doubts?
What's the fuss about?
No need it written on a stamp paper, next time bring it along!
No religions allows inter-faith marriages until conversions happen,
Glad you know it, but alas you still missed the better part!
yet people of different faiths do get married.Why?
Yet Muslims drink alcohol.
Yet the hinuds eat meat.
So are they liable to be killed, wrongs happen, if you ignore them it wouldn't change the fact.
Naming it as 'change' and keeping yourself abreast with modern trends would not get the problem solved.
Because value systems framed in middle ages do not apply in the 21st century.
You are absolutely right!
One has to change!
Islam said that one should do ablution with 1 kg of water, no who on earth can do that now a days? This 'rule' or guideline was given in an age and place where shortage of water was common, if today someone still thinks that he somehow has to manage the ablution in that quantity of water would probably be wrong as there is no need to harness yourself unnecessarily, as there is no such shortage today, moreover the stuff that we get stuck with today (pollution, smoke, cosmetics, hair stuff, stuff while working in factories, handling weapons etc etc ) is not coming off with 1 kg of water, so dude, we have changed, today no one 'forces' us to still make use of 1 kg of water for ablution, though the bottom line is still there: "minimum wastage of water during the process"
No this doesnt at all mean that tomorrow we would include pork in our diets as we have crossed the 21th century!
Do's and donts..remember?
How much the trend changes and modernization occurs, incestuous would remain blasphemous!
So dont advocate blindly!
Troll around? Hardly. As far as derailing it, i was giving you the Indian point of view (I'm aware that Indians are not homogeneous and different points of view may be put forward). Is that not the purpose of your thread?
Thnks for the indian insight, we require it, but let's keep out the religion!
Nothing noble or ignoble about it. Most people refuse to differentiate on the basis of religion. It's that simple.
Sorry sir, not most, but FEW, few people refuse to differentiate on the basis of religion.
This is a separate debate i'll not jump into it.
Just as a soother, we are ready to follow the man made rules, but feel stoned if someone LIKE to follow his religion, how naive, BTW, who has the authority to decide about who is wrong or otherwise, let eveyone do what he wants to, but giving a direction to him for atleast once is something that Humans like to do, otherwise you'll not even find parents bringing up the children tomorrow if we travel at your speed to attain liberalism and 'freedom'
Based on texts written in the middle ages.
Exactly!
Any problems?
Get them solved at your end.
i have already said alot, you prove a single i repeat a single of those teaching wrong, i'll take you as my guru
Every religion has clear lines. So what?
So nothing!!!!!!
Who said that there is a problem, the thing under discussion was regarding 'our' creed getting influenced by yours and vice versa.
That's natural and was and is liable happen, so what? Nothing wrong! no one is asking the indian Muslims to migrate today!
But they are being faded away and the same holds guud when hindus convert to Islam today (no arguments on numbers please), it's also fading on your side!
So..
.....That's why we made a timely 'escape' in '47!!