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NS has said today that Wajid Zia will have to tell the court that who were the 40-people who helped / wrote the JIT report.

What does he mean?
There were 5-6 people from each department helping the main JIT people. JIT members themselves selected those people from their own departments. Everyone knows about it.. Nawaz has lost his marbles.
 
abey mere baal hote thay jab ye drama shuru hua......
like literally i will tell my kids if i am forcefully married at some stage that beta apke abbu kay baal panama ki nazar hogaye
mera baal bhi bari tazi sa jaa raha hai bacha tou door mujha biwi kaisa mila gai iski pareshani hai, kon Ganja sa shadi kara ga lol
 
mera baal bhi bari tazi sa jaa raha hai bacha tou door mujha biwi kaisa mila gai iski pareshani hai, kon Ganja sa shadi kara ga lol

shadi kay liye baal nahi chaiye hote.... suicidal wish chaiye hoti hai...
agar ye case esa hi chalta raha to me shadi karke retire hojaonga mamlaat se..
 
shadi kay liye baal nahi chaiye hote.... suicidal wish chaiye hoti hai...
agar ye case esa hi chalta raha to me shadi karke retire hojaonga mamlaat se..
Lakin apki nazar main shadi karna sahi nhi???????
 
Lakin apki nazar main shadi karna sahi nhi???????

jab tak insaaf ki baladasti nahi ho mashray me tab tak shadi karna meri nazar me najaiz zabardasti hai

Lakin apki nazar main shadi karna sahi nhi???????

2nd caliph of Islam had the triple talaq imposed as a punishment since divorce rates were rising....

we should atleast learn some basics to actually understand what lawmaking is all about.

and thats why a temporary moratorium should be placed on marriage till the society is able enough to handle this shit
 
jab tak insaaf ki baladasti nahi ho mashray me tab tak shadi karna meri nazar me najaiz zabardasti hai


2nd caliph of Islam had the triple talaq imposed as a punishment since divorce rates were rising....

we should atleast learn some basics to actually understand what lawmaking is all about.

and thats why a temporary moratorium should be placed on marriage till the society is able enough to handle this shit

Molvi Abdul Qavi Qandeelvi tu kehta hay larkian razamand hon tu jitnay marzi nikah chaho kartay jao gawahon ki khair hay; magar Shadi sirf Aik say hee ho sakti hay...
Aap ki tajveez Qavi sb ko pasand aay gi.

Aap shadi par moratorium bay shak lagwa dain, meri tu kab ki ho chuki...
 
Molvi Abdul Qavi Qandeelvi tu kehta hay larkian razamand hon tu jitnay marzi nikah chaho kartay jao gawahon ki khair hay; magar Shadi sirf Aik say hee ho sakti hay...
Aap ki tajveez Qavi sb ko pasand aay gi.

Aap shadi par moratorium bay shak lagwa dain, meri tu kab ki ho chuki...

usko jail me danday parenge or phir pata chalega kay jail kay andar qanoon lago nahi hota.... uski jail Lot kay qaum kay sath hogi...thigna choopia

jo karna hai karo bhai..khuli azaadi hai... Brahmin ke khilaaf awaz uthaoge to maar diye jaoge... ye hai qanoon e Pakistan
 
Dear @volatile Here is an extract from NAB ordinance. I am summarizing the case in the simplistic form based on above extracts of law and you can ask if you need any further information. Now this is the most honest attempt with law, explanation and everything to convince you and even after that you keep on defending NS then either your intellect level is way below or you are a paid nooni ... However, if you want to debate on legal and logical grounds I am ready ...

@Shane @PakSword @QatariPrince @PakPak @Zibago @Devil Soul @Arsalan @war&peace @Zarvan @notorious_eagle @syed1 @Path-Finder @Shane @Farah Sohail ... Guys below extracts of NAB ordinance for your information as well.

Definitions:

"Assets" means any property owned, controlled by or belonging to any accused, whether directly or indirectly, or held benami in the name of his spouse or relatives or associates, whether within or outside Pakistan 3* which 4[he] cannot reasonably account 2[for], or for which 4[he] cannot prove payment of full and lawful consideration.

benamidar means any person who ostensibly holds or is in possession or custody of any property of an accused on his behalf for the benefit and enjoyment of the accused;]

9 (a) A holder of a public office, or any other person, is said to commit or to have committed the offence of corruption and corrupt practices-
(v) if he or any of his dependents or benamidar owns, possesses, or has acquired right or title in any “assets or holds irrevocable power of attorney in respect of any assets orpecuniary resources disproportionate to his known sources of income, which he cannot reasonably account for or maintains a standard of living beyond that which is commensurate with his sources of income

(vii) if he has issued any directive, policy, or any SRO (Statutory Regulatory Order) or any other order which grants or 5[attempts to grant] any undue concession or benefit in any taxation matter or law or otherwise so as to benefit himself or any relative or associate or a benamidar or any other person. (THE CURRENT AMNESTY SCHEME WHERE DECLARATION OF PROPERTY is included falls under this category as declaration of property in no means will bring beenfit to Pakistan as the property will remain outside Pakistan - The Avenfield appartments)

30. (a) Notwithstanding anything 3[to the contrary] contained in 4[this Ordinance] or any other law 5[for the time being] in force, on pronouncement of judgment, the 6* Court shall have the jurisdiction and power to take cognizance of an offense committed in the course of the investigating or trial of a case by any officer, any witness, including an expert, who has tendered false evidence in the case, whether he deposed in court or not, or any other person, under section 176 to 182 of Chapter X, or section 191 to 204, or 211 to 223, or 225-A of Chapter XI, of the Pakistan Penal Code 1860 (Act XLV of 1860 ), or under any other law relating to false evidence and offences against public justice, and to summarily try him and award punishment provided for the offence under the law.


