Panama Case - Post Verdict Discussion and Updates

[Realistic Change]

Sha

shakal momina kartoot kafiran.. btw MN kai tweets sai idea horha hai kai sharifs are in some deep shit.. ab to army bhi naraz hai ab kon bchae ga inko ..

Not “every one” is against them though - there are (some) who are not pro but their line is still indirectly.....kind of, sort of.....helping Sharif’archy

@Verve ; @Farah Sohail : @PakSword

Have no idea what Ghulam Hussain is referring to - my info doesn’t corroborate with what he is saying plus his timeline is way different than my estimate/info/analysis, nor his number of 98 match with mine. Although I wish and pray that he is right as 98 is way more damaging and a sure kill shot.

We will know for sure as he gave 200 hours - so about 8 days....of which 2 will be gone soon....will see soon if that is correct. I really pray it does happen his way as my info is not that rosy as his

Reference earlier post re Riaz Peerzada:

As for him prompting Shahbaz is pure power politics of BWP as with Gardezis now in PPP and Gardezi’s (BWP) and Gillani’s (Multan) relationship with PPP Southern Punjab President (RYK) is causing him nightmares, he knows he’ll be done in Khairpur Tamewali in next elections. He doesn’t have capacity nor he wield enough power to lead any group in seraiki belt. The other seat is of Tariq Basheer Cheema on bordering Yazman - he is an MNA (PMLQ) to be seen more closely than Riaz Peerzada for sure if recently changed scenario keeps going in the direction it is currently heading towards.........in short; exciting times ahead

@PakSword @Arsalan @Farah Sohail @Moonlight @QatariPrince @Verve please check your message!

As for putting political life of MNA's at stake; here's one example from June where Fed Ministers actively started weighing their options; as their survival politically is of immense importance to their existential dynamics within their constituencies. Those of us, who are aware about electoral politics in Pakistan will understand this more easily......just a very simple example....in order win a NA seat, one has to play many games including supporting sworn enemies' candidates to cut the vote of toughest rival, basically one has to be cunning, smart, and willing to a lot of borderline illegal things to reach the parliament to enact laws for the entire country

This is our current system, and honestly I do not see it changing until actual land reforms are carried out to break the shackles of feudalism - till then.....lets all keep hopes and dreams alive!

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Other miscellaneous topics.........

1. Zulfiqar Khosa leaving PMLN is huge indicator; that his space is finished in PMLN;he waited in the wings till the right time, just in the hopes he will be reaching top position in PMLN; so Khosa is leaving it now, because he knows that Nawaz is done and with Shahbaz he has virtually no chance whatsoever due to issues with Shahbaz and his son who is Ex (interim) CM Punjab.

2. I do not know why media is now talking about Forward Block in PMLN; it's so 1988 and 1990's when Aslam Beg's were kingmakers and they had a target: Benazir Bhutto ......who is target now......No one!

No forward block of that sort, I had been saying this for quite sometime that existing PMLN will break in splinters: at least three off-shoots as of now (splinter, hijack and en bloc joining other party ), due to dynamics of the existing party composition coupled with electoral politics dynamics.

3. I am surprised there are many so called know all journalists have no idea about a huge action being discussed and planned for more than a month (have mentioned it over here as well), last resort action of dissolution of assemblies. I know most are stuck that March 18' is the red line; and come what may Nawaz will try to defer it; but in scheme of things it is very viable option for the pressure group to redeem itself.

4. NRO or whatever these analysts term is only done when something is offered in return, now the situation is that Nawaz is not in a position to offer anything to PTI, PPP, MQM, Army, Judiciary, and even Bureaucracy (especially when their promotions will be without intel reports now) - so in this situation what compromise, NRO, negotiation and with who?

5. PPP's non cooperation with Nawaz is also due to the fact that it now has an illusion that it can make a comeback capitalizing on fault lines within the current PMLN; they have to put up a strong posture / facade in the hopes that they can get some share in power. However, if Zardari gets sidelined; then a lot of interesting things can happen in elections too As all major players in Sindh (MQMP/PSP/PPP) are open to discussion for seat alignment / adjustment.....

Interesting times ahead.....for sure!

