Parrikar pulls up DRDO for delays in key projects

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

Who exactly is this "Kunal Sir" and why is everybody calling him "sir"?



You seem to be a child here who thinks from his knees rather than use a brain. I am not a soldier and neither are you, so why don't you shut up, learn some manners and debate in a decent manner?

I don't know what *** is or who your "Kunal Sir" is and I don't care. If you are so fond of Kunal sir you should have never left his side and come here. So why don't you do us all here a favor and back to your *** and "Kunal Sir".

Nobody here is talking about carbines except you. So you go back to whoever tom dick and harry you worship as your God and stop trolling here. You are a mere street-boy not worth wasting time on. Don't ever waste my time again. Now buzz off.

Kunal Sir is a PHD in Indian Armed Forces according to his followers and his followers are fan boys who have never interacted and would never ever interact with a real Army man to know the truth because Kunal Sir is always right.

 

[Indian Patriot]

You my friend, are unable to get rid of your colonial mentality. For you, indigenous products are always and has to be substandard....even if foreign products are under-performing....
You guys leave no opportunity to criticize 'Tejas' even with its smooth track record so far(I shudder to think how much 'hungama' you guys will create if any 'Tejas' crashes in future)..... but surprisingly raise no question regarding MiG's quality/performance even when the planes are crashing almost regularly killing Indian pilots.......there goes your concern for the lives of Indian soldiers out of the window.

Quality has nothing to do with colonial mentality but consumer satisfaction. If you have the money will you buy a BMW or a Maruti Esteem? You sound like a jhola-wearing socialist who wears a Gucci/Prada but swears by Swadeshi. I have no problems with Swadeshi provided the said Swadeshi product can hold its own against the very best in the world.

No major international army is even interested in buying Indian goods. And this is true for every South Asian country. Do you think they also takes bribes or are they more worried about national security?

Why are you talking about Tejas? The Tejas is a third generation aircraft meant to replace the Mig-21s. In 10 years maximum the Mig-21 aircraft will become obsolete anyway. So instead of using a 3rd gen aircraft to replace a 3rd gen aircraft why can't you think of a better aircraft? The world is moving towards 5th generation, super-cruise capable, stealth fighter and you are still jumping about Tejas. The Tejas is good, but its age is over.

How can Tejas have a smooth track record when it is not even inducted in the air force?

Everyone raises questions about the Migs. The problem here is India has hundreds of Migs in the air force. If you retire all the Migs tonight IAF will be left with a few dozen aircraft. And given India's defence budget of 46 billion dollars India cannot buy aircraft from all over like buying groceries from the vegetable market. Armed forces have to work within a specific budget.

Tell me, which country produces a perfect product right in their first attempt??

Tell me how many countries are currently engaged in low-intensity conflicts like India at present?

Are you aware of the number of accidents/crashes the Americans go through while testing their products and even with their tried-and-tested once?? Do you know how many Americans got killed in those accidents so far?? Do you think they are less concerned about their soldiers lives and/or about the security of their country??....

Are you trying to say America has the same crash record as Asian air forces or are you saying that America has the same sort of air force like any Asian country?

And please don't even compare America with other countries. In America defence research is done by private corporates whose budget is bigger than Indian defense budget. America's defense budget itself is 700 billion dollars so how can you think of a comparison here.

America is fielding everything from SSN, SSBN, 12 aircraft carriers, nuclear powered aircraft carriers, AEGIS equipped destroyers, AESA radar, their own rifles, stealth bomber, stealth fighter EVERYTHING. The comparison with USA is not even logical or rational.

[QUOTE="oFFbEAT, post: 6751206, member: 132663" ] Even when people are giving you proof about Army's intentional sidelining of 'Arjun', you're in no position to accept that.....as I said, for you, Russian T-90 has to be better than 'desi' Arjun no matter what.... [/QUOTE]

So you mean to say everybody in army is corrupt. They are worried about Russian bribes and hence compromising India's security by Russian T-90 tanks, which is respected by all, instead of buying world-class Arjun tanks that does not feature in any "Top 10 tank" list anywhere in the world?

