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Panetta: Someone in Pakistan knew about bin Laden's hideout

Exactly the process security agencies are supposed to follow in clearing an area prior to a HVT visit. Now if you expect me to know the protocols of PA/ISI/Pakistani police in this regard, I am sorry but I am not aware of these.
Give me a general process of what should have been done, say in India - if you are not even aware of any general protocols, then what exactly are you basing your argument on?

Without outlining the kind of 'sterilization protocol' you think the PA should have followed, we cannot progress further in this discussion.

Secondly, as I pointed out to Indianrabbit, PMA Kakul is spread out over a very large area and consists of dozens of buildings, not just the structure shown in the map. I will upload an image illustrating this later, or you can look at google maps. When you take the total size of the PMA into account, your argument of 'sterilize everything within a 2 to 3KM radius' becomes even more unfeasible.

So what was different that USA had that Pakistan did not.. Why did USA put those resources there if the information they had was the same which ISI had in the 1st place.
The information the ISI provided the US was further developed by the US - that has been pointed out quite clearly already. The information did not by itself suggest that the compound was OBL's hiding spot.

It was the additional investigation that the US did on the intelligence provided by Pakistan, which it hid from Pakistan, that led to the compound.

Pakistan had no reason to put that particular compound under surveillance, nor have you been able to provide any reason for Pakistan to have suspected the compound, even after the fact.
 
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@AM ISI had the ability to search the compound as the territory belonged to them, it was harder for US.

@Irfan Abhimanyu was dismissive not supportive of helicopter argument, you did not read him completely.

the joke was on Panetta.
your comment to AM is valid. but do consider that there were many other likely places ISI was trailing. we failed here and we admit it. but dont ignore the success stories too. the mastermind KSM was arrested by no other but the same ISI.

shame on us that we didnt catch OBL on our own
shame on Americans that they didnt share info with us
but in the end the world's most wanted man who wanted others to loose their lives in his cause was eliminated so we accept that the end was in our favour too.
 
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How about these basts release solid evidence first before we play the blame game, release photos and evidence. Then we can proceed with these charges.
 
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...............dont ignore the success stories too. the mastermind KSM was arrested by no other but the same ISI.

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but in the end the world's most wanted man who wanted others to loose their lives in his cause was eliminated so we accept that the end was in our favour too.

I agree with the above, which is said very well.
 
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An old but relevant article on the issue ...

Enough is enough, stop the bash-Pakistan bandwagon


Adnan Gill
Wednesday, May 11, 2011

LOS ANGELES: Osama bin Laden’s death has opened hell’s gates on Pakistan. One would be hard pressed to find an American commentator who has missed the Bash Pakistan Bandwagon. Their most prevailing argument revolves around, we give Pakistan billions every year and look how they repaid us. They cheated on us by sheltering the world’s most wanted terrorist.

To begin with, President Obama said, “it’s important to note that our counter-terrorism cooperation with Pakistan helped lead us to bin Laden and the compound where he was hiding.” Did President lie or do the Pakistan bashers suffer from selective amnesia?

Yes, its true Pakistan is an American foreign aid recipient, its true Osama was caught hiding in Pakistan, but would it be prudent to ignore the larger picture of how much Pakistanis have helped America? Absolutely not. Well it’s high time to place things in the right perspective.

According to the US Census Department, during 2001-08, Pakistan received an average of $.768 billion, or a total of $3.841 billion in Economic and Military Aid from the US. Pakistan claims, the war on terror has cost it $35 billion, or about $4 billion per year. It might be worth noting that during the same time US gave India $.988 billion, Egypt $8.530 billion, Israel $13.030 billion and Afghanistan $20.801 billion in Economic and Military Aid. Can the same critics point the last time any of above allies delivered anything worth mentioning to the US for the billions upon billions they received?

Let’s rewind couple of decades back when the Free-World lead by American-Pakistani coalition drove the last nail in Soviet Union’s coffin, resulting in the fall of the Berlin Wall. Was it the Israel (the largest US Military Aid recipient) that pushed Soviets over the cliff? No, it was the Pakistan.

During the First Gulf-War who sent its troops against Saddam? Was it India? No. It was the Pakistan. Who was the part of Peace Keeping Force in Bosnia? Was it India or Israel? None. But it was Pakistan. Who pulled the American troops out of raging battle in Somalia? Was it the Afghans or Egyptians? Try again. It was the Pakistani Army. Who saved the American allies in the deep jungles of Africa? Yes Pakistanis did. Who trained American Special Forces in high altitude warfare? Afghans, Indians or Israelis? Only Pakistanis did.

Let’s take a gander over of what Pakistan had been doing since the 9/11. Since the day one Pakistan literally handed over Navy and Air Force (like Omara, Pasni, Shamsi and Jacobabad) bases to the US, exclusive air corridors and land transit right to the coalition, ISAF.

It wasn’t the Afghans, British, Egyptians, Indians, Israelis or the Saudis who had consistently captured and handed over some of most wanted terrorists. It is the Pakistanis who had come through time and again. To name the few Pakistan handed over: Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, Abu Zubaydah and Abu Faraj al-Libi.

Between 9/11 and 2009, Pakistan lost 78 military officers and 2,273 soldiers to the war on terror, while it killed or captured 17,742 militants. During the same time ISAF lost about 1,500 personnel. By any measurement Pakistani military has lost more men in the war than rest of coalition together.