 

[dilwalag]

SO SHE'S TRYING TO COPY OF BENAZEER BHUTTO,

 

[Realistic Change]

SO SHE'S TRYING TO COPY OF BENAZEER BHUTTO,

For Maryam to become Benazir Bhutto she has to have the following:

1. End of Nawaz as that of ZA Bhutto
2. Fate of Hassan Nawaz as that of Shahnawaz Bhutto's
3. End of Hussain Nawaz as that of Murtaza Bhutto
4. Kulsoom's as of Begum Nusrat Bhutto
5. She already has Asif Zardari type in Caps Safdar (so she is set here)
6. Then......fate of hers as Benazir Bhutto's

I hope once she knows the "route" to become Benazir, she will shun it right away ......

 

[Zibago]

6. Then......fate of hers as Benazir Bhutto's

Kaho Inshallah

 

[Dil Pakistan]

For Maryam to become Benazir Bhutto she has to have the following:

1. End of Nawaz as that of ZA Bhutto
2. Fate of Hassan Nawaz as that of Shahnawaz Bhutto's
3. End of Hussain Nawaz as that of Murtaza Bhutto
4. Kulsoom's as of Begum Nusrat Bhutto
5. She already has Asif Zardari type in Caps Safdar (so she is set here)
6. Then......fate of hers as Benazir Bhutto's

I hope once she knows the "route" to become Benazir, she will shun it right away ......

NAAAA! ... Asif Zardari is much better than Safdar. At least Z has brains.

 

[Realistic Change]

NAAAA! ... Asif Zardari is much better than Safdar. At least Z has brains.

Lol - I agree on intelligence level of Zardari, had he the backing of Army, Bureaucracy and Judiciary he would have ruled Pakistan way more than Nawaz; however ........ I meant that both rose to whatever level they are today due to their respective wives' family name; and both proved to be Achilles heels of their respective political parties; had Maryam become as big of a leader as Benazir; the disservice levels of Safdar to PMLN would not be any less than that of Asif Zardari's to PPP

 

[Salik]

For Maryam to become Benazir Bhutto she has to have the following:

1. End of Nawaz as that of ZA Bhutto
2. Fate of Hassan Nawaz as that of Shahnawaz Bhutto's
3. End of Hussain Nawaz as that of Murtaza Bhutto
4. Kulsoom's as of Begum Nusrat Bhutto
5. She already has Asif Zardari type in Caps Safdar (so she is set here)
6. Then......fate of hers as Benazir Bhutto's

I hope once she knows the "route" to become Benazir, she will shun it right away ......

She can still become big leader if she starts thinking independently. If she sticks to her original statement that she doesn't have any property in Pakistan or abroad. She becomes sort of 'wada maaf gawah'.

In other words, she would be doing all acts mentioned above by herself, legally. Why not, it is real, real politics. But it's yet to see if she can, can go that path, with boldness and courage.

 

[litman]

i dont know why people here and media talk about BB. she was a corrupt leader who did nothing for the country. hypocrite of the highest order. wore shorts in UK and came to pak with a tasbeeh in her hand. just another stooge of the west . i am glad she is no more. one less traitor pakistani.

 

[Hyprion]

Suddenly BB became the best example of a female politician these days because of Maryam.
Have you all forgot that she did nothing to stop her husband's corruption ?
In her era of sindh govt, what positive change she brought in sindh ?
What was her accomplishments during her reign in sindh and in federal government?

State properties named after her but I have never heard of any "benazir hous" anywhere in Pakistan.

Only because she was assassinated, should we forget all her wronge doings or doing nothing against all the corruption where her own husband was involved ?
I find it hard to ignore these things and just accept her as " an examplary female polition"

 

[The Accountant]

Suddenly BB became the best example of a female politician these days because of Maryam.
Have you all forgot that she did nothing to stop her husband's corruption ?
In her era of sindh govt, what positive change she brought in sindh ?
What was her accomplishments during her reign in sindh and in federal government?

State properties named after her but I have never heard of any "benazir hous" anywhere in Pakistan.

Only because she was assassinated, should we forget all her wronge doings or doing nothing against all the corruption where her own husband was involved ?
I find it hard to ignore these things and just accept her as " an examplary female polition"

No actually the issue is right from the start till today quality of our politicians and leaders has declined so badly that in comparision we always that previous one were better ... We started with Quaid-e-Azam ... then we saw Ayub who was good adminitrator but poor leader ,,, then Bhutto who was a good leader but worst administrator and Pakistan is still paying the price of decisions taken by him ..

