Panama Case - Post Verdict Discussion and Updates

[Dil Pakistan]

Bachiyaan Kesi hai?

You will have to come and decide yourself

 

[El Sidd]

You will have to come and decide yourself

Nahi nahi nahi

I wont fall for this again. I swore on my pet parakeet.

 

[Dil Pakistan]

Nahi nahi nahi

I wont fall for this again. I swore on my pet parakeet.

Sher Bano Sher

 

[expert]

But that will damage PMLN badly

@Zibago @Farah Sohail

The final line has created doubts in my mind too i mean is that a technical chor darwaza to escape in constitutional courts?

This is a criminal trial. Even though the Supreme Court has the authority to judge on constitutional matters, this is a criminal case and will be dealt as such even if it gets to the Supreme Court.

 

[El Sidd]

Sher Bano Sher

No. I Love my mithu. It does not love me though.

Like do you know the pain when your pet does not love you back?

Thats what drove Amy Winehouse mad. Kurt Cobain too.

 

[Shane]

Bari khatarnaak soorat e haal hai... I am not worried about bail or no bail.. Any miscalculation may result in huge tilt in favor of PMLN before elections..

@Arsalan @PakSword @Farah Sohail @Verve @El Sidd @Path-Finder @tps77 @Moonlight @BHarwana @ghazi52

A lot more hangs in the balance than immediately meets the eye. In my opinion, PMLN has had a realistic learning curve that helps it make an elaborate, well thought out plan to make this return a big success or at least plan for it. They have the experiences of return during Musharraf era and know where they lacked then and how they can make up for those mistake now with the help of their supporters inside the system and using their considerable wealth for their survival and cause.

I think we should not take any aspect of this arrival lightly, be it bail or be it the presence of a sizable crowd or a charged crowd leading things towards violence or Blackmail to achieve their goals discussed later.

A homogeneous, well planned and wholesome effort is needed in response to counter the same from PMLN.

Lets take a look at some of the options available to PMLN Leadership: The Main goal is to achieve success by PMLN...the success, and what it means, is discussed at the end.

1. Despite the talk, there is still possibility that only Maryam shall return on this flight. But be it just her or both the father and daughter duo, the following shall remain a possibility.

2. There is going to be a large number of PMLN supporters and leadership with their personal guards, thugs and goons present outside Lahore Airport. Every MNA MPA candidate and leader has been given numbers in hundreds and thousands to bring rent-a-crowd from all over Punjab, and even from KPK. A crowd of about 10-15k is easily doable and led by the paid personal goons, thugs and guards, it is enough of a charged horde at any place, let alone an airport, to create chaos and start anarchy... (Perfect recipe for Excusers looking to hide behind any excuse to justify their actions or lack of it, isn't it?)

3. There is going to be a large number of PMLN supporters, leaders, Journalists and Guards of Sharifs accompanying them on this flight...efforts were made by Sharifs to influence Emirates Airlines to move existing allotted seats of this flight to other flight and accommodate PMLN personnel.

4. This entourage inside the Aircraft is going to do everything to create a scene inside the aircraft after it lands to allow Sharifs to be received at the airport rather than be arrested on the apron and moved to Islamabad in the waiting helicopter. The sizeble crowd outside the airport is going to be threatning to unlish violance if the leadership is not allowed out as mentioned i point no 2.

5. Note the time of arrival of the flight is such that it allows PMLN Lawyers to get a bail before arrest or protective bail just in the nick of time for the convicted from a judge already arranged and ready for this purpose. The PMLN lawyers will disclose this to the arresting party at the last moment to get away their leadership from the aircraft quickly and into the charged crowd outside.

PMLN's GOAL: Get away and avoid arrest for a few hours and lead a rally like brave winners - Sherrrrs to jump start the dead heart of PMLN supporters and lackluster campaign in top gear. Imagine the scene and paid media get away with it as the biggest success and start posing PMLN as winners now that they have defied all odd...its all planned and set.

NAB's GOAL: To arrest Maryam and Nawaz after they land and move them to Islamabad on a waiting helicopter on the apron.

IS NAB READY FOR THE UNFORESEEN EVENT(s) OR UNTOWARD INCIDENT(s)? NAB's Goal Sounds simple enough but are they prepaired for the plan of Sharifs? undisclosed or last minute Bail before arrest? Charged supporters inside the aircraft not letting NAB official near Sharifs? Sharifs managing to getout and enter the airport lounge to be joined by other PMLN hordes already there to take away the leadership?

