Panama Case - Post Verdict Discussion and Updates

[PakSword]

THIS DETAILED VERSION IS BRUTAL!!!!

Can anyone explain why judges have put the blame of back dated document on NS rather than Baji?

Since the Prime Minister of the country is thought to be the ethos personified of the nation he represents at national and international level, denying an asset established or defending a trust deed written in 2006 in a font becoming commercial in 2007 is below his dignity and decorum of the office he holds. An Urdu verse may perhaps explain the feeling of a follower about the leader which reads:-

ادھر ا ُدھر کی نہ بات کر یہ بتا کہ قافلہ کیوں لٹا
مجھے راہزنوں سے گلہ نہیں تیری رہبری کا سوال ہے​

 

[Farah Sohail]

Since the Prime Minister of the country is thought to be the ethos personified of the nation he represents at national and international level, denying an asset established or defending a trust deed written in 2006 in a font becoming commercial in 2007 is below his dignity and decorum of the office he holds. An Urdu verse may perhaps explain the feeling of a follower about the leader which reads:-

ادھر ا ُدھر کی نہ بات کر یہ بتا کہ قافلہ کیوں لٹا
مجھے راہزنوں سے گلہ نہیں تیری رہبری کا سوال ہے​

I think..judges are blaming here NS for defending tht trust deed.(.not presenting it in the court)...as he was the PM...

But u could be right too.. yahan kisi ka kuch nahi pata

 

[PakSword]

I think..judges are blaming here NS for defending tht trust deed.(.not presenting it in the court)...as he was the PM...

But u could be right too.. yahan kisi ka kuch nahi pata

Mujhay lagta hai thori ghalti huee hai..

Lekin I think "defending" wala word sahi use kia hai.. BTW had NS lawyers defended the trust deed?

 

[Arsalan]

Today, my reservations on 28th July verdict have been addressed. I am happy now.

What a timing. Tomorrow basheera has to give verdict on keeping references separate/ or combining them, and the highest court has used the word "references" in the detailed judgement on review petition. But I am still happy if basheera combines them all. Combining will mean less mess with quick outcome.

And I am so sorry on my remarks and name calling on Justice Aijaz Afzal. He is an honest judge.

I am only concerned on the info I have, that if Shareef family decides to get exiled, the process will allow him and all the family members to do so. But the process will ensure that he or any of his family member don't come back. As of now, Shareefs, specially baji wants to collide with certain institutions head on, there is no chance of their survival. All of the sensible MNAs (although there are very few left in PMLN) are advising Nawaz to not try anything that may lead to extreme punishment like Mr ZAB.

Welcome back to the beliveres club!

 

[PakSword]

Aik masla aur hai.. kal agar basheeray ne references ko combine na karnay ka reason main SC ke verdict ko refer kia tou PMLN buhat shor machaegi ke SC indirectly asar andaaz hogai hai references pe..

@Dil Pakistan @Shane

 

[Shane]

Aik masla aur hai.. kal agar basheeray ne references ko combine na karnay ka reason main SC ke verdict ko refer kia tou PMLN buhat shor machaegi ke SC indirectly asar andaaz hogai hai references pe..

@Dil Pakistan @Shane

If references are combined, will it be merely coincidental that lower court over looks highest courts order in letter and spirit?

High court should not have been allowed by scp monitoring judge to interfere in proceedings, specially in matter of keeping references separate.

I really feel that references should be kept separate as per the panama bench orders or it shall become a legal lacuna in itself that the subordinate court has overruled/ overlooked the SCP orders in light of a high court order and thus it will be like throwing a spanner in the works entirely. Sharifs are looking to create and use any excuse to make the proceedings controversial now for at least the chance of a review at a later and better time.

These sharifs are devious, deceptive and delusional. A poisonous combination when allowed to roam free to plan and scheme against the judicial and accountability system that threatens their existence. Screws must be tightened to not let them implement their plans and desires.

 

[PakSword]

If references are combined, will it be merely coincidental that lower court over looks highest courts order in letter and spirit?

I was just saying that Basheera will be in deep trouble if he refers to the SC judgment regarding references.

He should not combine them (although I believe combing them will not have much benefit for Nawaz), but he shouldn't refer to the judgment of SC.

Regarding HC judgment, I think HC only asked the shareefs to go back to Basheera and argue in his court.. HC hasn't given any decision on combining the references.

These sharifs are devious, deceptive and delusional. A poisonous combination when allowed to roam free to plan and scheme against the judicial and accountability system that threatens their existence. Screws must be tightened to not let them implement their plans and desires.

This part, i agree with completely..

 

[Farah Sohail]

Mujhay lagta hai thori ghalti huee hai..

Lekin I think "defending" wala word sahi use kia hai.. BTW had NS lawyers defended the trust deed?

NS defended and agreed with everything his children presented.. like qatari letter was also submitted by hussain nawaz..but it went against NS..

