Panicked Rohingyas entering Bangladesh

[PlanetSoldier]

...I have no idea why our FM is silent in this regard. We must put the Junta's of Burma i international pressure by international forums and Human rights Watch. Its only we are going to suffer mostly after rohingas due to extra burdens of refugees. Seems like this BAL government is in the accord about this brutal deed of Burmese Juntas with them.

Agreed...we just got to wait until the behind the scene story comes in light .

 

[kalu_miah]

Some of these razakars were deported to the other world immediately after LA, some big ones will soon be hanged and some small cats are still hiding among others. Some of them peep up in a debating forum without divulging their names and addresses for obvious reason. Most of them identify themselves as BNP supporters.

eastwatch, please stop making baseless accusations about people you do not know. Just because I hold certain opinions and views which you disagree with, you cannot call me a rajakar. This shows your own character more than mine.

 

[kalu_miah]

eastwatch and his side kicks has habit to call people rajakar whenever he and his side kicks can not provide evidence of their claims.

What is he up to really? I do not understand it at all. One thing I know is that he has extremely high estimation of his intellect and knowledge and he thinks he knows about everything more than everyone else.

Please note that he still has not given out any information about himself, so everything he says is suspect.

 

[livingdead]

eastwatch, please stop making baseless accusations about people you do not know. Just because I hold certain opinions and views which you disagree with, you cannot call me a rajakar. This shows your own character more than mine.

You should have thought before calling that burmese dude a RAW agent, which basically invites everybody to troll with their sh*t.
Argue with logic and even people with opposite view point will be afraid to say anything unresonable.

And stop ganging up with people of same view, it looks so childish.

 

[kalu_miah]

We are a nascent and fragile parliamentary democracy under heavy military influence but we are not ruled by a juna as such anymore. The actions of the government cannot be considered just the actions of the military as the whole of Myanmar supports and hardline stance on this situation. Both pro-military and pro-democracy parties have increasingly come out as being supportive of moves to tackle the Rohingya and even the Burmese exile-media uses terms such as 'Bengali foreigners' to describe these people. Like I've said before, this is not symptomatic of the problems of millitary rule but is a much more deep rooted problem. If you are going to confront the Burmese on this issue, you are not confronting only 'the generals' but the will of the people of Myanmar. I agree that some of the reactions to the Rohingya have been lamentable but then the attitude of the whole world towards the Rohingyas has been lamentable. Ethnic tensions and sectarian violence is not the sole preserve of the autocratic state and the world is smart enough to see this. They can also see that this is not just a Burmese problem.

Myanmar is only now beginning to re-emerge onto the world stage and this is the last thing the government wants for its image. That is why they are taking a relatively soft stance on this problem. If these people derail our efforts at global re-integration then it will only serve to inflame the Burmese people and the problem will escalate. On Bangladesh's part, it has been actively trying to tap into ASEAN and it would not behoove them to cause trouble with its only direct ASEAN neighbour. Delicate times indeed.

You got one thing right, it is not a junta problem, it is a people problem. But this problem of criminal racism is not acceptable among civilized nations, whether it is ASEAN, UN or anywhere else. You can be racist, everyone in the world is racist to some extent, but you cannot deny legitimate rights of citizenship and do ethnic cleansing, that is not acceptable.

Democracies are good, because people when they make mistakes, suffer the consequences of those mistakes and then they learn not to make those mistakes. That is why it is good that you are moving towards democracy so people can make mistakes, learn as a result and grow up.

 

[seethru]

Unlike "shining India", we cannot afford to play super power games. We give them shelter to save their lives, that is enough. We should not interfere in internal matter of Myanmar, but should keep pressure on Myanmar through other stake holder countries and institutions like the UN to take them back ASAP. But they should not be forced back, they should only go back when they feel it is safe to go back.

We have a few of them in Delhi too. 6000 some say.