According to you the whole army is corrupt and only you are honest and can see through the scams.

[QUOTE="oFFbEAT, post: 6751206, member: 132663" ] I'm NOT saying that DRDO is not to be blamed at-all or that it always provides 'up-to-the-mark' products but when proof of 'Arjuns' outperforming T-90s is there in the public domain and the Army still prefers T-90s over Arjun, then suspicion arises in the minds of common people......for uncommon, 'experts' like you, the matter is different ofcourse.[/QUOTE]

Who exactly said that the Arjun is outperforming? Did the army say that or did the media made it up? If the Arjun is so world class why is not a single foreign army interested in buying the Arjun? There is no sales embargo imposed in India. The army is busy marketing the Dhruv helicopter and it even has a buyer in a South American country. Similarly Malaysia had purchased Battlefield Surveillance Radars made by India. Nobody is least bothered about Arjun. Why?

Indian army if it was so corrupt like you allege would not have purchased the Dhruv or domestic Battlefield Surveillance Radars. Army buys products which are of high-quality.

[QUOTE="oFFbEAT, post: 6751206, member: 132663" ] I've no issue with Mr. Parrikar 'straightening up' DRDO, in-fact, that's what I want, along with 'straightening up' of corrupt Army officials....I'm willing to look at both sides of the coin, you guys are NOT willing to look at one side at-all, giving a total 'clean-chit' to the Army. [/QUOTE]

Answer me a few questions.

1. When did the Indian army issue a request for a domestic tank?

2. How many years did it take for the domestic tank to be built and ready?

3. In the many years between the request for a tank and the completion of the final product is the Indian army supposed to defend the border using tractors or buy foreign tanks so that its strength is not depleted?

4. If the finished domestic tank is weaker than the foreign tank already in service with the army why should army go for the domestic one?

[QUOTE="oFFbEAT, post: 6751206, member: 132663" ]
India buying faulty MiG parts: Russia - The Times of India
For some top brass colluding with corrupt Govt. officials, I cannot say that the Armed Forces cannot be trusted......[/QUOTE]

The Mig-21 is a 50s era aircraft and obviously it is obsolete today. The reason Migs are still flying today because if the Migs are retired then IAF will be left with 10 squadrons or less.

 

[Otocal]

Parrikar is giving sleepless nights to DRDO and HAL.

Good for armed forces they may get quality products on time one day

 

[GORKHALI]

I was reffering to the Physics guy not you.You were open to know more about the problems in the rifle..others were not.



Here is a pic of TOM,DICK AND HARRY with an INSAS

Something for which you can $uck up to your "Kunal Sir" and everyone else who have never been in touch with "special operation operators" and neither will you get to fire an INSAS in the rest of your life..

But i will tell you what you can do..you can read about the weapons and form an opinion and question those who have actually fired it.

I can post a 100 pics of special operation on this site but i dont and my entire family is serving in Indian Army except me so i very well know the difference between a AR and a carbine.

When a soldier tells me that there is a problem in INSAS i believe him and not people like you or your respected "Kunal Sir"..if you dont agree you can take it positively also coz i bet you are not earning your bread and butter selling INSAS.

You think you are the only one with defence background bache. Well I have many who served Airforce and army and I posted few pics here and there with Su30 mki but that doesn't make me pilot or aeronautics engineer to give a technical comment about Su 30mki. BTW the rifle you are holding is Insas 1B and ergonimcs changed alot for Insas 1B1. Do go to D.F.I and ask your tough questions to Kunal Biswas.

Kunal Sir is a PHD in Indian Armed Forces according to his followers and his followers are fan boys who have never interacted and would never ever interact with a real Army man to know the truth because Kunal Sir is always right.

So you think your some Gun Ballistic or Material science scientist. People shown you CAG documents about T90 and Arjun,you still don't willing to accept the very facts that people in higher ranks are corrupt and their love for phoren maal is out in open.

 

[Indian Patriot]

Indians here are unfairly targeting the army. The army has purchased Indian made products which are of standard quality. I think the ghost of Bofors is still haunting the Indian defense policy makers for which they are unable to take speedy decisions for fear of being called corrupt.