EXPLANATION:

The case is simple, NAB and JIT has accused MN and his other siblings to be Baynamidar of NS and has produced circumstantial evidence that these apartments are owned by MN. Since MN do not have any source of income, therefore, she cannot have these assets other than from illicit sources. The only possible source of illicit money can be her father or her uncle (SS) who are holding public offices for more than three decades.

turning the case in NS favor is very simple. He is saying that properties were transferred to him as a settlement in 2006 so in his support he can simply provide transfer deed of properties registered with governments mentioning the dates of 2006. But this will resolve just one query that i.e. flats were purchased in 2006. THen second query is they were financed by Qatari Shiekh hence in those transfer document seller must be Qatari prince Hammad bin Jassim. Third question will then arise why this property was transferred to just one grand son of NS, where as there are other grand son and daughters, for which they need a will (That will can also be verified through ink dating)... If proper will do not exist than again it will become a case of bribery... As none of this exists therefore Khwaja Harris has not provided a single piece of evidence...

As it is already established that properties are in possession (refer law above) of NS dependants (Benamirdar) since 1990s and same is on record and also accepted by accused themselves and while reconciling them with tax returns of NS and his dependants they are beyond their known source of income and hence as per section 9a(v) falls under corruption.

Now the word possession is important as it does not means own. Now NAB has provided sufficient evidence of possession including bills, trust deed, fake documents.

NAB and JIT has already proved that NS is falling under section9a(v) of NAB ordinance and now in order to prove otherwise NS has to simply provide the proof as mentioned above which should be easily available as a circumstantial evidence even if he cannot provide money trail of 70s by which funds were originally transferred to Qatar ...

However, whatever he is providing are non-conclusive and most of that are proving to ve fake. His lawyers are just wasting time to create a political issue by asking a question whose obvious answer is in political favor of NS. For example: do NS owns the legal right of property? Everyone knows its not NS, but his dependants and benamidar but Khwaja Haris is asking just to give a political narrative and we an uneducated and fool nation buying that narrative.

Let me assure you NAB is still handling this case very lightly if I would have been part of this team, I would have gone in public by leaking the case proceedings and documents to destroy NS lies all together ...

And with my experience this is very very very simple case and only a bad *** corrupt judge can give him clean chit but that would also mean the destruction of Pakistan. This case is going to be used as case law in many future cases and if such a simple and open case is decided in favor of NS then our country will be on time bomb.
Dear Many thanks for your explanatory reply now there are more than few questions which needed to be asked or proved .
For first part we have to separate his year of office vs year of wealth generation .In 2006 was he holding any office ? Now these are the same cases and this is the same NAB which has underwent leaps and bound after 1999 when Pervaiz Musharaf has loose all canons against them . Coming to the point the single most important evidence as on today was Qatari letter and its cross examination which is not done till today infact JIT refused to entertain or even accept the letter which was presented ,even though it was Notarized thru Qatar MOFA . Now again all this story above even it is correct why SC had to use a clause of Iqama ? over Panama ,As in the end SC and any court of law knows its not about accusing its about proving the same ,the same responsibility lies with Nab as well as as they accused any one they have to provide proof ,till today what ever evidence which can put him behind bar is either photocopy or has no Court values (im citing a reference in this case of Famous Zardari case) which was rolled back and he was given clean shit based on that ,In the end at the end of the day as on today it is just media trial in actual trial Wajid Zia is sweating like Pig ,all his work done is nothing but waste paper found from Urdu Bazar ,It's not about accusing its about proving and specially in case of sitting PM things look odd specially when you are unable to prove any thing
 
There were 5-6 people from each department helping the main JIT people. JIT members themselves selected those people from their own departments. Everyone knows about it.. Nawaz has lost his marbles.
Wait for Geo and The News investigation cell to run wild with it... bayshak koi khareeday ya na khareeday, magar kala manjan baichna inn ka kaam hay aur ads dayna government ka... Hamaray paisay par haramkhori jari hay.
 
other that law is called NAB law ... So what you are saying that robbers should have left with invoices and if there is no invoice of robery than robery did not take place ...

There is a term called circumstantial evidence and most of the cases are decided based on circumatantial evidence ... I am busy right now, shortly will quote you paras from multiple laws to implcate MN based on current evidences ... Furthermore in court of law prior cases put a significant part ... Lets assume you let go NS then it means you have officially legalized corruption under the name of children ... Everyone will take briberies and will deposit it in the nmae of his her childrens and justuce system will keep on dismissing the case saying that properties are under the name of childrens ...
Bhai i agree with you but it is court of law which has to be prove
 
Molvi Naeem Butt is extremely hopeful that his accompanying Sharifs to the court and his wird inside and outside the court room will result in Sharifs acquittal.

On another note, brace for the arrival of our friend soon. The guy is getting ready as tweets are being lined up along with planted media reports about today's cross questioning of Wajid Zia by baji's lawyer.

Please prepare to adjust your brain cycles to welcome the arrival of our - Twitter is my knowledge - friend @Tameem soon. Do take care of him for me while I'm away for a bit.
 

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