Between 2004-11, at least 2,290 Pakistanis died from the 234 drone strikes. According to Brookings Institution for every militant killed through drone strikes “10 or so civilians” are killed. Can the critics name a single other sovereign nation with a proven capability to shoot down drones who has allowed such attacks?

Some of the (modern) Joseph McCarthy don’t want to miss the Pakistan bashing train, because they simply don’t want to miss the hip thing to do; while others like the Congressman Peter King have deeper political agenda to expand their fear-cult following. Regardless of their motivation, all of them unanimously chant to punish Pakistan and make the foreign aid to Pakistan contingent to the American dictates. Neither would it be the first, nor the last time Pakistan would be heavily sanctioned. Last time Pakistan was marginalized, it became a nuclear power and diverted the extremists to Kashmir. This time, Pakistan would simply replace China with the US.

Everyone, including Pakistanis are jubilant over bin Laden’s killing; however, they feel cornered and insulted over the world reaction to its embarrassing security lapse. They ask, was CIA or FBI in collusion with al-Qaeda or were they incompetent when the jetliners flew into World Trade towers on the 9/11? If not, then why there is a mob bent on publicly lynching Pakistan?

Prudence requires a well-balanced criticism of Pakistan’s intelligence failure, without unduly antagonizing one of most reliable and time tested American ally.

The writer is a political analyst and freelancer based in Los Angeles
Enough is enough, stop the bash-Pakistan bandwagon

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I agree with the above, which is said very well.
Along with the US apologizing for its criminal, illegal and murderous rampages in Pakistan, a more overt and frequent message pointing out that which IB did would be another 'tangible act' the US could undertake to indicate it is not all rhetoric and lip service when it comes to the US-Pak relationship.
 
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AM: Please allow me to call you out on this one:

His point, paranoid as it is, may be valid in your opinion, but the fact that you deleted my reply only speaks volumes about your bias that render you unfit to moderate (in my opinion only, of course! :D ).
An image stating 'PWOND.COM Got Humor' is not a 'response'.

As has been pointed out repeatedly to various members, questioning moderator decisions on the open forum is not an option - if you do have any issues, they need to be taken up through PM or wall posts.

So let me call YOU out on your trolling by issuing you an infraction.

Stick to the topic, and if you cannot offer constructive responses, don't bother responding.
 
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@Vcheng


issue is with the nonserious graphic you chose to post as an answer. nothing to do with the bias.

Anyways, much of what is being said about knowledge of OBL's hideout is political posturing by the US side, it is quite clear (just to stay on topic.)


the above statement was enough.
 
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I remember a pakistani analyst said that if pakistan knew about this operation and publicly accepted that they were previously informed, it would have put pakistan on crosshair of Al qaida resulting in increase in terrorist incidents, let alone public outrage compared to totally denying having any information of OBL and the raid.
 
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An image stating 'PWOND.COM Got Humor' is not a 'response'.

As has been pointed out repeatedly to various members, questioning moderator decisions on the open forum is not an option - if you do have any issues, they need to be taken up through PM or wall posts.

So let me call YOU out on your trolling by issuing you an infraction.

Stick to the topic, and if you cannot offer constructive responses, don't bother responding.

The picture was actually poking fun at the confused responses of the US government in public about 9/11, which was appropriate to the post to which I was responding.

However, I do take your point about commenting about moderation in public, and thus will accept the infraction. :D

PS: PM sent, please check and implement, if you please. Thanks!

@Vcheng


issue is with the nonserious graphic you chose to post as an answer. nothing to do with the bias.




the above statement was enough.

Understood.
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Moving on, Paksitan needs to read these messages clearly in terms of their potential impact: If a connection with OBL's whereabouts is presented, it will be serious consequences. Thus, anything to pre-empt such a possibility would be important.
 
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Infact Mr. Leon Panetta is right in his statement that someone within Pakistan knew about the OBL hideout. Yes! cuz the local CIA agents who were guarding his hideout knew about him that he never even lived there and the whole drama has been staged behind the curtains to put a blame and malign Pakistan.........:smokin:
 
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Infact Mr. Leon Panetta is right in his statement that someone within Pakistan knew about the OBL hideout. Yes! cuz the local CIA agents who were guarding his hideout knew about him that he never even lived there and the whole drama has been staged behind the curtains to put a blame and malign Pakistan.........:smokin:

Mr. Panetta's statements are indirect political posturing by the US government, nothing more, but the message is clearly important for Pakistan.
 
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It wasn’t the Afghans, British, Egyptians, Indians, Israelis or the Saudis who had consistently captured and handed over some of most wanted terrorists. It is the Pakistanis who had come through time and again. To name the few Pakistan handed over: Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, Abu Zubaydah and Abu Faraj al-Libi.

One has to ask the very critical question : why ?

Because these very men were hiding on Pakistani soil and not on Afghan, British, Egyptian, Indian, Israeli or Saudi soil ....

Next question comes : So why were so many dangerous terrorists hiding in Pakistan among all countries in the world ?

Simple answer : Safe Havens
 
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he cleared yesterday that he mean to say OBL network not GOP so matter is over now whats remain to debate on this news item ?
 
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he cleared yesterday that he mean to say OBL network not GOP so matter is over now whats remain to debate on this news item ?

The message between the lines has been delivered, that is all, by Mr. Panetta.
 
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The message between the lines has been delivered, that is all, by Mr. Panetta.

yes i got it US blackmail them as they doing it since 60 years . and they will knee down soon i am sure .
 
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