Instead of blaming anyone lets have faith in the Indian army that they know what they are doing.

 

[Otocal]

Kunal Sir is a PHD in Indian Armed Forces according to his followers and his followers are fan boys who have never interacted and would never ever interact with a real Army man to know the truth because Kunal Sir is always right.

kunal is a ch*tiya.

Wants to put Kaveri in Mig-21. As if Mig-21 did not a billion issues already

 

[zzebie]

I was reffering to the Physics guy not you.You were open to know more about the problems in the rifle..others were not.



Here is a pic of TOM,DICK AND HARRY with an INSAS

Something for which you can $uck up to your "Kunal Sir" and everyone else who have never been in touch with "special operation operators" and neither will you get to fire an INSAS in the rest of your life..

But i will tell you what you can do..you can read about the weapons and form an opinion and question those who have actually fired it.

I can post a 100 pics of special operation on this site but i dont and my entire family is serving in Indian Army except me so i very well know the difference between a AR and a carbine.

When a soldier tells me that there is a problem in INSAS i believe him and not people like you or your respected "Kunal Sir"..if you dont agree you can take it positively also coz i bet you are not earning your bread and butter selling INSAS.

Thanks to your family for the service. I am also someone who has family in the Indian Army and has several close friends in the Army. Have also lost a family member. Hence the onus i feel is more on us to acknowledge the wrong doings if any that have happened in the Armed Forces.

I would like to tell you that i am in agreement with you that we need to equip our Armed Forces with the best of the equipment available. With the new Defense minister pulling the strings more tightly i hope it happens. But at the same time calculated chances need to be taken with the indigenous developed equipment. It would not only motivate the organizations like DRDO, HAL etc but also provide valuable feedback to these guys that can then be incorporated in the next release.
Cheers to our Armed Forces!

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

Thanks to your family for the service. I am also someone who has family in the Indian Army and has several close friends in the Army. Have also lost a family member. Hence the onus i feel is more on us to acknowledge the wrong doings if any that have happened in the Armed Forces.

I would like to tell you that i am in agreement with you that we need to equip our Armed Forces with the best of the equipment available. With the new Defense minister pulling the strings more tightly i hope it happens. But at the same time calculated chances need to be taken with the indigenous developed equipment. It would not only motivate the organizations like DRDO, HAL etc but also provide valuable feedback to these guys that can then be incorporated in the next release.
Cheers to our Armed Forces!

Thank you Sir.May your family member Rest In Peace.

Only someone like us can know what a malfunction of a weapon can lead to because our loved ones are at the front.

These people sitting in their cozy AC office blame the IA for importing weapons when DRDO has not done its duty properly.

I really wonder what will happen if we put their father or brother/sister in the border armed with a faulty weapon.Then i will see how they respond to such threads.

 

[Indian Patriot]

Ok. I don't know about this guy they are talking and I won't pretend that I have a military background.

My issue with the INSAS is very simple and they are as follows.

1. INSAS is a 5.56 caliber rifle and such rifles usually carry 30 rounds. The logic behind 5.56 mm rounds is that it is lighter, more stable when fired and the soldier is able to carry more rounds to the battlefield. A 20 round magazine nullifies the advantage of the 5.56 round.

2. INSAS is too heavy. A 5.56 caliber rifle should not weigh in at 4 kg especially when it carries a 20 round mag. All modern 5.56 mm rifles with a 30 round mag weigh less than 3.5 kg.

3. INSAS lacks modern optics and other add-on features. It has problems of jamming and cannot provide suppression fire. That is why all crack nits of Indian army use Tavor.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

You think you are the only one with defence background bache. Well I have many who served Airforce and army and I posted few pics here and there with Su30 mki but that doesn't make me pilot or aeronautics engineer to give a technical comment about Su 30mki. BTW the rifle you are holding is Insas 1B and ergonimcs changed alot for Insas 1B1. Do go to D.F.I and ask your tough questions to Kunal Biswas.
View attachment 191012


So you think your some Gun Ballistic or Material science scientist. People shown you CAG documents about T90 and Arjun,you still don't willing to accept the very facts that people in higher ranks are corrupt and their love for phoren maal is out in open.