@PakSword and my friends here at PDF, you are rightly concerned about the consequences if anything goes wrong on that day...Knowing and guessing Maryam's mental approach and aptitude of projecting her face as an innocent, innocuous daddy's doll, where she is actually cunning and devious but then again, thankfully, just as much as a 9 year old "RAZIA" out to take revenge on big bad boys of the neighborhood, lol.

A more serious and much more appropriate analogy is that of a baby cobra that looks small but delivers maximum poison to the victim out of inexperience. The so called "NEHATTI LARKI" is armed to the teeth with venom and misplaced personal hatred for Pakistan Army that equals that of Sheikh Haseena Wajid, willing to go to any length to destroy its protective role of safeguarding Pakistan's ideological and Physical borders.

One thing is for sure, the way Maryam mocked the forces saying "Dartay hain Bandokon walay aik Nehatti Larki say" is enough to guess that she has planned to lead her welcoming crowd into a large rally around Lahore and Jump start PMLN Election Campaign. Just the potential scenes and what it would mean for PMLN campaign is enough of an incentive to try to achieve this Goal.

Lets hope that if we can guess some of the above options then so can the people at the helm of the affairs and these plans are thwarted or else it will change the whole scenario on its head.

Please feel free to correct and counter the above if you feel otherwise.

 

[El Sidd]

@Arsalan @PakSword @Farah Sohail @Verve @El Sidd @Path-Finder @tps77 @Moonlight @BHarwana @ghazi52

A lot more hangs in the balance than immediately meets the eye. In my opinion, PMLN has had a realistic learning curve that helps it make an elaborate, well thought out plan to make this return a big success or at least plan for it. They have the experiences of return during Musharraf era and know where they lacked then and how they can make up for those mistake now with the help of their supporters inside the system and using their considerable wealth for their survival and cause.

I think we should not take any aspect of this arrival lightly, be it bail or be it the presence of a sizable crowd or a charged crowd leading things towards violence or Blackmail to achieve their goals discussed later.

A homogeneous, well planned and wholesome effort is needed in response to counter the same from PMLN.

Lets take a look at some of the options available to PMLN Leadership: The Main goal is to achieve success by PMLN...the success, and what it means, is discussed at the end.

1. Despite the talk, there is still possibility that only Maryam shall return on this flight. But be it just her or both the father and daughter duo, the following shall remain a possibility.

2. There is going to be a large number of PMLN supporters and leadership with their personal guards, thugs and goons present outside Lahore Airport. Every MNA MPA candidate and leader has been given numbers in hundreds and thousands to bring rent-a-crowd from all over Punjab, and even from KPK. A crowd of about 10-15k is easily doable and led by the paid personal goons, thugs and guards, it is enough of a charged horde at any place, let alone an airport, to create chaos and start anarchy... (Perfect recipe for Excusers looking to hide behind any excuse to justify their actions or lack of it, isn't it?)

3. There is going to be a large number of PMLN supporters, leaders, Journalists and Guards of Sharifs accompanying them on this flight...efforts were made by Sharifs to influence Emirates Airlines to move existing allotted seats of this flight to other flight and accommodate PMLN personnel.

4. This entourage inside the Aircraft is going to do everything to create a scene inside the aircraft after it lands to allow Sharifs to be received at the airport rather than be arrested on the apron and moved to Islamabad in the waiting helicopter. The sizeble crowd outside the airport is going to be threatning to unlish violance if the leadership is not allowed out as mentioned i point no 2.

5. Note the time of arrival of the flight is such that it allows PMLN Lawyers to get a bail before arrest or protective bail just in the nick of time for the convicted from a judge already arranged and ready for this purpose. The PMLN lawyers will disclose this to the arresting party at the last moment to get away their leadership from the aircraft quickly and into the charged crowd outside.

PMLN's GOAL: Get away and avoid arrest for a few hours and lead a rally like brave winners - Sherrrrs to jump start the dead heart of PMLN supporters and lackluster campaign in top gear. Imagine the scene and paid media get away with it as the biggest success and start posing PMLN as winners now that they have defied all odd...its all planned and set.

NAB's GOAL: To arrest Maryam and Nawaz after they land and move them to Islamabad on a waiting helicopter on the apron.

IS NAB READY FOR THE UNFORESEEN EVENT(s) OR UNTOWARD INCIDENT(s)? NAB's Goal Sounds simple enough but are they prepaired for the plan of Sharifs? undisclosed or last minute Bail before arrest? Charged supporters inside the aircraft not letting NAB official near Sharifs? Sharifs managing to getout and enter the airport lounge to be joined by other PMLN hordes already there to take away the leadership?

