Panama Case - Post Verdict Discussion and Updates

[Shane]

@Tameem When is Maryam Nawaz gonna stop lying to the gullible people of Pakistan like yourself?

Maryam Nawaz telling reporters that defence lawyers had submitted complete money trail to JIT, LOL, and "political opponents" are doing propaganda on missing money trail:

Baji jee! It was your own lawyer for God Sakes, lol.

Watch report about Slaman Akram Raja, the defence lawyer himself telling the court at the begining of panama hearing that all monitary documents - money trail have been lost by the family due to Musharraf Martial law:

Just proves that they forged and fabricated documents as the panama case went along and as per the requirements to fulfill whatever was not legitimate to disclose and therefore, the alternate documents were forged to fulfill the courts demands.

Indeed they are innocent and their own forged documents are somebody elses conspiracy.

 

[Verve]

@Shane

I have my doubts about this CJ. He woke up from a slumber only after Nawaz was ousted ... He talks the right talk but how many tough decisions has taken so far when it comes to the mafia leaders and anti-state media houses? He forgives right at the crucial time especially those who should be punished severely.

Sometimes it feels like he got in the gear only to slow down the ruthless demise of the corrupt elite. And this has pushed the likes of Justice Khosa out of limelight and away from high profile cases.

As you say, method to the madness of Nawaz and Maryam, the method of this CJ's speedy actions (that haven't lead to any major convictions) has a certain smell that just refuses to go away.

 

[Shane]

@Shane

I have my doubts about this CJ. He woke up from a slumber only after Nawaz was ousted ... He talks the right talk but how many tough decisions has taken so far when it comes to the mafia leaders and anti-state media houses? He forgives right at the crucial time especially those who should be punished severely.

Sometimes it feels like he got in the gear only to slow down the ruthless demise of the corrupt elite. And this has pushed the likes of Justice Khosa out of limelight and away from high profile cases.

As you say, method to the madness of Nawaz and Maryam, the method of this CJ's speedy actions (that haven't lead to any major convictions) has a certain smell that just refuses to go away.

I agree with you to the extent that he has changed, probably since Panama case minority judgement written by Justice Khosa and Gulzar.

Judges of third world countries, like their western counterparts, are part of the system and vociferously defend it. Traditionally and by nature, they also tend to side with the sitting governments on most issues.

The restraint being shown on contempt of court by Bakvas Sharif and Maryam is the maximum relief that CJ could give the tubber as it rests with his personal decision to take action or not.

I don't think that the CJ shall grant any out of the way favours to Sharifs simply due to the events that have unfolded since the Panama Verdict that amount to PMLN leadership chopping their own legs off.

The real mistake made by PMLN leadership was to agitate and incitement people against the CJP along with the Panama bench judges. This has only Alienated CJ even further.

More later...in sha Allah

 

[Verve]

I agree with you to the extent that he has changed, probably since Panama case minority judgement written by Justice Khosa and Gulzar.

Judges of third world countries, like their western counterparts, are part of the system and vociferously defend it. Traditionally and by nature, they also tend to side with the sitting governments on most issues.

The restraint being shown on contempt of court by Bakvas Sharif and Maryam is the maximum relief that CJ could give the tubber as it rests with his personal decision to take action or not.

I don't think that the CJ shall grant any out of the way favours to Sharifs simply due to the events that have unfolded since the Panama Verdict that amount to PMLN leadership chopping their own legs off.

The real mistake made by PMLN leadership was to agitate and incitement people against the CJP along with the Panama bench judges. This has only Alienated CJ even further.

More later...in sha Allah

It could be an elaborate game, the game that Nawaz and Zardari played so well and fooled many for years.

 

[Tameem]

Watch: 7:30 to 11:30
About Gulf Steel Sale of remaining 25% Share amounting of 12M Dirham and its authentication.

 

[Shane]

Watch: 7:30 to 11:30
About Gulf Steel Sale of remaining 25% Share amounting of 12M Dirham and its authentication.

Remember @Tameem, these seemingly innocuous and seemingly unbiased reporters are staging this drama and talking about the likes of the following docs being authentic or not, lol, what a bunch of jokers:

Why did JIT not authenticate the above?

Khwaja Haris and also the three stooges belonging to Geo in the vid are PART OF THE SAME FOUNDRY THAT FABRICATED THE ABOVE FAKE NOTARY STAMP ...

Unlike the above staged drama by geo reporters, the following happened spontaneously, look at the face of Kh.Asif as he mistakenly also brought the other altered photocopy along in the show...

OLD HABITS DO DIE HARD BAITA:

 

[Tameem]

@PakSword

First Fact
NAB can asks any citizen to prove. Therefore Sharif Family have to Prove.
Second Fact
Sharif Family did provides proves and Money trail like Gulf Steel Sale documents.
Third Fact
On GS NAB Accepts 75% Sale proceeds (21M Dirham) and refuse to accepts remaining 25% Sale (12M Dirham)
_______________________________________________________________________
I thinks the bottom line will be either NAB have to accepts what Sharif Family provides or Rejects it under either or at least one of the below two conditions;

1. With Valid Rejection reasons everyone understands
2. Do Provides counter money trail

If NAB successful in providing valid rejection reasons then it will be easy to ascertain counter money trail..(Publically)
If NAB didn't succeeds in providing valid rejection reasons (Which NS lawyer KH. Haris trying his best to proves atm) of Sharif Money trails and neither provides counter proves of Sharif's wrong doing in court of law then any punishment on any framework will be treated as "Intiqami karwayee" Publically (and that bold word is very important for future political discourse).

i thinks in next week or days, situation will be more clears.