 

[kalu_miah]

You should have thought before calling that burmese dude a RAW agent, which basically invites everybody to troll with their sh*t.
Argue with logic and even people with opposite view point will be afraid to say anything unresonable.

And stop ganging up with people of same view, it looks so childish.

Indian trolls giving me advice. What these people are made of is for all the world to see, every time they open their mouth, I don't have to say anything.

 

[idune]

You should have thought before calling that burmese dude a RAW agent,

Indians are renown for hijacking other identity and its good that Kalu bahi called on indian acting in disguise.

Indian trolls giving me advice. What these people are made of is for all the world to see, every time they open their mouth, I don't have to say anything.

Dont even bother with indian bigot. Look at his alias he uses his "hindu" communal mantra to make bigoted comments here.

 

[livingdead]

Indian trolls giving me advice. What these people are made of is for all the world to see, every time they open their mouth, I don't have to say anything.

Well I advised you because you had opened a thread urging everybody to improve the quality of posts in bd section.
You can blame Indians but there is a reason why no Indian feel like posting any serious comment in bd section. It is because most bd members post are quite childish.
Go to other section like pakistan, and see a meaningful discussion( inspite of trolls on both sides) in many threads.
And no, it is not because we are racist against 'dravidian continuator'(whatever that means) or weaker bangladesh blah blah, it is because of bangladeshi member of this forum.

Indians are renown for hijacking other identity and its good that Kalu bahi called on indian acting in disguise.



Dont even bother with indian bigot. Look at his alias he uses his "hindu" communal mantra to make bigoted comments here.

I will repeat what I told him, ganging up and avoiding discussion and thanking each other is immature and childish.

 

[Zabaniyah]

We are a nascent and fragile parliamentary democracy under heavy military influence but we are not ruled by a juna as such anymore. The actions of the government cannot be considered just the actions of the military as the whole of Myanmar supports and hardline stance on this situation. Both pro-military and pro-democracy parties have increasingly come out as being supportive of moves to tackle the Rohingya and even the Burmese exile-media uses terms such as 'Bengali foreigners' to describe these people. Like I've said before, this is not symptomatic of the problems of millitary rule but is a much more deep rooted problem. If you are going to confront the Burmese on this issue, you are not confronting only 'the generals' but the will of the people of Myanmar. I agree that some of the reactions to the Rohingya have been lamentable but then the attitude of the whole world towards the Rohingyas has been lamentable. Ethnic tensions and sectarian violence is not the sole preserve of the autocratic state and the world is smart enough to see this. They can also see that this is not just a Burmese problem.

And finally one has spoken!

They are still your people.

But seriously, stop spilling your crap toward your neighbors. The Rohingyas are some of the most persecuted people according to the UN. Do you really think we'd all just sit quietly while you are done with your crap!?

Your government even agreed to take them back? What happened?
http://www.defence.pk/forums/bangladesh-defence/134962-myanmar-take-back-rohingya-refugees.html

Myanmar is only now beginning to re-emerge onto the world stage and this is the last thing the government wants for its image.

Yeah, might as well try to be a bit more civilized before coming to the "world stage"

That is why they are taking a relatively soft stance on this problem.

Don't confuse "soft-stance" with failure to maintain order.

If these people derail our efforts at global re-integration then it will only serve to inflame the Burmese people and the problem will escalate.

Who are "these people"? No one in Bangladesh is derailing your efforts. It is your annoying habits that's annoying us.

And if this situation with the Rohingyas escalates and spill into your neighbor's borders, then it it is you who should worry. Especially given your country's lousy human rights record.

On Bangladesh's part, it has been actively trying to tap into ASEAN and it would not behoove them to cause trouble with its only direct ASEAN neighbour. Delicate times indeed.

Tap into ASEAN? Since when? Since when did Bangladesh cause you trouble to you or ASEAN?

 

[INDIC]

Alaungphaya dear, can you elaborate Myanmar-Bangladesh relations in brief.