@PakSword and my friends here at PDF, you are rightly concerned about the consequences if anything goes wrong on that day...Knowing and guessing Maryam's mental approach and aptitude of projecting her face as an innocent, innocuous daddy's doll, where she is actually cunning and devious but then again, thankfully, just as much as a 9 year old "RAZIA" out to take revenge on big bad boys of the neighborhood, lol.

A more serious and much more appropriate analogy is that of a baby cobra that looks small but delivers maximum poison to the victim out of inexperience. The so called "NEHATTI LARKI" is armed to the teeth with venom and misplaced personal hatred for Pakistan Army that equals that of Sheikh Haseena Wajid, willing to go to any length to destroy its protective role of safeguarding Pakistan's ideological and Physical borders.

One thing is for sure, the way Maryam mocked the forces saying "Dartay hain Bandokon walay aik Nehatti Larki say" is enough to guess that she has planned to lead her welcoming crowd into a large rally around Lahore and Jump start PMLN Election Campaign. Just the potential scenes and what it would mean for PMLN campaign is enough of an incentive to try to achieve this Goal.

Lets hope that if we can guess some of the above options then so can the people at the helm of the affairs and these plans are thwarted or else it will change the whole scenario on its head.

Please feel free to correct and counter the above if you feel otherwise.

If the Caretaker government cannot ensure Public safety then it should resign.

The responsibility would lie on the government.

The People have a right to protest. If the capital can be locked down then so can Lahore.

Its a big World. Small incidences happen all the Time.

Its 2018. Not 2007.

 

[PakSword]

@Arsalan @PakSword @Farah Sohail @Verve @El Sidd @Path-Finder @tps77 @Moonlight @BHarwana @ghazi52

A lot more hangs in the balance than immediately meets the eye. In my opinion, PMLN has had a realistic learning curve that helps it make an elaborate, well thought out plan to make this return a big success or at least plan for it. They have the experiences of return during Musharraf era and know where they lacked then and how they can make up for those mistake now with the help of their supporters inside the system and using their considerable wealth for their survival and cause.

I think we should not take any aspect of this arrival lightly, be it bail or be it the presence of a sizable crowd or a charged crowd leading things towards violence or Blackmail to achieve their goals discussed later.

A homogeneous, well planned and wholesome effort is needed in response to counter the same from PMLN.

Lets take a look at some of the options available to PMLN Leadership: The Main goal is to achieve success by PMLN...the success, and what it means, is discussed at the end.

1. Despite the talk, there is still possibility that only Maryam shall return on this flight. But be it just her or both the father and daughter duo, the following shall remain a possibility.

2. There is going to be a large number of PMLN supporters and leadership with their personal guards, thugs and goons present outside Lahore Airport. Every MNA MPA candidate and leader has been given numbers in hundreds and thousands to bring rent-a-crowd from all over Punjab, and even from KPK. A crowd of about 10-15k is easily doable and led by the paid personal goons, thugs and guards, it is enough of a charged horde at any place, let alone an airport, to create chaos and start anarchy... (Perfect recipe for Excusers looking to hide behind any excuse to justify their actions or lack of it, isn't it?)

3. There is going to be a large number of PMLN supporters, leaders, Journalists and Guards of Sharifs accompanying them on this flight...efforts were made by Sharifs to influence Emirates Airlines to move existing allotted seats of this flight to other flight and accommodate PMLN personnel.

4. This entourage inside the Aircraft is going to do everything to create a scene inside the aircraft after it lands to allow Sharifs to be received at the airport rather than be arrested on the apron and moved to Islamabad in the waiting helicopter. The sizeble crowd outside the airport is going to be threatning to unlish violance if the leadership is not allowed out as mentioned i point no 2.

5. Note the time of arrival of the flight is such that it allows PMLN Lawyers to get a bail before arrest or protective bail just in the nick of time for the convicted from a judge already arranged and ready for this purpose. The PMLN lawyers will disclose this to the arresting party at the last moment to get away their leadership from the aircraft quickly and into the charged crowd outside.

PMLN's GOAL: Get away and avoid arrest for a few hours and lead a rally like brave winners - Sherrrrs to jump start the dead heart of PMLN supporters and lackluster campaign in top gear. Imagine the scene and paid media get away with it as the biggest success and start posing PMLN as winners now that they have defied all odd...its all planned and set.

NAB's GOAL: To arrest Maryam and Nawaz after they land and move them to Islamabad on a waiting helicopter on the apron.

IS NAB READY FOR THE UNFORESEEN EVENT(s) OR UNTOWARD INCIDENT(s)? NAB's Goal Sounds simple enough but are they prepaired for the plan of Sharifs? undisclosed or last minute Bail before arrest? Charged supporters inside the aircraft not letting NAB official near Sharifs? Sharifs managing to getout and enter the airport lounge to be joined by other PMLN hordes already there to take away the leadership?