I thinks NS Punishment is not any longer just legal matter, Its Political, It should be publically approved otherwise turnsout futile like ZAB hanging...and that both parties understands very dearly.

 

[PakSword]

https://twitter.com/x/status/979659553922052096

https://twitter.com/x/status/979642809450934273

https://twitter.com/x/status/979631541285466112

@PakSword
What you say about Wajid Zia today's endorsement about Gulf Steel and Trust Deed authentications.

@PakSword

First Fact
NAB can asks any citizen to prove. Therefore Sharif Family have to Prove.
Second Fact
Sharif Family did provides proves and Money trail like Gulf Steel Sale documents.
Third Fact
On GS NAB Accepts 75% Sale proceeds (21M Dirham) and refuse to accepts remaining 25% Sale (12M Dirham)
_______________________________________________________________________
I thinks the bottom line will be either NAB have to accepts what Sharif Family provides or Rejects it under either or at least one of the below two conditions;

1. With Valid Rejection reasons everyone understands
2. Do Provides counter money trail

If NAB successful in providing valid rejection reasons then it will be easy to ascertain counter money trail..(Publically)
If NAB didn't succeeds in providing valid rejection reasons (Which NS lawyer KH. Haris trying his best to proves atm) of Sharif Money trails and neither provides counter proves of Sharif's wrong doing in court of law then any punishment on any framework will be treated as "Intiqami karwayee" Publically (and that bold word is very important for future political discourse).

i thinks in next week or days, situation will be more clears.

I thinks NS Punishment is not any longer just legal matter, Its Political, It should be publically approved otherwise turnsout futile like ZAB hanging...and that both parties understands very dearly.

Bro when I respond to your posts, you just discontinue the conversation. Seems you either don't have understanding of the law, or you don't want to understand.

What's the point of discussing it then?

 

[Shane]

Second Fact
Sharif Family did provides proves and Money trail like Gulf Steel Sale documents.

FACT 1:
Nawaz Sharif, during his address to the nation, stated that in 1980 this factory (Gulf Steel Mills) was sold for 33.37 Dirhams. What about the substantial loan on Gulf Steel?

This is not consistent with either the documents or recorded provided by Respondents.

Tariq Shafi not only produced false and misleading affidavits in the Supreme Court but is also known to have tainted reputation as he defaulted on loans of BCCI in 1987-88.


FACT 2:
Shahbaz distanced himself from Gulf Steel Mills

July 11, 2017
By: Samaa Web Desk
ISLAMABAD: Shockingly, Punjab Chief Minister Shahbaz Sharif had distanced himself from the functioning of the Gulf Steel Mills and had also refused to verify his signature on the Share Sales Agreement of 1978 of the mill.

This means that Shahbaz Sharif has refused to recognize his own relative Tariq Shafi's version, who told the JIT that Shahbaz was involved in the functions of the Gulf Steel Mills from 1978 to 1980.


FACT 3:
The letter from the Ministry of Justice of UAE, the available and produced documents, record, circumstantial evidence and discrepancies of Tariq Shafi and respondents also establish that the sale proceeds of Gulf Steel Mills never reached Jeddah, Qatar or UK,”

What facts are you talking about @Tameem ?

any punishment on any framework will be treated as "Intiqami karwayee" Publically (and that bold word is very important for future political discourse).

Inteqami karwayee of younger brother by refusing to recognize Gulf Steel docs and his own signatures on sale agreement???

What kind of logic is this BS you keep posting and then running away from discussion as if it's going to explode in your face in front of the world?

Well guess what dude, your leadership is sinking more and more as you thrash about in your own created quagmire, lol.

Who on earth told the chor tubber to accept the Panama disclosed properties? Lol.

Now the proof of money trail is on them forever dear, no if and buts about it, lol.

 

[Tameem]

Seems you either don't have understanding of the law

Quite Exactly.

or you don't want to understand

I want to learn at my own pace and understanding, that is why i quote you (Considering, you will refutes by other fact i don't know and in process i will learns)

What's the point of discussing it then?

OK, No problem...You can ignore.

 

[PakSword]

Quite Exactly.



I want to learn at my own pace and understanding, that is why i quote you (Considering, you will refutes by other fact i don't know and in process i will learns)



OK, No problem...You can ignore.

I want to discuss, but you leave in between. Let's agree now that we will complete the discussion on one topic at a time. Agree?

 

[Shane]

OK, No problem...You can ignore.

What a hilariously comic reply, who keeps ignoring replies, lol. Come on my man, do keep entertaining us with your fledgling defence of the corrupt lot fighting amongst themselves covertly...

Inteqami karwayee of younger brother by refusing to recognize Gulf Steel docs and his own signatures on sale agreement???

 

[Tameem]

I want to discuss, but you leave in between. Let's agree now that we will complete the discussion on one topic at a time. Agree?

1. Bcz I didn't know fully or grasp of this legal battle at one hand as of now.
2. I can't trust you 100%...Sorry.

 

[PakSword]

1. Bcz I didn't know fully or grasp of this legal battle at one hand as of now.
2. I can't trust you 100%...Sorry.

We also don't have full knowledge of the law. It is what we have discussed over the past one year here and read different references to understand it.

It is not about trust.. You can independently verify anything that we (I and @Shane ) and other members say here.

And by the way, if you don't have knowledge, why do you trust just one side of the story?

 

[Shane]

1. Bcz I didn't know fully or grasp of this legal battle at one hand as of now.
2. I can't trust you 100%...Sorry.

Oh how so innocent But you do know enough to quote specifically planted news tweets and half truth legal points raised by Kwaja Haris to share, how so very convenient