Similarly BB was a bad administrator a good leadership quality person but she was not directly involved in mega corruption or mega white color crimes ... Her corruption was limited to missuse of power and supporting her husband ...

Now we have a tussle between NS and Zardari one is phd in corporate and white color crime infact he might have invented some new techniques and other is phd in all types of illegal activities and crimes ...

In future we can see that MN ,,, who is trained by a doctor of white color crime and is rutheless like Zia ul Haq ... Whereas SS is phd in lies and making stories and his corruption due to limited exposure upto the level of Punjab gov ...

Now in comparision to these morons ,,, BB was way better ... So its all just comparative but in reality we have nor seen true leaders and administrator since decades ...

 

[QatariPrince]

 

[QatariPrince]

نیب کی جانب سےنگران جج کوپیشرفت رپورٹ جمع کرادی گئی
نیب پراسیکیوٹرزکوسیکیورٹی دینےسےمتعلق الگ رپورٹ جمع
نوازشریف سمیت تمام ملزمان پرعائدفرد جرم کی تفصیلات شامل
حسن اورحسین نوازکومفرورقراردیئےجانےسےبھی آگاہ کیاگیا
اسحاق ڈارکاخزانہ منجمدکرنےکی تفصیلات بھی رپورٹ کاحصہ
احتساب عدالت کےحکم نامےکو بھی رپورٹ کاحصہ بنایاگیا ہے
اسحاق ڈارکیخلاف اب تک ریکارڈہونےوالی شہادتوں کی تفصیل بھی شامل
نیب پراسیکیوٹرزاورعدالت کے حکم پرسیکیورٹی فراہم کی گئی،رپورٹ
نیب وکلاء،تفتیشی افسران کوپولیس اورایف سی کی سیکیورٹی دی گئی،رپورٹ
احتساب عدالت کےحکم پرنیب ٹیم کوسیکیورٹی فراہم کی گئی،رپورٹ
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[The Accountant]

نیب کی جانب سےنگران جج کوپیشرفت رپورٹ جمع کرادی گئی
نیب پراسیکیوٹرزکوسیکیورٹی دینےسےمتعلق الگ رپورٹ جمع
نوازشریف سمیت تمام ملزمان پرعائدفرد جرم کی تفصیلات شامل
حسن اورحسین نوازکومفرورقراردیئےجانےسےبھی آگاہ کیاگیا
اسحاق ڈارکاخزانہ منجمدکرنےکی تفصیلات بھی رپورٹ کاحصہ
احتساب عدالت کےحکم نامےکو بھی رپورٹ کاحصہ بنایاگیا ہے
اسحاق ڈارکیخلاف اب تک ریکارڈہونےوالی شہادتوں کی تفصیل بھی شامل
نیب پراسیکیوٹرزاورعدالت کے حکم پرسیکیورٹی فراہم کی گئی،رپورٹ
نیب وکلاء،تفتیشی افسران کوپولیس اورایف سی کی سیکیورٹی دی گئی،رپورٹ
احتساب عدالت کےحکم پرنیب ٹیم کوسیکیورٹی فراہم کی گئی،رپورٹ
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So slowly and gradually things are moving in the right direction ...

Unexpectedly the new Chairman NAB seems to be active person ... Whats the insider news on this? Is Sharjeel Memon incidence is a bargaining chip for Zardari or this chairman is really going after PPP ?

 

[Guvera]

So slowly and gradually things are moving in the right direction ...

Unexpectedly the new Chairman NAB seems to be active person ... Whats the insider news on this? Is Sharjeel Memon incidence is a bargaining chip for Zardari or this chairman is really going after PPP ?

It seems this Chairman is going after all high profile corruption cases as of now, very interesting time ahead.

 

[The Accountant]

It seems this Chairman is going after all high profile corruption cases as of now, very interesting time ahead.

Yes but we have to see what are the intentions, He could have anything in his mind; political leg pulling, increase the rate of bribery or real accountability ...

Although as per my understanding chances of the last option are next to zero but still I am asking from you guys if anyone has some other insider information?