@PakSword and my friends here at PDF, you are rightly concerned about the consequences if anything goes wrong on that day...Knowing and guessing Maryam's mental approach and aptitude of projecting her face as an innocent, innocuous daddy's doll, where she is actually cunning and devious but then again, thankfully, just as much as a 9 year old "RAZIA" out to take revenge on big bad boys of the neighborhood, lol.

A more serious and much more appropriate analogy is that of a baby cobra that looks small but delivers maximum poison to the victim out of inexperience. The so called "NEHATTI LARKI" is armed to the teeth with venom and misplaced personal hatred for Pakistan Army that equals that of Sheikh Haseena Wajid, willing to go to any length to destroy its protective role of safeguarding Pakistan's ideological and Physical borders.

One thing is for sure, the way Maryam mocked the forces saying "Dartay hain Bandokon walay aik Nehatti Larki say" is enough to guess that she has planned to lead her welcoming crowd into a large rally around Lahore and Jump start PMLN Election Campaign. Just the potential scenes and what it would mean for PMLN campaign is enough of an incentive to try to achieve this Goal.

Lets hope that if we can guess some of the above options then so can the people at the helm of the affairs and these plans are thwarted or else it will change the whole scenario on its head.

Please feel free to correct and counter the above if you feel otherwise.

I am also thinking the same..

It is now upto NAB and other authorities how they want to handle the situation.. Unfortunately there are still many black sheep in police and NAB, who will play a role in Maryam's drama.

If NAB succeeds in arresting both as soon as they come out of the plane, that would be best..

Farogh Naseem says that it is very easy for NS and Maryam to get a protective bail before arrest.. The paper may be presented to the NAB officers/ Police and they will not be able to arrest them. It will have an extremely negative impact on the morale of Pro Pakistan population..

I also feel that they will apply for protective bail before arrest for 3-4 days (until the first hearing for suspension of verdict in HC)

 

[Sugarcane]

If our authorities had little bit of sense, they should have got the red warrant issued by now, get them arrested in UK and brought them in chartered flight. Establishment surely have that much working relationship to get cooperation.

 

[Verve]

@Arsalan @PakSword @Farah Sohail @Verve @El Sidd @Path-Finder @tps77 @Moonlight @BHarwana @ghazi52

A lot more hangs in the balance than immediately meets the eye. In my opinion, PMLN has had a realistic learning curve that helps it make an elaborate, well thought out plan to make this return a big success or at least plan for it. They have the experiences of return during Musharraf era and know where they lacked then and how they can make up for those mistake now with the help of their supporters inside the system and using their considerable wealth for their survival and cause.

I think we should not take any aspect of this arrival lightly, be it bail or be it the presence of a sizable crowd or a charged crowd leading things towards violence or Blackmail to achieve their goals discussed later.

A homogeneous, well planned and wholesome effort is needed in response to counter the same from PMLN.

Lets take a look at some of the options available to PMLN Leadership: The Main goal is to achieve success by PMLN...the success, and what it means, is discussed at the end.

1. Despite the talk, there is still possibility that only Maryam shall return on this flight. But be it just her or both the father and daughter duo, the following shall remain a possibility.

2. There is going to be a large number of PMLN supporters and leadership with their personal guards, thugs and goons present outside Lahore Airport. Every MNA MPA candidate and leader has been given numbers in hundreds and thousands to bring rent-a-crowd from all over Punjab, and even from KPK. A crowd of about 10-15k is easily doable and led by the paid personal goons, thugs and guards, it is enough of a charged horde at any place, let alone an airport, to create chaos and start anarchy... (Perfect recipe for Excusers looking to hide behind any excuse to justify their actions or lack of it, isn't it?)

3. There is going to be a large number of PMLN supporters, leaders, Journalists and Guards of Sharifs accompanying them on this flight...efforts were made by Sharifs to influence Emirates Airlines to move existing allotted seats of this flight to other flight and accommodate PMLN personnel.

4. This entourage inside the Aircraft is going to do everything to create a scene inside the aircraft after it lands to allow Sharifs to be received at the airport rather than be arrested on the apron and moved to Islamabad in the waiting helicopter. The sizeble crowd outside the airport is going to be threatning to unlish violance if the leadership is not allowed out as mentioned i point no 2.

5. Note the time of arrival of the flight is such that it allows PMLN Lawyers to get a bail before arrest or protective bail just in the nick of time for the convicted from a judge already arranged and ready for this purpose. The PMLN lawyers will disclose this to the arresting party at the last moment to get away their leadership from the aircraft quickly and into the charged crowd outside.