 

[PakSword]

NS defended and agreed with everything his children presented.. like qatari letter was also submitted by hussain nawaz..but it went against NS..

Phir tou theek likha hai Advocate ne.. ahem ahem.. Justice Mr. Justice Ejaz Afzal ne..

 

[Farah Sohail]

Phir tou theek likha hai Advocate ne.. ahem ahem.. Justice Mr. Justice Ejaz Afzal ne..

Main tu itni hopeless hogayi thee aur hun ab bhi ke Justice khosa ko bhi advocate banaany lagi thee

 

[PakSword]

Main tu itni hopeless hogayi thee aur hun ab bhi ke Justice khosa ko bhi advocate banaany lagi thee

Yeah I have noticed that... you form your opinion very quickly and then it is extremely difficult for anyone to amend your opinion..

Anyway, it was off topic, but I now believe that Allah is doing all this against Shareefs rather than the people.. Any man who does contrary to what Allah wants will face the consequences with Shareefs.. Allah will put opinions and strategies in the hearts and minds of people in command, and they will do what Allah wants..

Mujhay aisa lagta hai ke Shareefs ki rassi khainch li gaee hai.. Baqi Allah behtar janta hai.. agar uss ne mazeed dheel deni ho tou Justice Khosa ko bhi advocate bannay main dair nahi lagegi..

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Aik baat maan'ni paregi waisay @Farah Sohail

Yeh judgment Ejaz Afzal ne dil se likha hai.. bilkul Justice Khosa ki tarah..

Chhota judgment hai... I wish he had written a few more pages..

 

[Shane]

Yeah I have noticed that... you form your opinion very quickly and then it is extremely difficult for anyone to amend your opinion..

Anyway, it was off topic, but I now believe that Allah is doing all this against Shareefs rather than the people.. Any man who does contrary to what Allah wants will face the consequences with Shareefs.. Allah will put opinions and strategies in the hearts and minds of people in command, and they will do what Allah wants..

Mujhay aisa lagta hai ke Shareefs ki rassi khainch li gaee hai.. Baqi Allah behtar janta hai.. agar uss ne mazeed dheel deni ho tou Justice Khosa ko bhi advocate bannay main dair nahi lagegi..

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Aik baat maan'ni paregi waisay @Farah Sohail

Yeh judgment Ejaz Afzal ne dil se likha hai.. bilkul Justice Khosa ki tarah..

Chhota judgment hai... I wish he had written a few more pages..

I have been writing from the same pov about MakafateAmal and sharifs going through it, even @Farah Sohail posted along the lines before losing heart. Some posts quoted from recent past below:

Kon kafir jail jana chah sakta hay...

yeh likh lain k jiss tarha DQ ko impossible samjha jaa raha tha ussi tarha jail bhee sirf iss soorat hoo sakti haay jab inn ka Ghuroor aur over confidence innhain khud pahnsa'ay ga aur yeh sheher ka rukh kara'ain gay.

MakafaateAmal maen kuch bhee hoo sakta haay, anything is possible, not due to any human doing but MakafateAmal. NA120 is an azyatnaak and ibratnaak example of power hunger of Kingpin and his family. May Allah Subhan Taala have mercy on all in illness and return every ill to health, maa maa hoti haay. It is the hunger of Nawaz for personal power and survival that stands exposed and on display in NA120 perspective.

yeh Nawaz aur Zardari jaisay hamara mulk loot loot kar kha ga'ay, apni Jaidain kai guna barha leen aur Mulk ko Ghutno k bal dal deya hay.

Let's see what more is in store for them as they show no signs of stopping or letting go of looting, let alone any sign of redemption but Ghuroor...aka...rok saktay ho to rok lo.

@PakSword Inn ka ghuroor kon si zaat khak maen mila sakti hay?

I think ..Allah will punish them in his own way... Waisy tu NRO ke saaray asaar hain..but inki iss harkat se abb lagta hai ke Allah inka bura anjaam karay ga.. InshaAllah

 

[Dil Pakistan]

Aik masla aur hai.. kal agar basheeray ne references ko combine na karnay ka reason main SC ke verdict ko refer kia tou PMLN buhat shor machaegi ke SC indirectly asar andaaz hogai hai references pe..

@Dil Pakistan @Shane

True .... but there is another way to look at it.

PMLn (prima facie) does not have the problem with the SC - their objection is on the monitoring judge of the SC. Today's verdict is from a SC bench and nothing to do with the monitoring judge.

Therefore, if the PMLn decides to jump up and down for the reason you mentioned, they will be shouting against the SC bench - and really, nobody cares.

 

[Verve]

I now believe that Allah is doing all this against Shareefs rather than the people..

yaar yehi kehta aa raha hoon ..... itni der laga di aap ne ...

 

[QatariPrince]