 

[alaungphaya]

You got one thing right, it is not a junta problem, it is a people problem. But this problem of criminal racism is not acceptable among civilized nations, whether it is ASEAN, UN or anywhere else. You can be racist, everyone in this world is racist to some extent, but you cannot deny legitimate rights of citizenship and do ethnic cleansing, that is not acceptable.

Democracies are good, because people when they make mistakes, suffer the consequences of those mistakes and then they learn not to make those mistakes. That is why it is good that you are moving towards democracy so people can make mistakes, learn as a result and grow up.

This is not a mistake on our part. For whatever reason the Rohingya have not been able to integrate. I would say too that the majority of Rohingya would wish to be repatriated to Bangladesh. Why don't you make a concession like a grown-up and allow your displaced peoples to return to their homeland. Give them the choice of living in Bangla or Myanmar.

It is also interesting that 20 years democratic Bangladesh is a whole 7 places above military junta ruled Myanmar in the Global Failed States index (18 and 25). I think it's already a sign of our re-emergence that we have so far handled this affair reasonably and with the eyes of the world on us, there has been little in the way of criticism from the global community. I have already been critical of the Burmese response but why don't some of the BD community here accept that BD should atleast accept some refugees instead of pushing their boats back out into the Indian Ocean.

Failed States Index | The Fund for Peace

 

[Zabaniyah]

eastwatch and his side kicks has habit to call people rajakar whenever he and his side kicks can not provide evidence of their claims.

Let's not derail the thread mate.

 

[kalu_miah]

Well I advised you because you had opened a thread urging everybody to improve the quality of posts in bd section.
You can blame Indians but there is a reason why no Indian feel like posting any serious comment in bd section. It is because most bd members post are quite childish.
Go to other section like pakistan, and see a meaningful discussion( inspite of trolls on both sides) in many threads.
And no, it is not because we are racist against 'dravidian continuator'(whatever that means) or weaker bangladesh blah blah, it is because of bangladeshi member of this forum.


I will repeat what I told him, ganging up and avoiding discussion and thanking each other is immature and childish.

It will be better for all if Indian's could keep out of our discussions that does not involve India. And making yourself the judge of our behavior, who gave you that right, and why should we care how it looks to you?

Give us our fair share of water, stop calling your own West Bengali Muslims as 30 million Bangladeshi migrants, stop killing our people at the border and last but not least stop interfering in our politics using your agent RAWamy League, then come back and lecture us.

 

[alaungphaya]

Alaungphaya dear, can you elaborate Myanmar-Bangladesh relations in brief.

They're a reasonably decent neighbour. Good guys. Our only Muslim neighbour. We looked towards expanding our empire in the Bengal with some success when Thailand and China were no goes but the pesky British were already there to thwart us. Bangladesh has never really been of that much importance really until this Rohingyas issue comes up and most recently the maritime border issue. We have no problems with the Bengalis except on the issue of taking back some of their peoples. I do get pretty angry when some Bangladeshis start advocating jihad but that's to be expected. I see no reason why we can't enjoy cordial relations as long as they respect our territory and don't preach too much about how we should treat the Rohingyas.

And finally one has spoken!

They are still your people.

But seriously, stop spilling your crap toward your neighbors. The Rohingyas are some of the most persecuted people according to the UN. Do you really think we'd all just sit quietly while you are done with your crap!?

Your government even agreed to take them back? What happened?
http://www.defence.pk/forums/bangladesh-defence/134962-myanmar-take-back-rohingya-refugees.html



Yeah, might as well try to be a bit more civilized before coming to the "world stage"



Don't confuse "soft-stance" with failure to maintain order.



Who are "these people"? No one in Bangladesh is derailing your efforts. It is your annoying habits that's annoying us.

And if this situation with the Rohingyas escalates and spill into your neighbor's borders, then it it is you who should worry. Especially given your country's lousy human rights record.



Tap into ASEAN? Since when? Since when did Bangladesh cause you trouble to you or ASEAN?

No, I think you should graciously allow them to repatriate to BD if they so wish.