Dude,you and your KUNAL SIR can take a hike because i don't give a damn about him.

Your standing in front of aircraft doesnt prove anything.You called me a Tom,Dick Harry saying i dont know what a Assault rifle is..so there was my pic with an INSAS and i have fired it.

I am just a messenger of the people who do special operations like this guy who has done special operations for 5 years.

So when they tell me something..then i dont give a damn about KUNAL SIR or any other internet baba.

P.S-you wont find this pic anywhere on the internet and not even with your kunal babaji..so kindly dont share it also.

Ok. I don't know about this guy they are talking and I won't pretend that I have a military background.

My issue with the INSAS is very simple and they are as follows.

1. INSAS is a 5.56 caliber rifle and such rifles usually carry 30 rounds. The logic behind 5.56 mm rounds is that it is lighter, more stable when fired and the soldier is able to carry more rounds to the battlefield. A 20 round magazine nullifies the advantage of the 5.56 round.

2. INSAS is too heavy. A 5.56 caliber rifle should not weigh in at 4 kg especially when it carries a 20 round mag. All modern 5.56 mm rifles with a 30 round mag weigh less than 3.5 kg.

3. INSAS lacks modern optics and other add-on features. It has problems of jamming and cannot provide suppression fire. That is why all crack nits of Indian army use Tavor.

INSAS has the following problem according to my friend who would have fired thousands of rounds of INSAS unlike internet baba:-


Firstly,the firing pin breaks easily.

piston head goes back and you got to hit the butt on the ground to get it sorted...cocking handle needs releasing with more force because the piston head get stuck.

The range of Tavor is 700m while of INSAS is 400mtrs.

The bullet sometimes leaves the casing inside and the next round get stuck or burst.



It is rightly getting replaced.Had it been a great weapon atleast one SPECIAL UNIT in India would have used it.

 

[GORKHALI]

Dude,you and your KUNAL SIR can take a hike because i don't give a damn about him.

Your standing in front of aircraft doesnt prove anything.You called me a Tom,Dick Harry saying i dont know what a Assault rifle is..so there was my pic with an INSAS and i have fired it.

I am just a messenger of the people who do special operations like this guy who has done special operations for 5 years.

So when they tell me something..then i dont give a damn about KUNAL SIR or any other internet baba.

P.S-you wont find this pic anywhere on the internet and not even with your kunal babaji..so kindly dont share it also.



INSAS has the following problem according to my friend who would have fired thousands of rounds of INSAS unlike internet baba:-


Firstly,the firing pin breaks easily.

piston head goes back and you got to hit the butt on the ground to get it sorted...cocking handle needs releasing with more force because the piston head get stuck.

The range of Tavor is 700m while of INSAS is 400mtrs.

The bullet sometimes leaves the casing inside and the next round get stuck or burst.



It is rightly getting replaced.Had it been a great weapon atleast one SPECIAL UNIT in India would have used it.

haha standing in front of aircraft because am allowed to in bada khana Now don't ask me what is badakhana.

 

[Indian Patriot]

Thank you for the points. Also I don't understand why a 5.56 mm rifle has a mag capacity of only 20 rounds.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

haha standing in front of aircraft because am allowed to in bada khana Now don't ask me what is badakhana.

Bhai mere...i have been invited to many bada khana where they put yellow colour in rice and add extra spice in a meal.Its a get together thing in the Army which is mostly done to celebrate something.

My dad was a ex RR guy..i have lived for 20 years in Army quarters.

 

[Otocal]

haha standing in front of aircraft because am allowed to in bada khana Now don't ask me what is badakhana.

Kunal designed Tejas Mk2 years before.

ADA still has not finished it completely.

Now we still trust people like him? Be practical

 

[pursuit of happiness]

Incumbent DM is IITian himself so, DRDO labs and HAL will feel the pressure they had never felt before.

---
now they can full DM in sin cos theta.. becuase he know gama

or DM is iit
or RBi govenror .. IIT .. IIM...
our PM.. no education degree but street smart..and lots of common sense
(other 2 guys alo have it )
so good mix of theory , practice and common sense