PMLN's GOAL: Get away and avoid arrest for a few hours and lead a rally like brave winners - Sherrrrs to jump start the dead heart of PMLN supporters and lackluster campaign in top gear. Imagine the scene and paid media get away with it as the biggest success and start posing PMLN as winners now that they have defied all odd...its all planned and set.

NAB's GOAL: To arrest Maryam and Nawaz after they land and move them to Islamabad on a waiting helicopter on the apron.

IS NAB READY FOR THE UNFORESEEN EVENT(s) OR UNTOWARD INCIDENT(s)? NAB's Goal Sounds simple enough but are they prepaired for the plan of Sharifs? undisclosed or last minute Bail before arrest? Charged supporters inside the aircraft not letting NAB official near Sharifs? Sharifs managing to getout and enter the airport lounge to be joined by other PMLN hordes already there to take away the leadership?

@PakSword and my friends here at PDF, you are rightly concerned about the consequences if anything goes wrong on that day...Knowing and guessing Maryam's mental approach and aptitude of projecting her face as an innocent, innocuous daddy's doll, where she is actually cunning and devious but then again, thankfully, just as much as a 9 year old "RAZIA" out to take revenge on big bad boys of the neighborhood, lol.

A more serious and much more appropriate analogy is that of a baby cobra that looks small but delivers maximum poison to the victim out of inexperience. The so called "NEHATTI LARKI" is armed to the teeth with venom and misplaced personal hatred for Pakistan Army that equals that of Sheikh Haseena Wajid, willing to go to any length to destroy its protective role of safeguarding Pakistan's ideological and Physical borders.

One thing is for sure, the way Maryam mocked the forces saying "Dartay hain Bandokon walay aik Nehatti Larki say" is enough to guess that she has planned to lead her welcoming crowd into a large rally around Lahore and Jump start PMLN Election Campaign. Just the potential scenes and what it would mean for PMLN campaign is enough of an incentive to try to achieve this Goal.

Lets hope that if we can guess some of the above options then so can the people at the helm of the affairs and these plans are thwarted or else it will change the whole scenario on its head.

Please feel free to correct and counter the above if you feel otherwise.

This is the last bullet left in Nawaz's gun. And Nawaz is being forced to fire it by those invested in him.

MQM militant wing finished, TTP finished, and now this attempt of civil war by this final tool will be finished too.

When movement against Bhutto started, a lot of cash was delivered by CIA. There will be a lot this time too.

But it'll all fail.

Insha'Allah

 

[Sugarcane]

I am also thinking the same..

It is now upto NAB and other authorities how they want to handle the situation.. Unfortunately there are still many black sheep in police and NAB, who will play a role in Maryam's drama.

If NAB succeeds in arresting both as soon as they come out of the plane, that would be best..

Farogh Naseem says that it is very easy for NS and Maryam to get a protective bail before arrest.. The paper may be presented to the NAB officers/ Police and they will not be able to arrest them. It will have an extremely negative impact on the morale of Pro Pakistan population..

I also feel that they will apply for protective bail before arrest for 3-4 days (until the first hearing for suspension of verdict in HC)

If they've option to get protective bail than government if interested also have option to still detain them under MPO which can override virtually any legal procedure/requirement.

 

[PakSword]

If they've option to get protective bail than government if interested also have option to still detain them under MPO which can override virtually any legal procedure/requirement.

Do you think authorities will dare to detain them under MPO after they obtain protective bail? Mere bhai.. Pakistan aaja Europe se..

 

[RIP Pak LAW]

Lol now all PTI supporters here are worried about Nawaz's arrival while 2 days back you all were desperate to see him getting arrested. I already said that it was in PTI interest, Nawaz choose not to return back.

 

[Sugarcane]

Do you think authorities will dare to detain them under MPO after they obtain protective bail? Mere bhai.. Pakistan aaja Europe se..

Dear MPO is ordinance of Pakistan not Europe (I doubt they have such kind of ordinance) and for your information government can arrest anyone which it perceive threat to public safety even if he/she gets bail without any legal implications. Hafez Saeed is there as example.

http://punjablaws.gov.pk/laws/127.html

 

[PakSword]

Dear MPO is ordinance of Pakistan not Europe (I doubt they have such kind of ordinance) and for your information government can arrest anyone which it perceive threat to public safety even if he/she gets bail without any legal implications. Hafez Saeed is there as example.

http://punjablaws.gov.pk/laws/127.html

I know it's a Pakistani ordinance.. You couldn't understand my sarcasm..

Anyway, although they can, but they will not arrest father and daughter duo if a protective bail is issued.